New Clevos with Coffee Lake-S are here, P870TM, P775TM, P751TM

8700K in a Clevo

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Ditch...by-Intel-Coffee-Lake-S-95W-CPUs.255686.0.html

It's official, baby

 

If it's not delidded, things are gonna be toasty.

 

8700K is a big hit for Threadripper, better processing/gaming performance with reasonable price.

 

I think you got TR4 and AM4 mixed up. TR4 is not focused on gaming and comparing the 6/12 8700K to a 12/24 1920X is not really logical. If you compare it to AM4's R7s. Once both are overclocked, the 8700K @ 5GHz is almost the same as a R7 @ 4GHz. Overall, the 1GHz core speed advantage almost makes up for the core difference but thermals on the 8700K become semi-problematic. Some reviewers peaked at 94*C with the stock paste. Replacing it dropped 20*C down.

 

Not at all, the real danger is the I5 - 8400.

 

Yes you are right:

 

I'd suggest checking all reviews since most seem to contradict Linus. I imagine something is off with his testing. Judging from Paul's vid, the 8400 is basically tied with the 1600 models in games and loses by a decent margin in productivity. The 8600K is a much better option. Not to mention that H370 boards won't come for another 4 months at least and Z370 + 8400 makes no sense since you may as well buy an R7 + B350 for that price

 

there will be heatsink change but with so limited spacing and re-using same chassis only thing they could improve on is making CPU vaper cooling as well.

8700k has a larger die area than 7700k by about 15-20%, using liquid metal delid and vaper chamber might be able to cool off 6cores 5ghz with hyper threading disabled. that or they will also do what they did with GPU cooling, direct cpu heat towards GPU fans.

 

Any idea when will clevo begin shipping with 8700k ? Also really concerned about thermals (stock or OC) compared to 7700k OC delided in that relatively small chassis

 

The chassis has a lot of space. They just are not using it properly.
End of the day heat sinks won't do much, unless they fix their QC.

 

sum it up design is flawed. had they gone for 4 fans designed with 2 fans on cpu and 2 for gpu they could solve the current issue. clevo kinda brought it onto themselves with almost no foresight. AMD pretty much drop the bomb on every thing causing intel to go 6/8c mainstream.

 

How would you better use the chassis space?

Another fan would require either making the existing ones smaller or shrinking the heatsinks.

Lets not get too carried away with the armchair engineering

 

he couldnt make use of the more space, making it thicker would work a tad better. i meant to say had they gone for 4 fans design with p870dm. nvidia went desktop class after 980m, cpu increased cores due to AMD, now i can say for sure this laptop will run superhot.

 

Uh no. No need for an extra fan.
Just the bloody fact that the heatsinks need to fit properly and maybe they need stop saving money but cutting out on the radiators.
Fans are not the end all be all of cooling. Proper design is. Proper air channeling is.
And most of all proper Quality Control of the heat sinks is. And there are way better fans out there.. along with a decent amount of space inside the chassis for beefier cooling.
If I can fit in a double the thickness 3D printed proto type waterblock in there..then I'm sure Clevo's RnD can do much better than my so called "Arm chair engineering".
Stop covering up for their serious lack of Quality Control. People who pay $3000+ for these systems are already pay a giant premium for the for the form factor and let's not kid here when I say, we both know how much , for example, these GPUs cost vs how much they are sold to us for. So yeah, they have enough money and head room to improve things.
So again, stop covering for them. Enough with you turning a blind eye to wards how pathetic the QC for Clevo heatsinks is. Or do you really want me to make a giant thread listing how much me and a bunch of others have spent ON TOP OF the already high cost of these machines to fix the shoddy cooling ? Not to mention the countless hours.
So Meaker with due respect .. please, just stop with these posts where you swoop in and turn a blind eye to these issues.

 

The 8700K is going to run pretty hot without a delid in any system.

 

Who are the best delidding resellers? hidevolution and? Il likely go with them but I would like to compare. Delid and oc will be required if I buy this bad boy.

 

@bloodhawk nah they will need the extra fan. 6 cores runs hot can hit closer to 180w during avx2 workload, must be blind.

@Meaker@Sager i dont talk about non-deliding lol, besides if they dont delid, more the reason to up the cooling.

 

We have to wait, from my side before i procede to buy i need more information.. maybe clevo sell it with the same cooling system.. who know?xd

 

yep i also want to see the new heatsink as well before i make the purchase. hoping to see something like heat going into GPU side of things.

 

The P870 chassis I reckon has space for a double rad around a single fan like MSI GT60/GT70 line have had for years, venting both side and back. Its on the left, up the back, and no ports in the way.

 

If they use the same type / brand of fans then yeah. They will definitely need an extra. BUT since they seem to be cutting corners, a better solution would be to increase the fin density a bit.
And for the love of God they need to switch to SUNON or someone who can supply mag lev fans.

 

the fan looks pretty small so the amount of fins they can put there aint much. comparing to say, gt83vr's heatsink, the difference is huge.

i'd agree on more area for cooling is always better, i dont own p870dm so i donno how powerful the fans are. if the fans are powerful then increasing fins will definitely help, they 12v? also im speaking from experience of p570wm's CPU heatsink, its gigantic with 2 fans, and its barely capable of cooling 6 cores at 4.6ghz, ivy-E though

 

Looks like still no 4K HDR 120Hz. Even the 27 inchers from Asus and Acer are delayed until Q1 2018. PC tech has definitely slowed down

 

A bunch of new content came out today for the Z370 / Coffee Lake, I tried to find the best available, and posted them here:

Intel Core i7-8700K Coffee Lake Z370
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/intel-core-i7-8700k-coffee-lake-z370.809268

 

@Meaker@Sager
about the m.2 slots in these laptop, are they capable of both 12v and 5v? or just 5v for those 2280 pcie SSDs? also the 15pin SATA port are 5v not 12v right?

 

To be honest I was not aware M.2 had two different voltage standards. The SATA ports are 5v since the only drives that use 12V wont fit.

 

So when 8 core coffee comes will we get another Clevo refresh? Tm2?

 

Shoving more fin density doesnt necessarily help.

 

Definitely not. But at least will give it slightly more thermal mass and surface area.

 

Traveling and just briefly checking in (will read all your PMs another time, please bear with me a little longer). Did you miss me?
Clevo has all new CPU and (non unified) SLI heatsinks for the P870TM1 (single GPU heatsinks remain the same. 1070 SLI uses the same Master and Slave heatsink combos as before. All combos use new CPU heatsink).

EDIT:

Spoiler

P870TM1 (SLI)



P77xTM


P75xTM:

 

Wonder if Coffee lake prema is gonna be enough lol

 

Some people have posted pictures in the overclocking thread in the owners section if people are interested.

 

@Donald@HIDevolution How come the P775TM pre-order doesn't have 3k 120hz as an option on the customisation page? I could only see FHD and 4k.

 

Neither the EVOC P775DM3-G nor EVOC High Performance Systems P775TM currently have the 3K QHD (2560x1440) screen available. We may see it in the future, but there are no current plans to have it available for these models.

 

im assuming the pic off eurocom website right? any idea if it'll have 2 fans for 870tm cpu.

 

Is the 4K model in the P775TM the same 100% AdobeRGB AUO panel that was in the P870DM3?

 

They aren't here yet...no way to know exactly what screens will be used.

 

Can it be officially confirmed that Z370 will work with cannon lake octacore?

 

@tgipier The Eurocom rep said that a mobo + cpu swap is necessary for any upgrade to CFL2.

 

I wonder if I can switch out my old system for the new one, since the chassis are the same

 

Also is there a buy back program to upgrade the similar spec machines for our machines?

 

Will be nice if we can upgrade our machine like tornado f5 or p870dm3/Tm with z390.
however i don’t know what laptop i have to buy, i want 15.6 this time like the evoc 16L13( tornado f5).
Im just scare if i can’t upgrade to z370/390 in the future.
Someone know something more?

 

Your best option is to sell what you have on eBay, and then buy a new one. Keep in mind that a dealer would have to do the same thing...that is, sell it on eBay...and the dealer would have to make a profit doing it. That is why it is better for you to do it yourself, and eliminate the dealer profit.

 

The CFL2 Tornado is coming 2H 2018 according to Eurocom so if you can wait, then wait. It may be better for upgradability then and if Ryzen is coming to laptops then it'll push Intel to be competitive in that space again.

 

2H would mean anytime in between July 1st to Dec 31st.
knowing intel, it'll likely be out sometime closer to end of 2017 if not early 2018. launch is one thing, the availability of buying is another. ontop of that thats only CPU, OEMs will need to design and test once they receive the CPU which could take another 2-3 months.

possibly a year or year and half from now will we see the next 8 core laptop, best to upgrade now. 6 core 5ghz is worth it.

 

That depends on what you intend to do with it and what you have now. 7700 series (mobile or desktop) and GTX 1070/1080 owners for instance would be better off waiting.

 

exactly, especially that theres a chance 8c might not work in same socket/chipset is the killing part. i honestly donno if i should upgrade because im at 8c 4.3ghz going to 6c at 5ghz is a decent jump in ST performance, along with new GPU/SSD benefits.

 

I have a 6700HQ and 970M. I too am debating the jump. I'm pretty sure it won't be compatible, otherwise I feel Eurocom wouldn't have said it'll require a mobo swap.

 

Considering Intel recent history of socket/chipset compatibility, I would be the 8c jump will require a new motherboard.

 

All depends on what AMD will present with next generation of their CPU's. This can force intel to changetheir policy.