New Clevos with Coffee Lake-S are here, P870TM, P775TM, P751TM

No biggie if need the graphics card installed. And vs n650du if 775 gives better temps ill take the extra weight any day over worse temps. Sorry one other newb question. I see coffee lake has 16pcie lanes. Dont all that go towards the gpu? Lanes available also for ssd nvme drives?

 

I'd say wait a bit for the coffe lake notebook for now, we don't know what exacly is going to happen tempwise etc. Also the P775 is a complete disaster.

 

I need to preorder since leaving united states end of november. Bad timing but will be much cheaper than having it shipped abroad. I wouldnt risk doing preordering 775 on 8700k but i think/hope 8700 with gtx1060 should be safe

 

Considering how the 775 already get instantly 100c and throttlingissues on 7700K, running a 8700K is pretty much wishful thinking at this point... But suit yoruself! You have been warned.

 

What are the other recent “disasters” from Clevo? Specifically looking into the 15” line. I was hoping on getting the new P751TM, but I’d like to know if there’s anything to worry about the line.

 

I mean in the end we won't know until it's released, so I won't be able to tell. But other than that, most clevos have rather bad cooling systems. If you want desktop CPU and a cooling that at least doesn't cause massive throttling, then the Tornado F5 is the one to get, if you don't want to fiddle around and keep worrying about the temps, then I'm afraid you'll have to look for something else.

If it's anythign like the 75x series with the 7700K then prepare for disaster.

 

Everyone has their own opinion, but here are the facts so that you can make your own. These are the maximum temps we get after AIDA64 stress testing, and a couple of hours of hard gaming:

EVOC P750DM3-G w/ nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 - GPU = 84C - CPU = 79C

EVOC P775DM3-G w/ nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 - GPU = 85C - CPU = 89C

EVOC 16L-G-1080 w/ nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 - GPU = 91C - CPU = 88C ~ With stock U3 cooler - GPU = 88C - CPU = 82C

All have the Prema BIOS, are delidded & undervolted, and are overclocked to 4.7GHz...no throttling.

 

Please provide some gameplay footage of a CPU and GPU heavy game such as crysis 3, witcher 3 or anything similar to showcase your point. I've seen so many people claiming that their system runs so well and so cool and everytime I ask for any kind of proof I get nothing or people disprove themselves. So I'll stay skeptical about that for now.

 

No, actually HID does provide this service and temps,. buuuut... not all P775's are thge same...

 

I was actually looking into P750DM3-G and 16L-G-1080 as well. Those two were my second choices over the newer P751TM.

 

I know they provide the service, I question how effective it is tho. I do know they apply liquid metal and delidd, but if they actually get the temps which Donald has posted is the thing I want to know. Mr.Fox claimed that his system would run at 5ghz and compete with desktop PC's, but in reality he unervolted his CPU so hard that it would run 4.2ghz half of the time in crysis 3 at around 85-90c with a cooling pad and a P870 system. So obviously I'm sceptical about the P75x from HID running with 79c on the CPU @ 4.7ghz stable.

Here is the gameplay video:


Here is what mr.fox did:

 

This is good to see thanks.
@Danishblunt as you see here the f5 u say is much better, performs very similar to 775 "disaster"

I think disaster is expected for those that dont add any mods esp delidding. And these results are with 4.7 overclock...i think delid should be mandatory for these k versions esp if want to overclock.think and hope non k versions wont need delid and will run cool since im not looking to overclock

 

Go buy it then, it's not my money and the possible problems aren't mine either. I'm not gonna stop you.
At least that way I'll know how much of their testing is actually true.

So once you bought it, could you make videos of the temps while playing demanding games like crysis 3 or do a longer aida test? Would appreciate it!

 

that's perfectly viable and I can back up the same figures, though not with footage of gameplay. We have a huge wealth of CPU testing both in terms of speed binning (which we do on the delidded CPUs we offer), undervolting at different OC levels and so on. 4.7GHz with -100mV averaged at 80C in BF1.

Don't forget that there is a difference in performance from CPU to CPU, in terms of how they react to undervolting, how well they overclock and combination of the two of course. We ran 10x different 7700K in a P775DM chassis with 1080 as part of the above tests I mentioned and the worst performing CPU ran around 11C hotter with the same undervolt and OC. This is nothing that unusual to see in CPUs to be honest but the once which ran at 80C was particulatly good.

 

love to hear both sides learn more about how these perform from as many various sources . @Mr. Fox care to explain your thermals @Danishblunt pointed out?

 

You don't always need the CPU running at full speed and full temps, this is why it sometimes goes lower.

Also, I trust @Mr. Fox to have had the best system possible. He tweaked it to bits

@XMG @Donald@HIDevolution I believe that both of you can offer those temps in those conditions I don't believe that most people will have this experience tho. I wish I had, but I didn't...

Our of curiosity, with full services, what are your typical idle figures?

 

This is the issue I have, you always write that you achieve this and that, but when it comes to actual proof nothing is coming.

@Georgel You're wrong. The CPU on the video, as you can see yourself, was pretty loaded (50-65%). To demonstrate this even further here is a desktop 7700K overclocked to 5ghz on a desktop system.


Also you can do the test yourself. Fire up a game, see your clocks, if you see them fluctuate, adjust the power, and suddenly stable coreclocks. All my Notebooks and Desktop PC's run at stable corespeed in any game, no matter the load, this should be the case with all properly tuned systems.

If you trust mr.fox to have had the best system possible which had that high temps on a superior P870, then what makes you believe that the P75x which has inferior cooling will be able to handle 4.7ghz stable with much better temps? Do you start to see the problem here?

 

I can't reach above 4.0GHz and it already reaches 100C on CPU , -100 mV undervolt, and prema BIOS

I need a repaste

Sending it soon!

VERY SOON!!!

 

Basically, I want to believe in those systems!

My reseller was TEKadvice, and they are providing good service. Their unit was bought from PC Specialist, as it is written on the box...

 

What CPU do you have? I tinkered a lot with a 4940MX (known to be a furnace) which ran at 90s temps and 3.5-3.6ghz, now I tuned it to 4ghz stable and 70s temp. I might be able to help out a bit depending on what system and CPU you have.

 

The excel file I was looking at didn't have idle temps listed, they're probably on another record on the server - sorry.

But to be fair, I did make a point of saying that the 80C (actually it was an average of 79C after 20 minutes of BF1, I pulled the wrong figures from excel before - sorry......worst CPU of the 10 ran at 91C same settings 4.7 and -100) 7700K was a very good performer, so it's not representative of what every customer will see and we don't (and never would) promote those figures as representative or a guarantee of performance across the board. We speedbin and then delid, so you're not going to get a dellided CPU in the example 91C range - then again running at 79C is the ultimate result, so that's not representative of all of them either. But definitely 79C to 84C is completely expected.

All these tests I have been refering to were not carried out for promotion, they were part of our speed binning and delidding R&D. As such, we didn't do anything special, the tests were carried out in a normal 23C environmemt and as fairly as possible so that we had good data to replicate a customer's experience.

 

Undervolt and overclock in your machine always had a nice impact.

 

So what settings did you rn Bf1 on?
How were temps on Aida stresstest?
Were the clockspeeds stable? (afterburner or something to check clockrates)
What powerdraw did you have?
etc. etc.

We as the consumer have no information about how you did the testing, what the temps were under which condictions. This is the reason why we need footage of something to evaluate what you're offering. We can't even tell if you tested properly, for all I know you could have OCed to 4.7ghz, and ran a game, while it might have went down to 4.2ghz like on mr.fox video but you didn't realize because you may not have monitored it, or you might have used a resolution that would make the CPU usage really low etc.

For all we know it could be just something you write, wrong testing etc. There is absolutely no way we can confirm your results.

The biggest concern for users who are considering notebooks with desktop CPU's are temps and we know on stock those temps are disastrous. If you have a service that can fix those temps to an acceptable range (75-85 imo) then you should showcase it with some kind of proof, which would make your customer want to buy it from you. That's why it baffles me that you still haven't done so already, since it would attract a lot of new potential customers.

 

Going to record today on Tornado F5

 

Could you tell us where you got the tornado?
Also when making the Video,please show clockspeeds temps etc. with MSI afterburner, make a longer recording (mb around 15min+ if possible)
Also tell us what have you done on the notebook (such as if u have modded anything, using cooling pad etc.)

 

Got Tornado F5 from master (prof, holy, super.. I don't know how to nickname him) @woodzstack
here my first encounter
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...6-owners-lounge.797128/page-764#post-10585325

And yes, I think I know how to properly record a vid with stats, here my first run:

Notebook is only magistrally repasted from me ^.^

 

PUBG is a terrible examlpe, the game is completely GPU intensive and as far as I can see ur CPU only uses 20W, I think u're only using a couple of cores, while the rest is not even active. Early access games are poorly optimized and don't really utilize hardware well enough. That's why I asked for benchmarks like crysis 3 or witcher 3, since they use the CPU efficiently. If you want to do some extreme CPU game scenario then it's Ashes of the benchmark or the newest civ, but I'd settle on the other games as well

 

Tricked EC, must add 31,9W to the max, so 52W ,
and as you can see from percentage load(or vcore), third line , first on left is Max CPU/Thread Usage, same line on right Total CPU Usage, so use 4-5 cores at 75% max of every overclocked cpu actually exist, the engine is well know spaghetti coded.

 

I highly doubt the first value is anything related to CPU usage, considering my friends 7700K desktop runs the game on ultra 1080p around 30ish usage, the worst part is that all cores are VERY uneven in usage etc. But we both agree, that the game is a terrible benchmark

So will you record any footage on something more usable like witcher3, crysis3, ashes, civ, mafa 3 or such?

 

Sorry but bolded before on my reply to you: Crysis3 within the end of day, bye!

Look at hwinfo32 in my video

 

You did not bold anyting, as you can see yourself above

Yeah I think I get it now, so the 1.st value is the max thread usage of the thread that has the highest usage of all 8 cores, while the 2nd value is the total CPU usage. This pretty much aligns with my friends observation that some cores are pretty much not needed while 1-2 highly used.

Am excited to see the results on Crysis 3

 

New Clevos with Coffee Lake-S are here, P870TM, P775TM, P751TM

Just misunderstanding (you need to buy eyeglasses also) ^_^ I bolded your quoted message

 

Oh god. Please don't do that again, most people wouldn't bother reading their own quotes unless someone specificially says to do so, I mean I already know what I've written

 

FHD Ultra.

We didn't run Aida, we ran Prime95 pre delidded at stock/with undervolting/overclocking, then delidded stock/with undervolting/overclocking. Also BF1 with the same variables, Cinebench, Unigine

Yes, the clock speeds were stable at the 4.6GHz and 4.7GHz overclock - all speedstep and other CPU speed limitations were disabled at BIOS level. They probably used HWInfo, not 100% sure.

Didn't measure the power draw, this was a delidding, undervolting and CPU binning test - not a power draw test.

I posted a small number of results in order to backup what another reseller said. It wasn't my intention to post this as promotional material, it was in direct response to another question and in that context.

I understand completely that in order to correctly evaluate the data you would need more information, but as above I posted it in a specifric context. It's not a review, we didn't take screenshots of everything because the data was for internal testing and for a specific evaluation. I can't post the excel files online, that's not what they were intended for. We ran everything at standard operating settings, as I mentioned in the origina post this was so that we could get results which were going to mirror a customer's experience - so running at a lower clock speed or lower game resolution would have voided the results for us.

In our laptops, we offernormal CPUs and delidded CPUs. We don't offer overclocking and we don't guarantee a set overclock for a delidded CPU.

I can't give you all the information that you're requesting, but I hope you can see the context in which we came about these results, what the results were used for, why we recorded them in a certain manner etc etc. You should question data, the source and so on - but I am simply relaying internal testing information and the manner in which it was recorded - which I explained in my OP. Our customers purchase a normal CPU or delidded CPU, from that point we allow the customer to take over the overclocking, undervolting or anything else that's under their control.

 

Thanks for the mention !

 

6700K...

 

and? 7700K is basicially the same as a 6700K only OCed higher.

 

You asked me about what CPU I have earlier, 6700K, 99C w/ 4.0 GHz and -100mV undervolt...

 

What laptop model? 99c stress testing,gaming...? Is your cpu delidded?

 

P775, no delid, needs repasting.

 

That explains it. Again from what i see delid of "k" version cpus should be a must.

 

Sry kinda forgot I asked that ._.

I think you'll have to delid no matter what. Not delided is impossible to use unless someone wants to make a test on how long the CPU will last without dying.

What tim are you going to use?

 

Clock for clock the same performance but the memory controller is stronger and it will reach higher clocks before hitting the power wall where you have to throw masses of watts at it to clock 100mhz.

 

We have talked about how you should fix your temp problems for a year ago bruh.

In fact, 7700K has lower IPC than 6700K. Not much, almost negligible. But still there. Regardless, 7700K is a better chips.

 

Here!
Crysis 3 run on Tornado F5, graphical settings maxed out, no vsync/adaptive vsnc, no RTSS frame cap.
monitoring by HWiNFO64



Ambient temp 21°c,
6700k@4,3Ghz delidded by EUROCOM, coductonaut LM by me (76°c max spikes)
GTX 1080@150W stock clocks on ICD7 (77°c max)
Fans on AUTO, slider on the right on MSI silent option.

 

Ok this raises a lot of questions, I'll start a conversation with you. Maybe I can figure our why your performance is drasticly lower than expeceted.

 

What was the expected result?

 

His result:

Spoiler

MSI GT 73VR Notebook

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Desktop 1080

Spoiler

 

As already stated in conversation between us, I got 150W vbios on my gtx 1080.
Going to flash the Prema's 200W instead and post the update here with a new video..(till this new monsters laptop are released)

 

The clocks are not that far apart...