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So, TipTip, how long have you been working at PCMW, and why have you not had the good grace to identify yourself as such, and add something substantive to the forum conversation?

 

ah, good, then i was not stupid to think that too. thanks for speaking up shyster instead of me.

 

Hello both Shyster + Heliosvector,

I don't work for anybody, I live in UAE. I just got amazed about the prices and said I should share it with you guys. If your not happy, then go buy from powernootbooks or xotic pc. I have no doughs about it.

NB: If I see xotic pc selling the new laptop, I will be the first person posting for others to know.Check gateway forum too, I have [posted several threads there and wrote a thread about a great sale by bestbuy, so AM I WORKING FOR BESTBUY TOO !!!

TipTip

 

Assuming, arguendo, that you're being truthful, I believe that there's a separate forum for buying/selling/advertising notebooks - please post your wares there; this forum is for substantive discussion, not some sort of ersatz freebie electronic advertising flyer from the UAE.

And, for the record, I'll put it all out there and the mods can slap me down if they want to - I've read through all of your posts, just on this thread alone, and I don't believe that you are who you claim to be, or that you're acting purely out of uninterested altruism, in short, sir, I believe that you are prevaricating.

 

Shyster1

Nice to discuss things with you, PROVE what you said about me!
Actually its kind from me that I am discussing that issue with you,
and if what you said about my thread is true, then tell mods to move it ^_^

It is better for you to continue celebrating USA independance ^_^

TipTip

 

OOOO! he is a ****y one he is.

 

God, you're starting to make me feel bad about my decision now.....

@tiptip
So how about some actual info on HOW to achieve this 100 dollar discount. Its not mentioned on their site.

 

Don't worry man. This is a Sager lovers forum, hence the name SAGER and Clevo. The apparent bias oozes from their veins. However, you're in good hands.

Call in on monday about the student discount partner, then send them a scanned copy of your student ID, they will just deduct it from the cost.

 

Actually, Deathwinger, the components of goodwill consist of more than just whether or not, at the end of the day, a system is, or is not, delivered, and of more than just the price, and whether, or not, a secret discount is provided to those who "know" to ask for it.

That is a basic tenet of business, and so goes far, far beyond any discussion of whether someone is a fan of Sager or a fan of PCMW; you do yourself a disservice by not acknowledging that fact.

@sunjunge9: I didn't intend to make you feel bad about your decision; if you've evaluated everything and still think it's a good deal, then I can't dissuade you from it. At the end of the day, I think that you will ultimately get the system you've bargained for, I just don't think you'll get it as quickly as has been promised.

 

Everyone is talking about a $100 student discount. I am assuming this is from PCMW? I got a $20 student discount from PowerNotebooks.

 

Fanboys will be fanboys.

Let's wait 2 weeks to see what REAL pricing is when Sager releases theirs at the proper launch date...instead of letting PCMW create horribly inflated pricing from which they offer these huge "discounts".

We have already established, repeatedly, that PCMW is in total violation of Clevo, Intel and nVIDIA policy by advertising and taking orders for as yet to be launched products. This of course gives them an open field to deceive, simply because no one else...that is NO ONE else...is so blatantly violating launch policy , so there is no one else with whom you can compare their pricing.

Why is it the PCMW is the only one in the North American market, including all of the multinational brands, that is advertising and taking orders for the new Intel platform? Simple answer...because they are the only cheaters out there, and therefore they are the only one to have published pricing.

So, what if a new car dealer all of a sudden starts advertising a new high end performance car model months before its launch, and tells you they are having the "sale of a lifetime" with $15,000 off, and another $5,000 if you are a student...and that they are going to be able to deliver before anyone else in the world...but there is no other car dealer with which you can compare pricing and it is well advertised that the launch date for this new model is still months away? All the other car dealers are waiting for the proper launch date. Are you going to fall for it and give the car dealer your money months before the launch date before you can compare pricing to anyone other than your "sale of a lifetime" dealer, simply based on that dealer's promise that they will match anyone else's price for 60 or 90 days?

How about a car dealer that tells you that in a year or two, when an even newer and faster engine is available for that car, you can come back and trade your used engine in for the new one, getting most of your money back on the old one, and paying some undefined price other than "near or below wholesale" for the new one.

What would you think about this car dealer if they told you, in very believable conversation, that they weren't making any more than $50...or maybe even losing money on the sale? Does that give you confidence that they will be around later when you need them to honor their warranty, or their "trade-in" policy?

I guess it is pretty clear that there are always some that will fall for these kind of deceptive tactics, and totally ignore the possibility...no, probability...that they will be gone when you come back for warranty repair or to trade in your old, obsolete component.

However most people with even a modicum of maturity and life experience will be wise enough to see right through the attempted deceit. They have learned, maybe the hard way once or twice, that when it seems to be too good to be true, it almost always is.

There is yet another old adage that you cannot Con an honest person. It is only the greedy who are looking for the quick and easy deal that is too good to be true that attract the Con Artist.

 

I go out for 2 days and PCMW is at it again?
LOL. These guys just won`t quit!

 

See what happens when you move out to the sticks!

 

Yes, I agree, let's wait and see. However, for a company that was been there since 2002, I don't think they'd be out of order soon. For I might as well say the same thing for Powernotebooks.

Because we all know that you listen attentively to customer concerns. But I must ask, what is your stance on a group buy from dissonant pre order customers from PCMW? As far as I can tell, I have not heard a peep from you guys about such a situation. However, PCMW has been offering them many reasons to stay on board.

Slander can only get so far.

 

With all due respect, that's a pretty serious accusation (and, moreover, if you're in a technical pleading jurisdiction, would be libel, not slander, since it's written and published, not spoken ); some examples of such perfidious behaviour would be nice.

 

deathwinger, what real evidence do you have that they have been there since 2002?

In previous posts I have pointed out that the earliest evidence of their existence is 2006 according to the State of California, their website registration, and any of the very limited feedback at http://www.resellerratings.com/store/PC_MicroWorks_Corporation

Further, it is not defamation, either slander, or as Shyster1 accurately points out libel, when what I say is TRUE. It is not defamation to truthfully point out the lies of another.

 

I totally understand your logic and reasoning as it closely mirrors by own doubt on PCMW and whether to purchase or not. However, the resellerrattings link you provided showed that they did have some good customer satisfaction to back up their cheap prices.

 

paladin44 + XotiC:

Just one question to you bud since you are posting in this thread a lot - maybe you'll actually respond to this post. Why not do a group buy of the M860TU? I mean honestly. I've asked you and at least 5 others have asked both you and justin in at least two other threads about this and nobody ever responds to the posts. You guys just answer the posts you want to answer. We at least just want your position on it - that's all -even if you don't want to do it just give us the courtesy of knowing what your position is.

Thanks.

 

Truth is a defense to a defamation claim.

 

i agree. how about it paladin or justin? hey, since you said that pcmw are breaking the rules, then why are they still getting the parts then from intel,clevo and Nvidia? or are they?

 

They cant say they will or will not do a group buy or release information on that right now cause they are not allowed to take orders right now at all for the product until intel gives them them OK

 

I don't buy that.

Both of them have said they will be selling the product. The only question is whether they are willing to sell it in a group buy format. The question relates to procedure and does not ask them to release any more information than they already have.

You know what...Just forget it. I don't want to request a group buy from people that don't acknowledge this question. I mean at least PCMW is responding to my questions (even though they may be lies - at least they are talking to us). But to be blatantly unanswered...that's another issue. And you can't say that you haven't seen the question posed - we know that's not true.

 

17 ratings beginning in February of 2007.

The point is they say they have been in business since 2002, so why so few ratings, and only beginning in 2-07?

Why does the California Secretary of State show their incorporation in 2006 and their website was first registered in 2006?

You know, the problem is when you catch someone in one lie, how do you know when they are telling the truth and when they are not. In this case there have been not only several lies, but also a demonstrated willingness to do what no one else is willing to do...that is break Clevo, Intel and nVIDIA policy about advertising and taking orders for a yet to be launched product...where is the integrity?

 

he did it again!

 

Look honestly, paladin is right in terms of the deceit and shady tactics that PCMW are pulling. But you know what? I could care less if I'm getting the best price on this notebook. It's not like they won't ship me the notebook. You bring up a good point regarding PCMW not being around a couple of years down the line which is a good possibility....but if you don't get their warranty then it doesn't matter. Yeah I don't know anyone else's prices but I HIGHLY doubt that I can get all the hardware I got for 2k with xoticpc or powernotebooks.com. Yes I'm assuming but honestly, I'm confident to bet that PCMW offered me the best deal on the notebook. I don't believe in these stupid sales because of the inflated prices but what I do like is when they took an additional $400 off when I called and gave me free stuff.Did they do some shady **** to give me that deal? Yeah they did, they're attracting customers to get our business which is fine as long as I get the best deal. Are they a really reputable company? Definitely not up there with xoticpc or powernotebooks but again it's about the price for me.

 

Yes but answering that may still be a violation of their NDA so why not ask them when it is released?

 

That's still more BS. <-- I respectfully disagree.

 

Then we all agree to disagree and be done with it until this laptop ships already?

 

I agree. That's my plan too. I got the notebook in my sig for 1850 (1700 if you discount the 9800gtx) - beat that. Oh, what? You can't?

What some people are doing is banding up together against PCMW and pointing out all their flaws because they can't match their pricing.

 

who is banding up? and who cannot match their pricing? unless you mean that they dont want to go into violation of the NDA, then yes, they cant match their prices in this moment in time.

 

Exactly, they're trying to make THEIR company stand out by bashing PCMW and I can definitely understand why, I have no problem with it. But don't try to downplay some of the great deals that some of us are getting just because you know you can't match them. Notice how they always talk about PCMW's business practices and never about the prices that some of us are getting.

 

I'm not asking them to price match right now - i'm saying that their ability to price match may be a factual impossibility at time of release. No offense to resellers here. Not saying that it is a bad thing that they can't price match, just that they are not able to do it. Just because they are not able to do it doesn't make it a bad thing. We'll still root for you guys!

I mean - look around guys. why are so many jobs being outsourced to other countries? Families are going very poor because of their inability to get manufacturing jobs and the like....Dell+HP+other notebook manufacturers outsourced their calling centers to india! Free trade dominates and everybody cares about the bottom line.

Bottom line is - price rules the marketplace. You guys are great on some aspects of support but the fact of the matter is that PCMW is cheaper. They just are. So people will go with them. Like them or hate them or make excuses why they shouldn't - it's reality

 

Sorry for being completely off topic and perhaps even a bit rude, but I have to say that following the numerous "discussions" about this computer is like the computer nerd Oprah Winfrey show. Soap opera has never been this exciting.

 

doesn't xotic or powernotebooks offer price matches as well?
if pcmw still ends up having a lower price at official launch, can't we get pcmw low prices with xotic/pnb service?

also, im curious why pnb can't comment on the group buy. it seems pretty obvious your avoiding it now. you've been straight with us this whole time. why not a simple yes or maybe or no?

edit:
did anyone else notice that on their homepage, they say that they guarantee we won't find a better price for at least 3 months? but on the edge config page, they state, "We guarantee you the lowest price on all pre-orders for at least 2 months" strange hm..

 

since they really seem to be avoiding it quite a bit, i bet they are not allowed to say anything untill the 14th.

also, I think it is very insulting for you to be saying that they are bashing pcmw.

Perhaps you dont remember, but they were saying ALL of this before back in may!!!
Even i went against them (the resellers on here) and booked a pcmw edge laptop. it is now almost 3 weeks since the orriginal expected release date that pcmw gave (june 14th) and they still have not even recieved the parts let alone ship anything.

since they are going against all of these NDA's, they will recieve a fine for doing this. This makes them more susceptible to going bankrupt in the future, thus not being there to uphold their warranties.

all they say is true. you may not like it, but you cant change it.

edit: i have canceled my order with them by the way (took 2 weeks to get my money back) and will buy from someone who doesnt lie like a county council official.

 

THey put the 3 months thingy up there a month ago... so 3-1=2

 

Here is some reality for you...Service, not price, drives the marketplace. Only those who are shortsighted put price ahead of everything.

Here is some more reality for you...PCMW is cheaper compared to what? Since there are no other published prices out there, what is it cheaper than (other than itself)?

And one last little touch of reality...by definition, at this point when pricing has yet to be released, PCMW is the most expensive.

Now, please understand that all of my comments exposing PCMW are not intended to persuade any PCMW customers away from them...those people have already heard the Pied Piper...I am only trying to protect those who are not yet under the spell.

 

Eh? how did you get that for 1700? I did a the base config with is the same that you got but without 9800 and HDD, and it was 1900.... And the discount was about the same as labor day.... weird.

@ paladin
I don't know how serious breaking these rules are as I don't work in your industry and these are all outside observations.... but if this was so major, how are they still able to sell laptops such as the blackhawk which is the 9262?

 

The point is the Blackhawk is not the Sager NP9262...it is a Clevo D901C that they buy from Eurocom.

Have you noticed that Eurocom is always claiming ship dates earlier than everyone else...but then never meeting those dates? They will also advertise a product early, guessing at what components might be certified by Clevo.

It's kind of like the acorn doesn't fall far from the oak.

It's only a couple more weeks until the real pricing comes out...then let's see what is going on...and who ships what first.

 

thats true... but thats what happens when too many people sale the same products, they have to find ways to be more attractive then the rest. But in the end, the customer wins! yay! lol.

 

Explain that to the thousands of americans losing their jobs to other countries. Go ahead and try. Tell them the entire world is shortsighted. I agree service is important. They have been very courteous to me on the phone (PCMW) and they reseller ratings are quite high. But to make a statement that service and not price drives the marketplace is simply innacurate.

Cheaper than both eurocom and mycizmo. And when it comes out - I BET YOU the price I got for my system would be cheaper than yours! Hell, if you were as cheap as PCMW i'd go with your company in a heart beat!

Frankly - I don't care about release dates, care about price. Price is important. PCMW has great reseller ratings - just because of issues with this release doesn't make them an overall horrible company. So what if they botched the release date? If protecting people who are not under their spell means spending more than 1700 on my config (minus the 9800gtx) then frankly you're doing people a disservice.

Honestly Donald - I mean you and your company no disrespect (I may even order from you in the future) but 1) you refuse to answer our question about a group buy (you just needed to say if it was a possibility and 2) your constant, constant criticisms of this company (PCMW) - let it be man.

 

PCMW offered me a free upgrade to the 320GB drive because of the issues we've been having + free 5 year LowJack. They have also offered other people with pre-orders other goodies for waiting and inconveniences. Plus the 100 off for student discount. I personally got 400 worth of stuff on TOP of the 500 I got memorial day. I personally know others on this board that have gotten even BIGGER goodies for the inconvenience.

Frankly - this is another point why people should stick to PCMW - they have attempted to make amends! So any PCMW bashing is MOOT.

 

Ah, I see. So I guess I should pre order early so I can cash in on these goodies. lol. So were these for stuff like the false ship date?

 

One simple question: do you think any companies will try to make negative profits? especially on their brand new product while you are just a random first-time buyer to them? With current pricing, Voodoo can do "buy one get one free" if they want to.

 

You wont get any "Free upgrades" since you weren't part of the inital batch of people who purchased. Since its only 2 weeks left you will be stuck with the price it isnow.

 

As far as I am concerned Paladin, PCMW has done enough for its consumers to forgive an error in release date. It's water under the bridge.

They are holding back on releasing until the date they are supposed to, they have taken off the options of the Nvidia cards until they are released or if ATI comes better.

As far as I am concerned, unless they give me a laptop before the Intel set date of release with an Nvidia card that is not supposed to be released yet AFTER they have been forewarned properly by INTEL and NVIDIA and not some guy who works at home (who should have had the decency to give them a call and ask them what the heck is going on before calling INTEL about it, talk about dog tactics) THEN and only THEN could you talk bad about the company. But as of now, they are complying and they are compensating us VERY WELL!

It's time to end this slander on whenever someone posts a question about the EDGE laptop, the first response to say 'Well, they are a company that lies and deceits and they may go under soon', they didn't ask you that!

Peace!

 

you know, he never talked bad about it. he just told the truth so far. if you think his truth is sour, then eat it with a spoon of sugar. It will have to go down one way or another.
OMFG!!! so much hassle over one insignificant laptop.

If you want to buy from a company that promiseda shipment 3 weeks ago when we continuously told them the delay was in place and they gave us that customs BS EVERY week to keep us happy, promised absolutely that we would get a 9800mgtx in the system allong with our quad core and 1300mhz ram (its 1066 not 1300)

fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice,shame on me. I dont know what you would say for the rest of the times.

I really see the enticement of pcmw's price tag (as you may remember i had it payed for and everything a few weeks ago) but do you really want to trust a company to uphold the warranty on one of the most expensive pieces of kit that you may buy for a long time that lies through their teeth so much? (since service seems to be soooo important here)

If you think paladin is ranting against pcmw in any way, dont you think he has the right to? Immagine you had your own run business and you decided to be a good vendor and follow the rules like a good little boy. Then you see a company in the same line of business saying "hey! screw the rules! lets do it our way!"

That is pretty condencending. You all get pissed off when paladin starts "talking badly" about pcmw, but you think that its ok for them to break the rules and destroy the livelyhoods of other companies? how patronising.

I really think the other resellers should band up together as one person wrote and have a go at intel then if pcmw get the system without any hassle. what they are doing is cheap (pun intended) and low.

 

Goodness gracious, I go away for a few hours and everything blows up (again)!

On the first point, I quite agree with you that price is generally the ultimate arbiter, but I would posit that "price" cannot be considered in a vacuum, merely as an abstract concept - fundamentally, the question always is, for any given price, what am I getting in return for paying that price? That, I would urge, is where services come in, because one is almost always paying for both a physical object - the computer, for example - as well as for service - at the very least, the service of arranging for timely delivery according to the bargained-upon schedule.

I take that there is no disagreement with the simple statement that, if Company A and Company B both offered to sell you the M570TU for $1,500 as the total bottom line price, but the people at Company A were all surly, yelled at the customers without provocation, and were routinely at least 1 week late in getting systems handed over to the USPS for delivery, whereas the people at Company B were always very polite and pleasant to talk to, never yelled, even when provoked, and were routinely 1 or 2 days ahead of the agreed-upon delivery schedule, that we would all do business with Company B and not with Company A. Any disagreement?

Now, the question is why? The answer, I would suggest, is that the level of service at Company B is an added aspect of what you're paying that $1,500 for, and on a very basic cost/benefit analysis, you're getting more for your money from Company B than from Company A solely on account of the level of service provided by Company B.

On the subject of Americans losing jobs to foreign countries - that's a much bigger, much more complex can of worms than you seem to imagine, and worthy of its own thread, at least, if not its own forum. In summary, though (because I just cannot resist), on the topic of call-centers, a number of companies have been onshoring the very same call-center services they offshored to places like India not so long ago because they're finding that the level of service provided drops off so precipitously that it affects their bottom line. Thus, service is, in fact, bringing jobs back onshore, and is not a mere irrelevance.

Other than that, to the extent the US is losing significant jobs to overseas, it is frequently because we have priced ourselves out of the relevant market. A really, really good example of this is the travesty of the Columbia free trade agreement, the only effect of which would be to allow US companies (and hence US workers) to compete more effectively for the Columbian market, and would not give any extra breaks to Columbian workers because, guess what, almost all goods produced in Columbia already come into the US tax-free, whereas US goods going into Columbia face stiff tariffs that the free trade agreement was supposed to get rid of. However, Nancy Pelosi, aided and abetted by certain labor leaders (who really should be strung up by their rank-and-file for incompetence bordering on fraud) has put the kibosh on the whole thing, thereby guaranteeing that US companies and US workers will not be able to compete effectively in the Columbian market. The only good reason I can find for this is that Nancy Pelosi (and possibly the other democrats who went along with her charade) must be taking money from Hugo Chavez, because he's the only person who stands to gain from throwing a monkey-wrench into the trading relationship between the US and Columbia. Nonetheless, that is a perfect example of how intentional policy choices by our leaders, leaders who claim that, contra Pres. Bush, they really do care about ordinary working Americans, are the principle force pushing US jobs overseas.

As I said, it's a much, much bigger can of worms than I think you really want to get into here.

Ultimately, everyone's choice of what they'll willing to forego for a particular price level is personal and subjective - that's why free markets will always beat centrally planned markets every time; however, your attitude does remind me of one more platitude, penny wise/pound foolish - the issue is not just the total number of dollars you're being asked to fork over, but the sum total of goods and services, and level of certainty or uncertainty, that you're receiving in return for that price.

 

I honestly just hope this laptop is as good as we're making it out to be. HONESTLY.

 

So do I my friend, so do I. It would be a real shame to have gone through all this ruckus and not have the object thereof live up to that ruckus.