NP5792 / NP5793 Update

Sorry I meant the 5793...

 

Ok, so here is what I don't understand. If the Santa Rosa T7700 2.4GHz w/4MB L2 Cache costs the same as the Penryn T9300 w/MB L2 Cache, why would you want a T7700?

No, Sager does not have anyone posting on the forum. The leave that to their resellers who have constant and direct contact with Sager.

 

Because I already ordered it and it shipped... So I am going to be happy with what I got and not stress over what is for me a marginal perf. increase. Ya know? - im sure the 2.4ghz santa rosa will get the job done.

Thanks.. jw.

 

Ooops! Sorry, I didn't understand...well I agree that it will be just fine.

 

See my post #42

"2. Once the firm pricing and ETA for the X processors is received from Intel the NP5793 will be "officially" released as a separate model."

The point is we don't know yet.

 

But hey Paladin, just outa curiosity, say someday I am like dang I do wanna upgrade to Penryn, is that possible with what i got?

 

Sure...your NP5792 will accept the Penryn T8xxx and T9xxx series.

 

Any chance that Sager will be supporting XP 64 bit? I know it is capable of installing on the 5792, one just has to search the internet for drivers. I'd be much more confortable if sager/clevo actually supported it.

 

No, Sager does not support XP 64bit. Most 32bit drivers will work, but you would be on your own for 64bit drivers.

 

When will you be offering 320GB HDDs?

 

We hope very soon, a Toshiba 320GB is being tested.

 

I sure hope the 5792 I ordered 2 days ago has the new rev motherboard and the improved heatsink. It has not shipped yet.

I also selected the T7700 proc, at the time of my order the T9300 was more expensive by a significant amount. As most games these days seem GPU limited, I doubt I'll notice the difference anyway.

 

Thank you Justin and Eleison. I'll await the final response from Sager

 

Only those that ship on or after January 14th and were ordered with the GeForce 8800M will have the NP5793 body and new thermal solution.

I would strongly recommend that you contact your reseller to make sure what you are getting.

 

OK, so my 2 suggestions are:
1. 320GB HDD;
2. A "smart" bay to use a secondary HDD. It's a 17" laptop with a single HDD, while the Alienware M9750 can take two + SLI and the M17x can take three. How about that Clevo?
The first one is not that important, since it's something worth around 200$ on the retail market.
Will you at least pass the second suggestion along? It would be a great improvement brought to this laptop.

 

I just got an email response from my seller, and he said I would be getting a 5793, and that they would be happy to change my order from the T7700 to a T9300, but it would add about a week delay to my ship date. I'm dying to have the machine as quickly as possible.

I'm now debating whether a week matters that much to me, when I can have a cooler and slightly better and faster CPU for the same price. I'm leaning towards the T9300. Also have to wonder whether the '1 extra week' estimate is accurate.

 

Sure...it is called the Sager NP9262

 

I already ordered a "smart" bay to use a secondary SATA HDD.

 

No seriousely. Even the 15` AlienWare has a smart bay,housing a 2nd drive...I hate having only 1 drive...I wonder if RAID would be possible on them...
Heck,the 320GB hdd will be veeeery expensive, but 2 160Gb hdds will be much less...and that`s what I would like.
I know I asked before, and Justin said there was no word about, but the 579x should be dual hdd capable, right?

 

doesnt look like it has the space. If it did I'd be one happy camper.

 

It doesn't.

 

Will the new NP5793 have dual HD's, and RAID 0 capability?

The only thing keeping me away from buying one is that I do not see anyone selling these with Quad Core, dual HD's and Raid 0, Dual 8800's and Vista Business 64 bit.

If these come out soon (1-2 months) please let me know.

 

No, the NP5793 does not and never will, but the Sager NP9262 has everything you are asking for plus you can also have 3 HDD's in RAID 0 or RAID 5.

 

In some past posts there were some questions on the upgrade package for the 5793. Sager has announced that the nVIDIA GeForce 8800M GTX Upgrade package will be delayed until Feb 1st, 2008

Due to short supply of nVIDIA GeForce 8800M GTX Cards, the 8800M GTX upgrade packages previously announced by Sager for NP579x have been pushed back by two weeks to Feb 1st, 2008.

With the announcement of Sager NP5793, while there are additional costs involved with the new bottom cover and processor heat-sink. Sager will be providing the new V5.0 or above motherboard with the new revised bottom case cover and processor heat-sink to Sager Brand users who selects the NP579x “Option 1: Full swap out package” at no additional cost to the customer. The package will remain at $899.00

Option 1: Full swap out package

• Price good between Feb 1st’08 through June 30th’08
• New nVIDIA® GeForce™ 8800M GTX w/512MB
• New Motherboard (V5.0 or above)
• New Extreme Edition approved bottom case cover
• New Extreme Edition approved Processor heat-sink
• Labor included
• $899.00 after instant $270.00 off for Sager Branded customers
• $1169.00 Non-Sager Branded systems

 

Justin Paladin, is it OK if you give us a rundown of the different m570ru based Sagers and there differences? THere was a request at the owners lounge and i wish to add it in the first post. Since i have only known clevo sager for like 3 months, I thought about asking you

 

Here are the specs for the Sager NP5790, NP5791, and the NP5792.

The NP5793 has the same specs as the NP5792 except that it will accept the overclockable (1x or 2x) Extreme processors once released, and it has the improved thermal solution as posted by Justin earlier.

 

Could we get a side view picture of the thicker side?

 

It isn't thicker as is demonstrated by the pictures in Justin's post #37

 

I know, I saw. But how does it look?

The left side?

 

Thanks Paladin, can you please make sure all the posted information is correct?

Thanks,
Hkman

 

Huh? Did you also see pictures in Justin's post #5 or are you just baiting me?

 

I did that when those pages were first posted. If anyone finds any mistakes please let me know and I will verify the information and update them if necessary.

 

Sorry, I guess I was misinterpreted.
Please post a pic of the side view from the side with the vents. Not a back view. That is all. I'll shut up now.

Dan

 

No, Sorry i meant the first post in the owners lounge, I added a section, so can you proofread it to make sure everything is correct?

 

Your specifications differences look good...although there may be someone out there that can correct us both on some minor issue, so I invite any comments that anyone might have.

However there is one sentence there that needs modification. "They give it to many distributors, original equipment manufacturers (OEMS), who many times change the laptops name."

This is wrong in two ways...one is I would change "give" which is obviously not accurate. The second is there are ONLY 3 OEMs in North America that import directly from Clevo. Sager is the largest, followed by Pro-Star and then Eurocom.

In no way are there any other OEMs in North America. While there are several RESELLERS that take the Clevo product and re-brand it, they are not OEM's and should not be considered as such. These RESELLERS buy their Clevo product from one of the 3 Clevo OEMs or other vendor that buys from the 3 Clevo OEMs. They do not deal with Clevo directly at all.

 

Changes made...

 

Good job...Thank you!

 

Who knows? Anyone got any good info? Notwithstanding that I (generally) took the position that NVidia was largely (51% or so) responsible for the 8800M baloney, it does seem that Clevo's engineers are a little too hyperfocused on putting out each little fire as it crops up, and never seem to step back far enough to see the forest for the trees (to start mix'n'match-ing metaphors ) and do a thorough revamp on their systems.

In particular, as I've read in other posts, there have been some long-standing problems with inadequate heat dissipation in the 5791 (I'll go find links if someone calls me on the carpet for 'em), so one would have thought that Clevo would already have had more than enough lead time to re-jigger the thermal envelopes on the 5791 chassis, and that the new X-processors would have been taken into account at that point in time.

While that is regrettable, and does mean that Clevo really isn't at the top of its game - it's not really a truly first-rate, world-class producer of cutting edge notebooks - Clevo nonetheless appears to be about the best we can find, and I have to say, having spent innumerable hours trying to pry very basic information loose from Sony, Dell, HP, and etc regarding the systems I have (Sony is absolutely the worst as far as I'm concerned ) - much of it information that can be had from Clevo almost without cavil (e.g., do you know what Sony's position is on upgrading the hdd in a PCG-Z1A? In a word "no" - which is b.s., and just meant that I had to spent a lot of wasted energy cadging a "service" manual off the internet - by comparison, Clevo gives you a well-written road map).

So, to get back to the original point - anyone got any solid info on what changes needed to be made, and why they weren't made earlier?

N.B. What follows can be ignored if you're already bored!

BTW, viz. Sony - I think I've discovered another unannounced Intel chipset code-name for the original Banias/centrino platforms - "Coopers" (or possibly "Cooperstown").

I've been trying to find my BIOS-ID (I finally dumped the BIOS) and make sense of it (not quite yet) - as a result of which I've found that, beginning at about the time the Banias/centrino platform was introduced (early '03), notebooks with Intel chipsets and Phoenix BIOS have a BIOS-ID that begins with the name of the Intel chipset; e.g., I've found examples of BIOS-IDs beginning with NAPA001.86C and SONOMA1.86C, and DMI BIOS ids starting HCNODEM01.86C - Odem being (supposedly) the original code-name for the chipset in the Banias/centrino platform.

However, the BIOS-ID in my pokey little Z1A starts COOPERS0.86C and I have found several other VAIO BIOS-IDs online that start the same way, as well as one example of a BIOS-ID from a Sager 5720-V (and you were beginning to wonder why this b.s. was in the Sager/Clevo forum ) and two from Samsung notebooks that also start with COOPERS0.86C.

Now, using the other BIOS-ID samples that clearly start with the name of the Intel chipset to which each particular ID belongs, I can only conclude that Intel originally intended to put the Banias/centrino platform together with a chipset code-named "Coopers" (which may perhaps have been a shortened version of, e.g., "Cooperstown," to keep in line with their one-time habit of code-naming after cities, which might have been shortened to "Coopers" to keep it within the 8-character size of the first BIOS-ID substring).

Unfortunately, I can't seem to find any references to a code-name of that sort, although that doesn't convince me that I',m wrong, because I also found an Intel document that referred to a "Winterpark" BIOS for one of their server platforms, even though that code-name doesn't appear in any of the Intel code-name compendia that are available online.

So, to wrap up my thoroughly irrelevant BTW, since we're all in an info-seeking mode, anyone ever hear anything about an Intel platform/chipset code-named "Coopers" or "Cooperstown" - or is this just another case of my totally missing the blazingly obvious?:confused2: (don't worry, go ahead and say it if that's the case, I'm used to it by now ).

However, if I'm not just being a pathetic loser (again), it would be interesting to see how many of the Sagers around here have BIOS-IDs that begin with an 8-character string that corresponds to the Intel chipset in that Sager. It's probably another one of Sony's little "proprietary" trade-secret mind-games, but I could not get a BIOS-ID in the usual manner, and instead stumbled across it while I was reading through a print-out of the BIOS dump I got through PC Wizard 2007 (PC Wiz 2008 can be d/l for free here: http://www.cpuid.com/pcwizard.php ). In my BIOS dump, I found the ID beginning at 000F3982 with the string "$IBIOSI$" (somethingh else I cannot find any references to, anyone know what it means?). Perhaps some of the wonderful, intelligent, gorgeous (ok, benefit of the doubt on that one ) Sager owners around here wouldn't mind checking their BIOS-IDs, and pm'ing them to me?

 

I am not sure, but could it be said that your point is "While the armchair quarterbacks can find all the flaws...show me any manufacturer who does a better job of staying at the edge of the envelope than Sager/Clevo"?

 

You are, sir, the soul of brevity as well as wit; that is, indeed, my basic point (thank-you for sharpening it ).

At the risk of getting singed a little, I sometimes think that Sager/Clevo owners get a little spoiled with all of the goodies Clevo hands out as compared to others. Someday in the not-too-distant future I too hope to get spoiled rotten!

 

We will be here to serve you whenever you are ready

 

methinks its too late for us already. =P i've come to the dark side and cannot go back to mainstream lappys. theyre so lame... =P

 

Thank you Justin. Kinda too bad non-Sager brand ed systems WILL have to pay more. Then again, Sager isn't a non-profit company, and $70 isn't all that much for such an upgrade
Coul you also mention the pricefor the X9000? Thanks again!

 

Just out of curiosity, what will ONLY a v5.x or above MB + the extreme casing+cooling cost for those who already have the 8800M-GTX??

 

I've dled PC Wizard 2008, but it reports my GFX as an 8800M. Now, I sure would wish that was true, but I'm prety sure I've got an 8700M (since in September, the 8800M wasn't even released yet ).
EDIT: in the seperate VIDEO section, it does report it correctly as an 8700M Just in the "System Sumary", it says it has an 8800M.

BIOS reports as follows (I've got the T7700):
EDIT2: PC Wizard 2008 reports it as being a T7800 in the CPU section and in the System Summary. Windows reports it as a T7700.

General Information :
Manufacturer : Phoenix
Version : SROSA001.86C.
Date : 03 juli 2007
Address : 0xE597 on 1024 KB
DMI Version : 2.4

Characteristics :
Flashable : Yes
Socketed : No

Functionality :
APM : No
ACPI : Yes
ESCD : Yes
PnP : Yes
PCI : Yes
ISA : Yes
AGP : Yes
USB : Yes
PCMCIA : Yes
Smart Battery : No

Boot Information :
Selectable Boot : No
CD-ROM Boot : Yes
PC Card (PCMCIA) Boot : No
I20 Boot : No
LS-120 Boot : No
1394 Boot : No
ATAPI ZIP Boot : No
Network Boot : No

 

I don't get it. Why can't there be a smart bay for this laptop? What's so hard to understand? It weights the same as the M9750 and that one can have SLI + 2HDDs. This can only hold half. Why can't there be an option for a second hdd inside? It's crippled. The 9262 isn't exactly a laptop and it's definitely not portable, so it's not a solution. What I will like to see is how Clevo can respond to the M17x. Sure, it doesn't have a desktop CPU, but it weights about 4 lbs less...
And a 320GB HDD is at the price of a Hitachi 200GB @ 7200RPM by the way.

 

When will RJTech and Eurocom release the NP5793?

 

Ever manufacturer has engineering problems. Clevo clearly is the builder of choice for many of the highest end laptops in the world: Voodoo, Widow, and up until recently, Alienware. Go browse Dell and HP forums and you'll find just as many people complaining about the problems with their machines.

And about the smart bay... have you seen how small and thing the 5792 is? First, clearly Clevo doesn't find such a feature as that important or popular, as none of it's chassis have the feature. Even in the laptops large enough for it, they simply include more HD bays. I'm sure there's a portion of the population that would find a proprietary bay system useful, but not many. Most people that want removeable storage use external hard drives. Then the drive can be useable on a desktop or other laptop. A "smart drive" bay system couldn't be plugged into your desktop. The application has very limited use.

All that being said, the 5792 is very thin and light for a laptop of it's size, and that's important to those buying it. Adding the docking hardware and bay itself would increase the weight and thickness of the front of the machine. If a "smart bay" is simply that important to you, buy an Alienware M17x. If you want 3 drives and SLI now, buy a Sager 9262, and get an external hard drive enclosure.

 

I believe the smart bay option is necessary for a 17" laptop, that is as big as one that can hold 2HDDs and SLI. I don't think you know what you're talking about when you talk about the smart bay. Lenovo & HP have them and I'm sure no one's complaining that you can't use it everywhere. I'm not necessary asking for a smart bay as much as I'm asking for someone to think and find a way to add another HDD to this laptop.
It's not really thin nor light and I believe that a single video card and two HDDs can fit in there somehow (even if through a smart bay). Clevo had a smart bay before. Why not now? They're pushing the D901C as the top of the class and the M57xRU as a crippled version. That's why I don't like this suggestion. That and the fact that it costs too much for me (mostly because I have to pay VAT to import it).
All I want is a single video card with two or three HDDs. And I don't necessarily want an Alienware M17x.
A smart bay comes in the DVD-RW's place, so it will not create any problem and it will not increase thickness in front of the machine. Even an ASUS V1S has it.
I don't understand why you're against it. If you don't want it you don't get it. It's plain simple.

 

If you really want a smartbay you can buy one from asia. Mein will come tonight, and i hope it works...