NP5792 / NP5793 Update

I don't understand. I thought there wasn't one for this laptop.

 

Here is the Pic of the smarybay, for SATA HDDs. I think it fits in all laptops with slim dvdrom. And M570ru has also a normal DVDrom, i think.

 

But is it for this laptop or it's a generic one?

 

does it work?

 

Why does everyone want a smartbay?? What is the main advantage? I just don't understand...

 

Having the possibility to use 2 HDDs in the same space without any downside besides a missing DVD-RW? You can put a HDD in the DVD-RW's place, it is something really good for me, because I don't use the optical drive at all and I need HDD space and can't import a D901C at a decent price and can't carry it around.

 

the smartbay only works if the bay in question has a particular connection to it.

In the case of the M570RU, I already check out its bay, theres only one connection for the standard optical drives... none for a HDD caddie.

Other notebooks that can do smart bays usually have two connections within the bay, one for optical drives, the other for the HDD caddie.

 

So the only real use for a smartbay is to be able to add an additional, almost hot-swappable, HDD?

 

Justin not sure if you mentioned this already, but will the extreme model for the 5793 be using a larger power supply?

 

xocomaox yes, that would be the idea. That's what other laptops have. Dells and Lenovo (and maybe others) also use the smart bay to add another battery for increased battery life.

 

I was being ironic when I made that comment, of course the specs and termal envelope of the extreme Penryn processors were known well in advance. It seems incredible to me, and very inneficient, to modify 5791 first for 8800, and have a new model, and then, not even a month later, to have another modification and yet another version. Makes Clevo look like a bit of a joke to be honest. It also creates problems for customers, for example, if there is a problem with 5792 and it needs servicing, will parts for it be available of will all the production be switched to 5793.

Having said all that, I bought a 5792 in the UK, with a x7900 processor, from Evesham. It is working perfectly. It is much, much faster than my previous notebook (a Dell M1710), in most games twice as fast. The main problem I have with it is that it is very loud, much louder than M1710 - and I am not talking about playing games, but just browsing the Web or doing some programming. It would be nice if we could control the fans like it is possible on 9260.

I would say 5790 is typical of a Chinese / Taiwanese product: good technology, but ordinary styling and no extra features that would make the laptop stand out. However, it is substantially cheaper than equivalent notebooks from more established manufacturers while providing same or better features, and that is why I bought it.

 

@darkoroje:

If Sager (or any Clevo OEM, I'm sure) comes to a point where they only have NP5793 parts during the NP5792's lifespan (e.g., the warranty period), they would simply make the decision to use the newer parts. Sager, at least, is very good about keeping parts for as long as they are needed (e.g., at the bare minimum, don't count on NP5792 parts disappearing from Sager's stock room until the last NP5792 3-year warranty has expired).

Keep in mind that the NP5793 and the NP5792 support all the same processors, too. The NP5793 simply adds in support for overclocking the Core 2 Extreme processors (and let's face it, there's no point in paying the markup for an extreme processor if you can't overclock it). There is a motherboard revision separating the NP5792 and NP5793, but all that revision adds is a BIOS-level overclocking control, so there is almost nothing lost by having an NP5792 instead of an NP5793 unless you really want to buy and overclock a Core 2 Extreme processor.

 

hmm... is it possible that someday the 579x could support a quadcore cpu? I'm a bit newb when it comes to cpu hardware, but can they make a quadcore penryn cpu, or would that be a completely different line of chips? I'd assume if a quadcore chip came out, it would probably need a motherboard upgrade (or perhaps a new bottom plate)... or is that just not possible?

 

Taiman89 you are talking about the future, and at this point no one knows the answers to your questions

 

ok, thanks anywho

 

Is the fan for the 5793 quieter at all? Or better yet, does it not turn on unless doing some extenuating tasks? Like say... off for internet surfing/taking notes but on for gaming? If the fan has been improved I'll probably get one over the m15x since it's already out and is 17" since I dont have much need for the flashy lights.

 

Since there have not been any Sager NP5793 models shipped yet no one can answer your questions from experience at this time.

However if you look at the pictures of the new bottom case ( here and here), and the much larger heat pipes one could speculate that the fans will not have to come on nearly as much...unless you are running an overclocked Extreme processor.

 

the possibility that it it will be quieter makes me happy. =]

 

Im off to Atlanta 1/3 to visit a friend and curious about the Sager. Customized it at http://www.xoticpc.com/ with theese specs. Please give me some advice, its my first laptop.

1. 17 WSXGA 1680*1050. (Im on a budget, do i really need 1920*1200? please post a few words about the Sager displays. its pretty unknown in Sweden)

2. Arctic silver....

3. Standard dead pixel....

4. Penryn core 8300 2,4ghz 3 mb (good choise? no need for a extremely fast processor)

5. 8800gtx

6. 4096mb (only 100 dollar, offer you cant refuse?)

7. Panasonic Blueray (good buy? for htpc use)

8. 80 gb hdd 5400rpm (is it easy to upgrade the hd by myself or should i let xotic do it?)

= 2596 $

Thanks! ps. excuse my english

 

Maedi, get a bigger and faster hard drive. 5400rpm is good for conserving battery and wasting plenty of your time. A 7200 rpm drive (I'd suggest 120gb or larger) will boot, and do everything in windows MUCH faster. When purchasing this powerful a machine, having that big a bottleneck will make your system seem much slower than it is.

Everything else looks great.

 

Actually, a faster HD will only improve load times.
For gaming, it isn't anything faster whatsoever. It just drains your battery faster.
Something I've learned from being on this board: a 250GB 5400 is about as fast as a smaller 7200, because of the higher density.

As for the screen: if you want to view HD on the laptop screen): get the 1920x1200, if you have a lot ofwindows open at the same time: get the 1920x1200. For gaming, the 1680x1050 should be just as good

 

Yah, unfortunately I've also found that for some things I can get almost as many answers as utilities I use - in particular, a utility that pulls its info from DMI will often show erroneous info because, from what I can gather, the OEMs tend to be rather lax about making sure all of the DMI info is correct.

In terms of IDing your processor, I would probably check with Intel's processor identification utility (d/l for free on Intel's website here: http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=N&ProductID=1881&DwnldID=7838 ).

What I do find interesting is that PC Wiz was able to find your BIOS-ID, or at least part of it (your post shows a BIOS-ID of SROSA001.86C., which is not the complete id; following the "86C" there should be three more sets of digits, probably in the following format: wwww.A.xxxxxxyyyy, where the lower case digits are numeric and the upper case a letter (or possibly a letter/numeral combination). This part of the id posted clearly shows that you have the Santa Rosa chipset and, I believe, that the BIOS was originally written for Intel (from what I've learned, "86C" is an OEM identifier that corresponds to Intel). The remaining part of the BIOS-ID should show the following: (i) the four-digit group is a version number, (ii) the alpha character (or alphanumeric characters) should be a platform type/revision indicator (originally, "D" stood for an Intel server BIOS, but I doubt if it still does), and (iii) the final set of digits will show the date of the BIOS, in the format yymmdd, and the time of the BIOS in the form hhmm.

So, that appears to confirm my guess that the first 8 digits of the BIOS-ID indentify the Intel platform used.

 

Interesting.

I have the notebook below in my signature ( Zieo NX680) and it includes the Xtreme X7900. I have options in my BIOS for overclocking just like the ones described here.

"Over 1x" and "Over 2x".

I must admit im slightly concerned that it needs a "new" motherboard revision to support the xtreme, as im pretty sure the version i have is not this new revision.

 

It could be that Evesham has the tools to build a custom BIOS. The NP5792 motherboard will not have the overclocking in the BIOS. Only the NP5793 will. If your notebook gives you overclocking options, it's entirely possible that some BIOS customization was done by Evesham and their distributor, but you may want to check the motherboard version. If you have a v4.x motherboard, then Evesham has made some modifications to allow for overclocking where Clevo does not. If you have a v5.x, then Evesham somehow got their hands on the NP5793 motherboards before other resellers.

 

Don't suppose there is anyway to check without opening it up? XD

 

Not as far as I know...your BIOS revision might tell us something, but the quickest way to check is to look for the mark on the motherboard itself.

 

Try downloading and running a utility like PC Wizard (at www.cpuid.com) or everest (at www.lavalys.com) - since Clevo isn't as fetishistic about its "proprietary" info as $ony is, you may be able to get data on the name and version of your motherboard.

 

If you want to take advantage of your Blueray to watch HD movies on the laptop, you will probably want to go with the 1920*1200 display. I tend to be conservative about letting the HD DVD situation resolve itself before springing for a drive. I would definitely say if you are economizing on the machine's cost by saving $145 on the display you should seriously think about saving the $495 on the optical drive. Especially if you are looking at needing to economize now, but possibly being able to upgrade later, replacing the optical drive later is a much easier propostion than replacing the display.
I'd be inclined to bump the processor up to the T9300 for the 6MB L2 cache. For $85 more I think it's well worth it.
I would concur with the other advice that you will absolutely want a bigger hard drive. You could get one yourself and replace the 80GB drive. Physically replacing the hard drive is pretty straighforward, but keep in mind that the single hard drive is your boot drive. Be sure to factor the time and effort of reloading the drivers and OS into your cost calculations if you're not the sort of person who does that kind of thing for the sheer fun of it I don't have the expertise to comment on the 5400 rpm vs 7200 rpm argument, but I imagine you could find threads on this board devoted entirely to that topic.
My recommendation (admittedly influenced by my priorities, which you may not share) would be drop the Blueray drive (-$495), upgrade the display
(+$145), upgrade the processor to T9300 (+$85), and upgrade the hard drive to 250GB 5400 rpm drive (+$100) for a net price $165 less than you currently have spec'ed.

 

Here's the link to the drive speed thread:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=59053

And as long as I'm at it, here's the HD DVD vs Blueray thread:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=122086

 

My little toys have finally come incl. the "smartbay for SATA HDD"

 

I tried that one, and (as I expected) it's a T7700 @ 2,4GHz

Glad I could be of assistance

 

I also find the x1 x2 options with my X9000, but it just doesnot work. I have still a old MB Rev 4.x. Maybe only the 5.x can aktivate the BIOS OC.....
And i guess this option will be only seen when u have a Xtreme CPU installed. With the same BIOS i cannot find that with T7100.....

 

Finally Got It!!

the COOPERS0.86C BIOS-ID belongs to an Intel board code-named "Cooperspur" which appears to have been the initial reference board(s) Intel provided to ODMs/OEMs for the first production runs of the Banias/Odem Centrino platform. The only discussion of any sort I can find that references Cooperspur (and has a photo of a reference board clearly showing the Cooperspur name is here: http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cach...f+BIOS-ID+Cooperspur&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us (I used the cached version b/c the website itself wants a login before it'll show content). Other than that, there is a pdf of some Intel presentation slides, available at http://www.eeplace.com/event/INL030909M/res/Intel030909_Slides_Eng.pdf , that make one small reference to "Cooperspur" on page 10, where it refers to the "Cooperspur customer reference board."

Ok; now that that's done, I'll stop the BIOS-babble here and go find a proper forum to run my mouth off in for that topic. Thanks for everyone's patience.

 

Well.... just tried mine on "Over 1x" and booted up, opened up CPU-Z and it was running at 3Ghz (15x) instead of 2.8 so it definatly does something for me.

 

Can u post a CPUZ Screen of that?

 

You don't trust me? :cry:



I checked out some of the extra info and it seems this BIOS is modified by Evesham, well it has their stamp on it at least.

MANUFACTURER: Phoenix
NAME: BIOS Revision: 1.00.07E
SERIALNUMBER: Not Applicable
VERSION: evesha - 6040000
BIOS VERSION: SROSA001.86C.
BIOS RELEASE DATE: 11/23/2007

 

Thanks for the pic RobHague, i only want to see where r the different, hehe
PS: have u received my pm?

 

hmm... i spent more time trying to decipher that wallpaper image.

 

I have the same machine as Rob and I can confirm that overclocking (using the BIOS) does work and does increase the CPU operating frequency.

 

lol, looks like ass to me

 

Definitely relevant, but good point!

 

It's Kelly Brook (skins.be).

 

It's an ass...it could be anyone as far as I'm concerned. The name is definitely irrelevant here .

 

Is the NP5793, the extreme edition, THE new model from clevo? Or was it actually only intended to be sold with the extreme CPU's (from clevo's point of view)? Or is the casing/cooling an extra that is meant for the extreme CPU's and the motherboard V5.0 is for all future models? I'm askig because it is listed on the xoticpc site as a free upgrade now, but not as a new model.

 

Until the NP5793 is officially released, which will only be after the X9000 processor becomes available, anyone ordering the NP5792 with the GeForce 8800M GTX will get the new NP5793 case as a free upgrade.

Once the NP5793 is released it will be available with all current Penryn processors.

 

I see Any indication about the X9000 release time?
(I only find the January 6th as ETA for the penryn processors..)

 

Intel has not provided a ETA

 

Thanks for the BIOS darkoroje, but i still didn´t succeed with it. Still not work....

After the flash i can´t get the same info like rob:
MANUFACTURER: Phoenix
NAME: BIOS Revision: 1.00.07 E
SERIALNUMBER: Not Applicable
VERSION: evesha - 6040000
BIOS VERSION: SROSA001.86C.
BIOS RELEASE DATE: 11/23/2007

and mein is:
MANUFACTURER: Phoenix
NAME: BIOS Revision: 1.00.07
SERIALNUMBER: Not Applicable
VERSION: MStest - 6040000
BIOS VERSION: SROSA001.86C.
BIOS RELEASE DATE: 11/23/2007

I don´t know how to do a correct flash.....Maybe the MB of yours has been modded by Evesham, too.

 

Don't know about the motherboard, but the flash obviously did not succeed. As far as I know Clevo does not provide an official flash application.