New Clevos with Coffee Lake-S are here, P870TM, P775TM, P751TM

That another reason to avoid Clevo's now. The god awful QC. Basically spend $4000 on the system and then another $500 to cool it properly.

 

Hello community

I need your gidence please, i´m thinking on buying the barebone of the P775TMG without CPU, only with the GTX 1080, and try to buy a used CPU, more cheaper....what do you guys think in what CPU should i buy? should i stick to the P775DMG, and sell it latter to buy the P775TMG?, i know it´s 1 Gen. down, but the Clevo P775TMG barebone it´s so expensive, almost 2000$ its brutal with that card.

I have a P771DMG

 

@Papusan looks like someone not very smart in their purchase lol.. https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/78mp4b/wow_just_got_my_ultra_edition_from_caseking/

paying 5ghz for 1.41v non avx workload ewww

 

That is a hard rip off right there.
But to their defense, everything is clearly stated on the caseking website.

 

At least, he got a chips But have they tested properly lowest possible voltage this chips is able to run with mentioned clocks? Nothing is put in stone.

 

premium silver IHS, worth it!!

 

And you will find that LM will react differently... Aka less degradation of LM vs. if you applied it to only copper (if you sand the original lid down to the copper). You can't do much with the Copper HS. But still better.

 

I got the impression the spread was 4.9Ghz to 5.1Ghz to catch almost all chips.

 

if only you could find one 5.2ghz under 1.35v

 

Can anyone give me an opinion? Does anyone have the laptop yet? how is the fan noise and heating temp.? Thank you in advance

 

so 8c is almost guaranteed to remain on 14nm++ because intel is delaying 10nm+. we need a laptop change when 8 core mainstream comes, current p870tm isnt capable of cooling it.

 

hey guys, I found this on 3dmark, apparently this is for the Notebook P7xxTM1 with a 1070N and it looks like a stock run too but on W10
Skydiver - http://www.3dmark.com/sd/4857934
Firestrike - https://www.3dmark.com/fs/13944453
Firestrike Extreme - http://www.3dmark.com/fs/13944491
Firestrike Ultra - http://www.3dmark.com/fs/13944518

 

seems good!
this 8700k 6c/12t clock to clock(4,4Ghz) is 20% faster in synthetics benchmark than my 6700k 4c/8t

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/13944453/fs/13358595

 

Or seems low. 20% higher physics with same clocks, IPC and 50% more cores

 

we dont know if throttling or not because from 3dmark db seems 8700k at 4,4ghz topping 18k points on physics score

https://www.3dmark.com/search#/?mod...00K Processor&gpuName=NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070

 

Could also be because of the 3dmark UI version, Win X version and the run also used steam

 

5.3GHz top out 23872 or +38% higher physics than mentioned 4.39GHz. Do your math.

 

Well...since nobody replied to my question, does somebody at least know the release dates/prices for europe of the P775TM-G?

 

mySn news and XMG from site look like about 24/11/2017 xmg also have in configurator new models

https://www.mysn.de/xmg-ultimate-gaming-laptops/xmg-Ultra-15-l17

 

Thank you

I saw in all advised retailers, and i was asking cause XMG says 2 to 4 weeks, but Hidevolution says late October, November first weeks....and they can send it to the UK and Portugal without customs cost, witch is a big advantage, or else only in December to buy it on a local store here in Portugal maybe, but i´m saying this based on what you have said....

 

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/sd/4857934/sd/4621049#

 

You can clearly see physics score from [email protected] in P7xx is crippled vs. [email protected] https://www.3dmark.com/compare/sd/4857934/sd/4858285# Temp or power throttling!!

 

Wait, I've just started to read up on the new Clevo laptops. Are the Coffee Lake versions not good right now? I was thinking of getting a Clevo (P751TM, P750DM3-G, P650HS-G) or MSI (16L13) chassis if I ever sort out this Alienware mess.

 

What about FireStrike ?

 

Well, you are asking about something that nobody can answer. They have not been released yet, and the people that know best how to test them the right way do not have them. So, that question cannot be accurately answered. Unless they have fixed the thermal management issues (also an unknown) buying something in the Clevo P7 product line is not a great idea. Unless you enjoy thermal messes and want something that doubles as a space heater, in which case it is excellent.

 

What about with stock 8700? This should run much cooler i suppose than 8700k with lower tdp. I read review of this chassis on 7700k which preformed poorly you know how did 7700 do on p775dm3? If this setup was good i suspect should be good as well with 8700

 

I do not know. I have not been interested in CPUs like that since first generation Core i7 unlocked XM, K and X processors were released. Personally, I would never consider one, but that is because my expectations are different, not because they are bad products.

 

Get rid of the Alienware mess while you can. Then opt for P870TM with single 1080. If single graphics is what you want and are within budget. Buy it from @Prema partner. F.eks @Donald@HIDevolution Who have high standing and will help you out. Need a laptop now... buy a cheap $129 Joke while you waiting on the new Clevo’s and you already have sold your AWbook. Start today!!

Equal crippled physics scores. As stated in previous post. Either temp, or power throttling. The scores is all too low from 8700K

 

Thanks, Mr. Fox. I have one right now.

Going with a 15" model this time (hence the P7 series). I'd be happy to get one as soon as I sort things on my end. My iPad will probably suffice for the next couple of months.

OT: If anyone can help me buy M18x R1 GPU upgrades, then I would be very thankful.

EDIT: Got initially approved for a return. I'll have to go through the process now.
I mean, the person getting this unit from a refurb sale will be okay. I guess. Temps are waaay better than stock plus it has better thermal paste/pads now.

 

You have a new P7 with 8700K? Please share the performance and temps with us. We would all like to know if it cools better with the separated CPU and GPU heat sinks.

Please update your signature also.

2920XM or 2960XM with 3-pipe CPU heat sink and 780M SLI will breath new life into the M18xR1. It will not be possible to achieve current generation graphics performance. It was an amazing product and it is sad the current generation GPUs will not work with LVDS output. Maybe @Khenglish can provide some information if you can convert it to eDP output, and then you might be able to use 980M SLI. Upgrading to 980M SLI will give you graphics performance that is about the same (or better with overclocking) as a single 1070.

 

@Vaeron probably talk about the AW Echo Junk Tripod Book. Space heater fits very well
i7-8700 with 65w TDP will work very well in P7xx series.

 

Sorry for the confusion! Yes, I was referring to my AW 15 R3 that I've had to open at a ridiculous rate within this month because of repastes, repads, and minor part replacements.

EDIT: I'm mostly looking into having a 780M SLI then the CPU upgrade. Later on, maybe an LCD replacement because I've been using it where there's a 4-pixel long black dirt in the middle. I know it's dirt because you can still see it when the laptop is off.

 

If more people have been equal smart... Maybe Dellienware finally has realized that they push out pure Trash. Only less sales, returns for refund or no sales can force changes!! This is the way market works. None business can survive if their products don’t appeal to the buyers.

 

Assuming that SLI scaling is working of course.

 

And, when it doesn't it's not 980M SLI's fault. It's the incompetence of whatever developer half-assed their software to market without proper attention to SLI scaling. I won't blame SLI for the incompetence of those losers.

 

That or some effects like relying on data from the previous frame, really I think AMD/Nvidia need to step up how their GPUs are connected. Something like a 16x infinity fabric link would help.

 

Yes, I agree. They all need to step up their games.

Mr. Fox Guy Fawkes say, "Everyone be safe on this all hallow's eve. Treats are nice, but watch out for the tricks."

 

I wonder if it's a bug in the early test BIOS or Clevo deliberately set 100 MHz less turbo?
Well delid is mandatory anyway and since it is a K CPU it can be manually "fixed" with some tweaking in the Clevo Control Center

 

None know. But regarding what you say about "Clevo deliberately set 100 MHz less turbo?". Mind you unlocked Coffee default is 4.3Ghz all 6 cores or 4,7GHz for single core. The tested P7xx run near 4.39GHz. Hence the clocks ain't bird or fish. The same for the physics scores.

 

Anyone know if these new p7xxtm use the same cooling system as previous gen p7xxdm3?

 

I'd be suprised if they did, it won't be much better tho. I lost all hope when it comes to clevos cooling solutions.

 

Info for you!!

 

I am actually the most interested in them P870TM1 because it feels as if the heatsink travels the least distance, which means that the colling should be the most efficient there .

 

I don't think that's accurate. Correct me if I'm wrong with facts, am rather interested in these topics tbh.

 

The heatsink seems shorter. Doesn't this mean that there is less heat accumulation / heat reserve, and that the cooling is more efficient, than if it were a long heatsink?

My basic understanding is that heat must travel through longer heatsinks, and no matter what materials the heatsink is made of, it is still not a perfect conductor, so the shorter the path is to the cooler, the more efficient the cooler should be, in this case, the fans.

 

No, because the heat is tranfered with some kind of liquid, to be honest I think it's almost the other way round, since there is more that can absorb the heat.


here is a video showcasing the difference between just copper and a heatpipe. (go to 1:10)

 

Think about it the other way around.

You don't want it to absorb the heat, cooper and heatsinks heat really fast, it is important how efficiently you can cool them off, not how much heat they absorb. The whole CPU is a few milimeters wide, all the heat in the heatsink comes from that area. If you can transfer all the heat form that to a proper coolant, it'd be enougj.

 

Interesting thanks. Hopefully since cpu and gpu is not shared this time will have better temps. Theoretically i could be able to take out gpu and its heatsinks and use integrated graphics right? I need mostly for coding nongraphic work and woukd like make it lighter and free up pcie lanes for nvme drives

 

Nope, thre is no iGPU, only works with dedicated GPU.

 

No, you gotta think about the more heat you can absorb the better as well. Both heatsink size and fans are important. As you can see the heatpipes are very efficient at tranfering the heat, having longer heatpipes allows for a bigger heatsink and allows the cool off if you have some sort of airflow in the system. Honestly airflow is the one thing that actually makes the temp rise so much more than anything else. I made a little airflow system in my P157SM notebook which improved my temps by 20c. Yes, 20c, it's that insane in some notebooks.

@Hollo321
there are clevo notebooks out there, which offers medium end graphics solutions like a 1050 with a desktop CPU, you might want to look at one of those.

The Clevo N650DU would be something u'd like, obviously in coffee lake edition, I'll tell you this tho, temps might be an issue.