New Clevos with Coffee Lake-S are here, P870TM, P775TM, P751TM

Not holding out hope for AMD to materialize on notebooks. It would be nice but that's a pretty lofty ambition.

 

In time I hope it happens

 

bga cpu, almost guaranteed an entire mobo swap, and usually a mobo swap will mean new GPU thats not mobile edition means GPU heatsink change. 970M and say 1070 tdp is too great, a GPU heatsink change would almost guaranteed be buying a brand new computer at this point.

 

I'm talking about the CFL1 CPUs, I don't think the socket has an upgrade path. So the 8400, 8600K, and 8700K can't be replaced by CFL2 CPUs because Eurocom said that those boards will necessitate being replaced to use the new CPUs.

 

thats a mobo swap assuming mobo can fit into the old chassis. mobo and cpu swap, not too bad, just like desktop.

 

forgot to ask will i be able to do a mobo swap with my machine?

 

Hi! please help! where i can download the prema mod BIOS for my clevo w350st model laptop?
6-77-W350ST00 D03A
now i use stock bios 4.6.5
https://valid.x86.fr/jgkgkq

official page not works(

also, what is the best way to donate/support you for all your efforts? Thanks!

 

it looks like there supposed to be a 2nd fan for the CPU? or what is that 2nd extra block of grills?

 

i agree, we need answers! extra fin without fans will just trap heat inside.

 

I suggest waiting until it gets looked at before drawing any conclusions.

 

quick question. When do you guys think would be the best time to put my machine up for sale to upgrade? without losing too much via value

 

ASAP.
And its already lost a decent chunk of value tbh. , since every one will be holding out for the TM1.

 

It depends if you intend to stay bleading edge or not, selling that machine and going for a TM1 would be a huge outlay for not a lot gained.

 

There is no reason for replace it.. if you gonna use ur laptop for “gaming” just no need to swap now, just move directly to 8 core.

 

I guess I will wait for ryzen. I could use the 8 core for video editing while still game

 

Don't forget that as of now, adding cores doesn't do a ton for gaming outside of *possible* "future proofing."

We all know that future proofing electronics is a fools errand...

 

well of course. I do video editing and hearing news of ryzen was thrilling. Would love to have those cores, but still maintain my gaming.

 

silicon improvement.

5.2ghz As of 10/16/17, the top 14% of 8350Ks were able to hit 5.2GHz or greater.
5.0ghz As of 10/16/17, the top 59% of 8350Ks were able to hit 5.0GHz or greater.

60% of retail chips can do 5ghz thats pretty amazing imo.
too bad SL didnt list any thats like 5.3 or 5.4ghz im sure a good chunk from 5.2ghz 14% batch can hit 5.3 or possibly higher.

just gonna patiently wait for 8700k and info on new p870TM1

 

Hyper-threading tends to be taken advantage of less in gaming than physical cores. Additional cores are hardly ever a drawback, even if most games only make good use of 2 - 4.

 

More cores is great for that wonderful Intel buzzword MEGA-TASKING.

 

MEGA-TASKING is still more the 12-18 core area lol.

 

Useless for gaming eheh

 

Unless you do a linus and have multiple gamers lol.

 

Is the 8350k going to be offered with the 751TM?

 

It's not about future proofing. You simply don't want to buy a 4 core 8 thread CPU *right now*, a month or two before the 6 cores actually get widely available (regardless of Intel's half-paper launch fiasco two weeks ago). It's about longevity. A 6 core CPU would give you not only more resell value, but a longer LIFESPAN than a 4 thread system (assuming all things are equal). And if they accept 1100 series video cards, even better.

People who bought 4 core 8 thread GTX 1080 systems this year are probably better off waiting for 8 core releases, unless they sell their existing systems. Considering how AMD is making Nvidia milk the Pascal series for all its worth, we won't see 1100 series cards for quite awhile. Probably going to bet 1100 series cards will come out when mainstream 8 core cpu's (not HDET/Skylake/Kaby Lake-X) are out.

 

If Nvidia is not going to release 1100 series until mid 2018 then that is good news for those who wants to jump into the scene right at this moment with a GTX 1080 + i7-8700K.

 

I'm actually considering to buy one but with a 1070. Then I'll switch it with the 1080 in my p870dm2 and sell it.

 

It's a reasonable upgrade if you're doing other tasks aside from gaming.

 

Why so much interest in 12v? There arent any m.2 12v slots.
99% SATA laptops are 2,5'' so thats 5V, again, why 12v here?

Obsidian-pc.com is best u can get in europe.

Expect the worst from intel, it will most likely be on new chipset.

Don't expect Intel to change anytime soon, they'd rather give up on CPU market than changing anything lol.
Funny to see Intel in this position nowadays: Intel accuses Qualcomm of abusing its mobile chip monopoly

No, the CPU area changed with some screws also changing position, you would have to modify the chassis.

 

cause i wanna mod it, add in 15mm u.2 optane SSD in there dont think it'll fit but those run on 12v, not sure if they will operate with 5v

 

You are better off waiting for a proper M. 2 consumer optane drive.

 

and theres that too. i'd say by mid next yr it'll probably appear from intel. that or samsung will have znand ssd for consumers

 

Well it is the next step forward, if you leave intel to their devices they would render normal NAND obsolete.

 

I might just wait for next gen gpu or cpu. My P870KM1-G is serving me just fine. The only thing that disappointing me is that Z270 chipset does not support coffee lakes, but I guess it was too much to ask for greedy Intel.

 

There are some reasons they have done it, but yes it's not what people wanted to see. Your gaming experience should not really be different however.

 

well intel always been enterprise/business focused, they dont care much about consumers. for consumers it would simply be the brand name/reputation, since thats already established they hold nothing back to screw people left and right .

 

They do care if they think they can create a market and make a decent margin.

People are already forgetting the x25e and x25m SSDs that were the first reliable consumer SSDs. Everything else was garbage by comparison.

 

@Meaker@Sager , the Sager site states that the estimated delivery date of the NP9877s is on Nov 15. Does that mean that the chassis is already there and just waiting for the 8700k's to come?

 

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2373334016225763

@Papusan @bloodhawk starting 1:03
this is so sad even the thin junk bga knows to give more fan for cooling yet clevo still holding back. destroy the vent chassis area on 870TM1 and grab a super thin fan shown in that video, run a power line from say a USB port and be done with the extra cooling.

 

Not here yet.

 

Clevo has been cheaping out on cooling since right after the DM1.

 

Chassis should be identical to the current models right?

I think DM1 had good cooling. Same with the first gen P770DM (now P775DM) looking at the heatsinks, the first one looks better.

 

Yeap. No doubt about that. The same 7700k at the same voltage @ 4.8Ghz would run 3-4C cooler in the DM1 vs the DM3. And the kicker was that the DM1 was wayyyy quieter than the DM3 even with max fans.

 

The DM3 focused more on GPU cooling due to the increased power demands by GPUs.

 

well thats really the problem isnt it. increase in GPU power means they should accommodate GPU cooling by redesign future models capable of cooling 180-200w GPU power x2, not direct the GPU heat towards CPU radiator.

it was very clear in DM1, it was meant for 980m SLI but afterwards it was really meant 2 fans for a single GPU rated at 180-200w. putting of 980 or 1080 in sli would double the heat from 980m..

 

Hence the move to vapor chamber to improve the efficiency as well. It's the smallest of all the larger machines and yet has the most cooling potential.

 

Yeah thats understandable. But just adding heatsinks doesnt seem to be doing much. They need to add faster dissipation with better quality fans. Not these hair dryer fans that are all noise and no performance.
Also i tested this using the DM3 CPU ONLY heatsink as well, and the results were the same (give or take a a degree here or there). DM1 was still dissipating heat much better than either of my DM3 heatsinks (2 x CPU combo heat sinks and 1 x CPU ONLY heatsink)

 

it was clear that vaper chamber has smaller improvement if it were to add extra radiator/surface area. if the laptop comes with 4 fans, or even additional vents on the left/right end side of machine along with stronger fans it'll do just fine. something like GT83VR's fans and vents for example, their cooling on those GPUs are godlike tbh, tho they neglected the CPU, sucks.

 

And now they have changed back again. No more bridge to the Cpu grills. Back and forth. Just as far.

Already posted what sorts of second cpu fan who can be used. You could do it your self with a cable splitter and use same MB fan header. If the fan header can deliver enough amp.

 

donno if the mod will be worth it lol, buying new laptop and mod, its a lot of fun knowing it'll likely work and push OC even further, just dont got the time tho