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    New Clevos with Coffee Lake-S are here, P870TM, P775TM, P751TM

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by poorgreeklover, Oct 5, 2017.

  1. GameServ

    GameServ Notebook Consultant

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    I'll be sure to...
     
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  2. GameServ

    GameServ Notebook Consultant

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    THX FOX!!! I'll let you know how I make out...
     
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  3. Mr. Fox

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    Cool! Looking forward to that. Also want to see you overclocking the crap out of that bad boy.

    This is your target: 19830 Physics score in 3DMark 11. https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12506167

    With 1080 SLI you should be able to squeeze a better Graphics score out of it than a single desktop 1080 Ti.

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    https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12506179
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  4. cj_miranda23

    cj_miranda23 Notebook Evangelist

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    Hello @Mr. Fox your score is way better in comparison on Eurocom Sky X9C with GTX 1080 SLI and 8700K. http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...70tm-g-owners-lounge-phoenix-4.809589/page-24. Is that a normal result?

    https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12519970
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    Alonclake Notebook Enthusiast

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    aaronne Notebook Evangelist

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    The @Mr. Fox score is where is supposed to be, is the EUROCOM's one that's not brilliant. (hey but is a desktop Vs. laptop!)

    For your comparison here my old 4930K at 4500Mhz and a 7970Ghz ed.

    https://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/12519970/3dm11/8076847#

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    So I think the EUROCOM laptop wrong report 8700K clocks, because the score is not right for 4,7Ghz on 6c/12t (maybe is 4,3Ghz or 4,4Ghz on all cores)
     
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    temp00876 Notebook Evangelist

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    The Eurocom laptop is running W10 and at stock I believe
     
  8. Mr. Fox

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    Yes, as @dspboys said, stock vs overclocking and W10 versus W7 are both tilted massively in favor of my score. And, as @aaronne said, desktop vs laptop. Liquid cooling of CPU and GPU also. The laptop does not have a @Prema BIOS, so unless or until that gets fixed, it will never run at full potential. We also do not know at what level Clevo has decided to cap off the power and voltage. Depending on what they have done this go 'round with power and voltage and thermal management limits, how much headroom it has for overclocking is all unknown at this time.

    Caveat emptor.
     
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  9. Meaker@Sager

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    Liquid cooling can really get you a lot of headroom due to the 50C or so lower temps you can get.
     
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    Yeah, absolutely. Even with a massive overclock, I almost never see temps above 50°C on my 1080 Ti with the EVGA hybrid cooler. It does an amazing job, and with temps at 50°C or less the GPU boost actually works correctly. At "normal" temperatures, Pascal is somewhat of a broken product that fails to function as advertised. Pascal GPUs very seldom function at full boost clocks during normal use when reaching normal air cooled temperatures. If they worked correctly, boost clocks would hold until at least 85°C before they start to drop.
     
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  11. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    The max boost clock is not advertised but the minimum boost.

    A chip that gets more out of itself on water than air is not broken but working as intended. In terms of ease of use for most people it's pretty impressive.
     
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    I totally get what you're saying, but it's still not an excuse for it to "throttle" at normal operating temperatures. That part is just stupid, and there is no good excuse for it other than engineering retardness. The problem here is the "as intended" element is an undesirable one. Making it difficult to flash modded firmware the corrects the undesirable behavior is also inexcusable and diabolical.

    It should run full blast without wavering whenever you want it to, unless it is getting too hot and needs to be throttled to prevent damage. You can always use the Optimal or Adaptive profile in NVCP if you want it to perform at a lower level and behave erratically in terms of clock speeds.
     
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    The problem then is you get less graceful drop off points as the card suddenly has to drop the clocks/frequencies which again is not great for you average Joe.

    I guess what you are after is more of a "disable turbo boost" functionality.
     
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    Hello guys !

    Looking for a bit of advice here :

    I am planning on upgrading my P870DM-G with an P870TM-GS that will have 1 x Nvidia 1080 , 8700k i7, 4k display IPS 60hz, 2x16gb, wifi 9260, SSD storage.

    I am mainly concern about the temps and the noise... mostly CPU temps after I read this thread as the seller will not delid the CPU and I don't think If I have it in me to do it and c*ap on the warranty from day 1. The noise of my P870DM-G is decent but I don't know If I can have a machine that will be twice as loud to be honest.

    I would like to hear your thoughts on this... good or bad !

    Thank you !
     
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    There are few things to consider in order to keep "noise" level down:
    1/ use dual vapor chamber GPU heatsink for your GPU
    2/ delid CPU and use RockIT
    3/ use 8086K instead of 8700K
    4/ use Grizzly or better thermal paste for both GPU and CPU
    5/ verify bottom case air flow and adjust if needed.
    This should keep your P870TM1 running cooler.
     
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    Its an interesting time to pick to upgrade, any reason why now? You are only one you generation behind.
     
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