NP5796(M570TU) available NOW at PCMW with ($450 instant rebate) & $550 instant rebate on the EDGE

Well I'm getting the 5796, not the 15 incher that he got. So if I get some delay, I better be compensated. lol.

And yes, this is a BIG deal for me, and many others as its going to "contain my life" for the next few years as I write countless papers for profs, take notes, and the "occasional" game at school.

 

Well since this is the first batch there is a good chance that you might be delayed a little because of back orders so be sure to order it asap.

 

hehehehe, yep, and if I do get delayed I expect compensation based on the high expectations from previous delay results. But yeah, I'm posting an order when I give them a call on monday about the discounts and stuff.

 

DRTH dude you nailed it. And yes -- price, not service, drives the marketplace. Like I said before, I really don't care that Donald tries to expose PCMW but what I do have a problem with is just constant criticism without offering a better alternative. What are you offering Donald? Better service? That doesn't matter to a lot of people. I know for damn sure you ain't offering better prices...I know you're gonna ask me how I know that when no other companies have released prices yet but I seriously challenge you to beat my deal with PCMW when you release the M860TU because I guarantee you that you won't be able to. And again, I'll take PCMWs lies and delayed release date over a good reputable company that will charge me more for service that I don't care for.

 

now that is a statement, only an utter genious could make LOL!

 

Same for me here


And seriously people, stop ranting about how Donald is bashing PCMW. He isn't. He has done nothing but cold and rational observations, and told nothing but the truth.
If it's the truth you can't take, grow up.
If you disagree with Donald, if you don't care about service and honesty, then fine, do what you please. But don't blame other people for stating the obvious and showing the downsides of your way of thinking. Not a very adult way of acting.

 

Well, duh, if I don't want a particular service, or good, then there's no sense in paying for it, is there? But that's changing the goal-posts, then, so it's beside the point.

On top of which, both you and your compatriot seem to have a fundamentally inept view of economics - particularly what is meant by the term "price" and the term "service" - price is what you're parting with, service is one of the components of the bundle of goods you're getting back in exchange - i.e., that's the price the merchant is paying in order to get his hands on your gelt.

By the way, if a company lies to you about the availability of its product, both as to actual existence and as to actual release date, what makes you think that you're going to get anything more than the shaft once you've put your money into their bank accounts? I think that what you really meant is that you'd be happy to do business with a company that lied and cheated other customers so long as they were (a) cheap, and (b) not cheating you.

 

@Doc Z
Despite the fact that I'm leaning towards PCMW right now, I have to disagree with you.
In economics, an interaction occurs when you give money to someone so they can provide you a service/good. In this case, you are buying both since you are getting a laptop and the company's promise to service the laptop in case of faulty components. Thus the lesser price you pay, if getting the same product, will result in something else that is lesser, and in this case service. But in your case, if you don't really care about service and stuff, then go for it. Right now I'm thinking if nothing goes wrong for a year, then it probably means theres no defunct parts. So if I take care of it, it should be fine for a while.

@Shyster
I think all the lies are just simple marketing ploys, and while deceptive, they won't really hurt my choice because I pretty much know for a fact already that its impossible for them to get their hands on an Intel chip before the 14th. So if you factor in the good service reviews from 3rd parties when they bought older systems, I think no ones going to get cheated here.

 

you will actually suffer from these "simple marketing gimmicks" when the **** publicly hits the fan from the manufacterers and pcmw becomes a little bit more poor and doesnt have the resources to help you in aftersrvice.

Dell had these lovely marketing gimmicks like on site service and "amazing customer support"
Lets look at them now..... oh yeah, they have now been sued for millions in not holding to these promises.

pcmw's remind me of the old salesmen that would try and advertise amazing deals or products in order to get your money, like those famous Xray glasses. Correct me if im wrong, but isnt it illegal what pcmw did when they offered the 9800m gtx and quad core when an officiall statement went out stating that these options would not be allowed? accepting payment for all of this is what broke the camels back.

 

yeah. I'm worried about this whole warranty thing. I have only had experience with dell and let me tell you everything has broken on my desktop. Here's its life story. I had to replace 3 nvidia 6800GT cards, a DVD burner, a PSU, a Case Fan, And finally the motherboard! After that the 3rd video card died and I just said forget it send me a new computer. So they do and I am impressed because it turned into a bit of an upgrade for me however they always use the same DVD burner that is faulty so It finally broke down and I told them to replace it and of course they put in a better one so now i'm doing alright again. But are things supposed to break this often? this is in less than 2 years! so now I don't know what kind of warranty I should get. I want my laptop to last if possible 4-5 years but do I need the 3 year warranty? any experience here would be greatly appreciated. Oh, by the way xoticpc's offer for the m570TU has officially rocked my boat towards them and away from PCMW. I would gladly rather pay a bit more for Justin or Donald's service!

 

Without actually reading all the previous posts, should I consider buying m860tu from PCMW, they are pretty cheap. I live in Canada by the way.

 

Maybe you can expect somewhere cheaper.

 

Go with PCMW. You have the potential of a better warranty, more stuff with your purchase, and guaranteed lowest price due to price matching LONG after XoticPC and PowerNotebooks bring theirs out. You will be guaranteed lowest price by PCMW, so you would not lose going with them.

Now XoticPC and Powernotebooks, you may lose out. As I don't think they would go as low as PCMW if it ends up being the lowest price as you would have gotten that price 'during a sale' or some other technicality.

So there's your answer.

 

Thanks Deathwinger. How long do you think the 4th of july sale will last? Also, is safe to buy from them, I mean do they offer good service and stuff?

 

It's going to probably last until end of sunday. My suggestion to you is if you aren't sure but want to at least hold the order so you retain the sale price is that you fill it out with all the information you need and then put that you want to do a money order instead of credit card (however, I don't think there is any problem putting credit card cause they only charge when they start production). The order is made and your number is reserved in the production queue.

On monday, give them a call and tell them you want to change the method of payment to credit card or however you want to pay. I think they give you up to a week after that to decide if you want the lappy at this price or not, so you buy yourself more time.

From what I have researched and read from individuals who bought from them, they have no complaints, its a good reputable company, high resellerratings....rating. From my own experience, the individuals are very accommodating and are too the point with me (at least they told me about the delays very early on, so I forgave them, however, I did exploit it pretending to be angry and got a good compensation, bad me ) and they are always courteous, very courteous....I have dealt with companies that are unbearable over the phone and in some instances, even ignore your calls! NOT COOL! I am a VERY picky customer, but I have to say, thumbs up for PCMW.

 

its dell. enough said

 

If its just the warranty then you can just buy the additional warranty, but then that would rise the price...
Like I said before, I think if a laptop lasts for a year (which is the warranty from PCMW) then there are no parts issues, and it should be fine through the rest of its life. But in your case, you just kept on getting faulty parts, which is probably a dell thing as they are now a mass market corp and don't have time to test everything before it leaves the door.

 

I tried to preorder the edge, but on the checkout page, it didn't give me an option to select a province in Canada. Also, what is the cheapest shipping method out of these options: FedEX/UPS Ground, FedEX/UPS second day air and FedEX/UPS next day air?

 

Ground ---------------

 

Its actually on till the 7th, monday. On the home page it says 4 days and gives the dates.

@death
I guess this proves you're at least not working for them. lol.

 

Its going to be funny if PCMW starts shipping the laptops a month after everyone else because of their violations. In the past release of new laptops PCMW has always been later than Sager and their resellers.

 

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Just put your province and country in the second address line.

Lol. I don't work for them no. But they are treating me very well.

 

you should refer to my pcmw guide. you just put in whatever info you can and then phone them up on monday to give proper details. use air delivery. Its more expensive, but it makes you not have to pay any extra money to fed ex upon delivery.

edit: ah i forgot that vbulletin misplaced that and now eleron is the owner of that thread.....

 

Yes, the company's lying to us but that doesn't mean they're gonna go bankrupt in a month or anything. It's called marketing...yeah it's not the best kind but they're a relatively new company and this is their way of attracting customers. Until I see something that makes me seriously worry about my money, I'll keep my order with them because I know I'll get my notebook whether it's before everyone else begins shipping their notebooks or a month after and I'll get it for the best price. They're trying to a build a name for themselves and sometimes that means making sacrifices.

 

Wow...took a weekend off and here we go again.

Well, PCMW loyalists. So price is the end all to be all....just on a lark, I decided to price two computers--one at pcmw and one at powernotebooks--identically for a laptop that is actually SHIPPING.

Powernotebooks was lower by $65.

As discussed previously, the price margins on these things by resellers like powernotebooks, xoticpc, pcmw, etc is razor thin.

Given that currently shipping products are similar in price, that we have some knowledge on the pricing of Clevo notebooks, abd that we have recent evidence of PCMW business practices do you really expect PCMW to sell you a notebook cheaper? Do you reall think that all that free stuff is actually free? Your price guarantee is worthless if they are promising you the same price you are going to get anyway.

And if you've been around, you would know that with the possible exception of a $100 or $150 introductory/pre-order price break --which I have only seen twice before--the price does not change by much for the first 3 months.

I must admit I was surprised at the price difference on the above model I referenced at the start of this post--usually there is no more than about $20 between them.

...and the big deals...sure, if you call and ask, they will knock another $65 off so that it matches whatever the more reputable resellers are offering them at, but they are hoping you are so euphoric over your new laptop once you finally get it that you forget to ask them. That is their modus operandi.

Listen, if your happy with your deal, and you are happy riding them to get everything you were going to get anyway and making them promise you something new all the time just because they set the bar so incredibly low in the first place, then I am happy for you.

I'm sure in some weird way that it's kind of fun because you believe you squeezed blood from a turnip. I know a lot of people get a thrill out of bargaining down a price.

I can actually respect a little bit of horse-trading.

But as for the pestering about a group sale....it's not an NDA stopping such a group sale from happening, it's economics and frankly, simply that you've been pretty annoying about the whole thing.

First, you've been supporting a charlaton company that has lied repeatedly, then you challenge a company that has been extraordinarily honest for years with everyone and patient with you. Then you ask that company to give you a group discount because you were dumb enough to follow the first company around like a love sick puppy.

And to get the group discount, all you have to do is say "I followed the other company and am in the group that wants a discount, please give it to me even though I have repeatedly been disrespectful of you and held you up against a company with a proven track record of deception, but insinuated you are the bad guy in all this."

Frankly, the whole thing is ludicrous...you know, if you call Donald or Justin and order 100 laptops, I am sure they would be willing to work something out as much as their margins will allow, but to simply make a group buy based on someone's word that they were dumb enough to ignore everyone's advice in the first place--wow.

 

Lol. Good times. Can I get some of what you're smoking?

 

@ geffry, what config did you use to determine the 65 dollar in FAVOR of powernotebooks. I've got the reverse. Plus the fact that I'd have to throw in 35 bucks more for the CPU when it ships. Then there the student discount....

I don't really care about the group buy, but the asker is simply wanting to know if they can provide it so they can compare and contrast with alternatives. There's nothing wrong with that.

 

What is the dollar amount for the Student Discount that PCMW offers?

 

I think that everyone of the buyers who have stuck with PCMW on this, have done so because each of us individuals (maybe contrary to the rest of the folks on here) do place price above service.

If the price comes cheaper from somewhere else later we can go for that or take the payback from PCMW. For those who have not held on to PCMW the same cannot be said.

Xotic or Powernotebooks policy for price matching applies only to advertised price, not deals that have been worked further down over the phone, or email, or as pre-orders. In other words if PCMW's Memorial Day price (and subsequent extras) turns out to be less than what the other guys are offering, then guess who got the deal and who didn't. And if not guess who still got the deal.

And as for service. A warranty is a legal binding contract, and though there may or may not be some variances from Sager resellers' warranty and Clevo resellers' warranty, in the long run with a warranty you get what you pay for.

And as far as technical support is concerned, I'm above that. No, just joking, but I never rely or even utilize the OEM's tech suport. I use NBR or some other internet source, as most of us do.

So yet again, as one of the stupid few who still has an order in with PCMW, I would like to say, you buy for your reasons and I will buy for mine.

 

$100 dollars.

 

lol, yeah, we're basically mercenaries going where ever the lowest price goes. ok... that didn't make sense, but you get the point.

@ greyreap
What kind of price did you get for your set up?
btw, is there some correlation between PCMW buyers and death related names? lol.

@Dreidel
its supposedly 100 bucks, but I'll make sure tomorrow.

 

Let me get this straight - for the purposes of obtaining customers, I am allowed to lie to the public about the facts of what I claim to be offering for sale, as well as about the date by which I will be able to deliver whatever it is I end up selling them, at least so long as I'm a new company?

In other words, suppose I start a company called Luxury Autos, LLC and I start an advertising campaign stating that I am offering for sale, for delivery in September 2008, the to-be-announced 2010 Ferrari Billogoods, which will come with a newly designed V-12 that will get 100 MPG, even though Ferrari itself has not yet released so much as a spec sheet on the vehicle, and answers "no comment" to all questions, and that I can then subsequently retract that spec, and the other "facts" I've stated, until, at the time that I ultimately deliver something to the customers who've stuck with me, I end up delivering in September 2009 a 2009 model year Ford Ka Studio (which would have been released by Ford earlier in 2008).

I don't know about everyone else, but to my understanding, if one plays that little game as a stock-broker, for example, one generally gets charged with criminal securities fraud, and gets fined/sued into the poor-house, not lionized by those who stick it through until they gamely take delivery of their Ford Ka Studios.

 

Well if it is indeed $100, the price PCMW offers for the NP5796 is a great deal (I think... keep in mind nothing to really compare it to).

What I am considering is the tradoff between quality service + more expensive and sub-par service + less expensive.

What has transpired in the recent months with PCMW also worries me. It brings me to wonder if and when they will deliver the product.

 

Eh? theres someone else thats taking pre orders other then PCMW and clizmo. Would you PM me where you bought it from?

 

Sager and all their resellers announced last week:
"The NP5793 is now SOLD OUT but will be replaced by the NEW NP5796 with the latest Intel chipset and processor technology, and DDR3/1066MHz memory, beginning the week of July 14th. Any orders placed now will be filled with the new NP5796 with an equally matched configuration and your price will be guaranteed... unless the new release pricing is lower in which case you will get the lower price!"

 

That's also something I noticed and many others should take into consideration.

Now to me it seems the newer models are usually more expensive but of course I don't own Sager so I don't determine pricing.

I am sure Justin and Donald would love to give us pricing for the NP5796, but they can't. For now this is all they can tell us. So, when making a purchase I would suggest all buyers consider all the given information (however subtle it may be).

 

1) $2150 shipped.

2) I hope not. Mine is just something I threw together some years ago to find a yahoo email username that wasn't taken already, and I've used it ever since.

 

Nowadays, laptops are getting cheaper and cheaper. if you compare 5760 and 5790, their prices were almost identical when announced.

 

You know it's not the same thing, that was a ludicrous example. PCMW is not up there with xoticpc and powernotebooks in terms of reputation but people have purchased laptops from them and have been very satisfied. It's not a completely brand new company. They have released plenty of information regarding this laptop and I haven't had any trouble with their customer service, they always try to accommodate your needs to keep your business which is more than I can say for other resellers. And for the guy who tried to compare laptop prices with PCMW and another reseller....just to let you know, mine wasn't a $65 discount -- it was a $400 discount on TOP of the $500 for the Memorial Day sale (which I will admit was just a gimmick and it was just an inflated price). But the $400 additional discount that I got after I called in AND the free upgrades that I got make it worthwhile for me to stay with PCMW.

 

^^so you got $900 discount?

 

900$ discount ? seriousely now, does anybody really buy that BS ?

 

I guess technically it's $900 but it really is only $400 off. Who really believes in that $500 Memorial Day sale? Even with that $500 the laptop was expensive as hell.

 

PCMW marks up their prices high in the first place so that their base prices are above most other sellers, thats why they can afford to give these "sales".

 

^^ Exactly, that's why I was able to get an additional discount.

 

Quantitatively, you're right, it's not the same thing - I purposefully chose an obvious example for demonstrative purposes; qualitatively, however, it is precisely the same thing. Neither immaturity of the business nor overexcitement about what's just around the corner justifies or excuses the failure to act in good faith with respect to both one's customers as well as one's suppliers and related vendors. Here's the point though - I'll grant, arguendo, that they manage to pull their cojones out of the fire this time and deliver a product that still reasonably resembles the one they've been offering, without too much of a delay, but - what about the next time, or the time after that? At what point do shoddy marketing tactics shade over into the commercial version of russian roulette?

 

My major concern about these sorts of marketing practices (such as offering wild "discounts" to keep business) is that they are often followed by businesses failing due to, funnily enough, unsustainable business practices and, hence, profitability. Which is fine if you don't need them to exist after you buy the product - but not so fine if you need after-sales support (e.g. warranty cover).

Petrov.

 

It is too bad the bulk of the information they have released has either been miss-leading,inaccurate or a lie. My view on accommodating customers would be to first provide accurate & honest information on what is being sold and factual ETA's. (Giving customers real expectations instead of false hope and only what they want to hear.)

Remember this happened with the 9262 SLi release and they were last to market.

 

Nice discussions in a great thread ^^

That was true BUT they where the first to announce the availability of the SLI in the black hawk, ALSO the same thing happened when PCMW announced the Quadcore CPUs to that lappy. On the other hand,other companires said that this is IMPOSSIBLE.

TipTip

 

Thats unfortunately the exact problem here. PCMW anounces things way early, before everyone else. But when they deliver the goods, at least historicaly, they were later then everyone else. Would you rather hear about a product first or recieve it first?

 

They may have been first to announce it, but their information was lacking and inaccurate, which is the problem here again. If you go back and look at the threads you will see this. They were touting to be shipping the technology first, which was false. Would you rather hear about it first or have it in your hands first?

Quad Core at that time was not supported by Clevo, the manufacturer of the machine, which later revised the motherboard to support it.