New batch of Clevo notebooks for 2015-2016 wishes/expectations?

Its up to skylake to show us these improvements now plus dx12 is releasing as well. Now is the time for less talk and more action from the companies. My cpu may not be as technically fast as it was 5y ago but it still gets the job done. My gpu on the other hand is not getting as many jobs done. The gpu in notebooks has always been the weakest link.

 

This is a relative and mostly-pointless statement. Performance on a bench is the only real way to go about determining things. What performance is fine for you is different from whether or not it's good. For example: my mother can more than make do with an APU for all her system needs. It doesn't mean the APU is a good CPU by any stretch of the imagination, and changing the CPU to a stronger one *WOULD* help greatly what she does, but it still stands to reason that the APU is "enough" for her or "gets the job done".

 

Wishes

• Infinity display like in XPS 13. Imagine a 17" screen in 15.6 body P750ZM/DM
• Intel wigig / RealSense options... Its 2015
• Some sort of Clevo desktop dock
• iOS /Android /WP Apps for wake up on lan sort of option

 

More fan profiles would be nice, and some fan control software like Aorus offers.

 

You know just for diplomacy the first sentence you made here could have been skipped.

 

Have to agree with D2 there.. Your comment was pretty pointless...

 

My brain doesn't work like that.

 

So let me get this straight every comment I make has to have a deep meaningful lesson ? Nobody really asked you and it would have been best if you stayed out of it actually if you have nothing good to say to a person then say nothing.

Hopefully one day it will.

 

Why is that hopefully? I quite like the way I cut out political correctness and just be to the point with the points I have to make. Relative statements, like opinions, are useless in discussions about facts. When speculation or opinion is discussed, then they're fine. If the discussion was about what's enough CPU power for most users, then your statement would have held water. But it was strictly comparing the power of different architectures. Whether or not they were good or bad for certain people is pointless to that comparison.

 

Can we start on topic and not have an argument break out?

 

A few more things I've thought of, after trying to rip the case off my HP DV6-<can't remember the numbers but model is way obsolete>TX.
* An easily removable case so you can vacuum the dust/toast crumbs/cat hair out of the fans. Maybe even replaceable fans!
* 2 physical NICs, or at least an option for 2. Handy for labs involving multiple virtual machines. Admittedly, this would be a luxury.
* A keyboard that's nice to type on. I realise this is very subjective, but a decent amount of travel on the keys is a must. I just can't type on a touchscreen.
* I don't really understand the Optimus discussion, but on my HP (switchable GPU/integrated (Intel) graphics), if it wasn't for Leshcat labs 3rd party drivers, I'd be stuck with the junk drivers supplied with HP and the 6-daily blue screens of death. Switchable sounds like a great idea but adds another layer of FAIL into the usually precarious driver situation. So ?? no switchable GPU.
* 5.1 audio, a line-in and optical-out for the sound module. Audio seems to be a real afterthought on laptops.

All of this would be much easier and cheaper in a desktop of course, but if I wanted a desktop, I wouldn't be here nagging Clevo

 

Already standard
I don't think this would work. It would require too much extra space for the form factors. An external NIC is already something you can use, as is Ethernet and Wireless two different things.
Subjective it is, but the current keyboards don't suck though.
Already exists for the P7xxZM models and any SLI model.
5.1 internal audio is difficult. I don't know about optical out and line in, but most of these have headset in, microphone in (doubles as center speaker out), S/PDIF out and another jack I forget what it does, but it doubles as rear speakers out. I know 5.1 external audio is indeed possible, and has been since my D900F in 2009.

 

Computex 2015 is underway and new info on clevo models should be on the way pretty soon. To those of you who are hanging in there waiting for info and curious what new models will be shipping out I urge ya to keep checking here.

 

HDMI in could be funny

 

http://www.pcgamer.com/g-sync-coming-to-gaming-laptops-also-updated-to-support-windowed-mode/
New Gsync notebooks revealed
— Clevo P770ZM-G: 970M/980M, 17.3-inch 1080p panel
— Clevo P750GM-Z: 970M/980M, 15.6-inch, 4K panel

More info on the way so hang on kids...

 

Lemme guess...the Skylake refresh will be called P750DM-Z and made in North Korea by Kim Jong-un's slave laborers

 

Always these futuristic slim gaming notebooks on the pictures from Nvidia, but when you look for these, you can only find bold and chunky ones...

 

I have seen g-sync on my friends monitor and I mean I guess its nice but I was not that impressed to me it almost looked like vsync but I did only check it out for a few minutes so maybe its better than what I saw...I dunno

 

You have to feel it too. There is no input lag, FPS drop, or judder like V-Sync.

 

There are some nvidia gpu laptops that are slim that you can get now if you wanted from clevo and other companies but of course not as thin as portrayed in ads. Just worth noting that according to many testers here its found that adequate cooling is often sacrificed for those thin chassis.

 

Yah if it's thin obviously they won't beable to include normal cooling they use nowadays now maybe if there was a new way to cool these high pro laptops then they could make them thinner without over heating but we need some new way of cooling would be interesting to research


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The thin machines would want to use optimus anyway which rules out G-Sync.

 

Here in case someone is interested in Clevo's Computex Booth:

http://forum.techinferno.com/clevo/10143-computex-2015-frequently-updated.html

 

I see there is a P375SM-A, i thought the SM-A was EOL?

 

P1xxSM-A are EOL since the P7xxZM replaced them.
P3xxSM-A will be EOL only once it gets its SLI replacement.

 

Off course. Brainfart regarding SLI-models.

 

Thanks for the update I think everyone here is interested, the new boards with thunderbolt 3 look pretty neat especially since its releasing this year. I can hardly wait for in depth tech previews of all the new machines and I hope to see some of these notebooks in action and as well as some price tags so we get an idea how much all this will cost.

 

sorry what does EOL mean? lol thanks

 

EOL= End Of Life. Discontinued models...

 

It will be interesting to see if TB3 gets some decent peripherals that use it.

 

Really excited for these new machines, the very powerful and latest !!

 

USB 3 type c peripherals will be compatible anyway (use the same plug). Only other consumer usecase for that kinda bandwidth is eGPU ?

 

Read the Post from Prema in the other forum. Trying to wrap my head around it trying to get a timeframe and features...
New P750ZM-G and P770ZM-G = G-Sync + Broadwell support

No mention of the Skylake models other than they will be launching with TB3 models later.

Are the ZM-G models releasing Q3 or are we looking at Q4?

 

Yeah, that would be helpful for eGPU to be able to use an external port, instead of having to hook up to to something internally. Also, just large file transfers would benefit from faster speeds obviously (like if someone has a 4k camera or external SSD).

 

The ZM-G is available now with Haswell. Sager NP97x3
http://www.lpc-digital.com/sager-np9773.html

 

I've seen that model long back. That's not new, no SLI capability but has the 980M. I want Dual 980 SLI + Desktop CPU

 

How long is long back, 3 days? The "G" version is new. October for the SLI + Desktop CPU

 

ouch, gonna be a long wait for me. I hope they will have Skylake Desktop CPUs in October rather than Hotwell CPUs

 

Yes, Skylake, X99

 

Wishlist for Clevo barebones are:
1. Better build quality
2. Better quality assurance and checks.
3. Unified BIOS, EC, Firmware releases

 

That's not even a thing...Skylake uses 100 series chipset.

 

Agreed completely. They really need to work on their cooling too...

 

I like the ideas some of you are posting and I appreciate the feedback this thread is receiving. I want quite a bit of things myself but I'm learning from your posts at the same time which is pretty cool. I think the unified bios and stable firmware is of utmost importance and helps the stability of the machine in the long run. Ideas like that involve almost no additional parts and keeps the costs down.The one thing that worries me is that some of you want some really fancy things which is not a bad thing as long as there are several options to make those things for some who demand the best and are willing to pay while allowing others to budget and build a notebook to their specific needs as well.

With that said I can't stress enough how important user options and user specific features and upgrade choices are. Without a variety of choices and upgrade paths the Clevo brands wont be unique and would end up being like most the other brands.As long as we still have control over some options like screens and keyboards or other things I think it should be a successful venue for vendors and consumers alike.

The questions remain and the saga continues ... I hope to see some public confirmed release dates and prices on the next DM aka (batman 2.0) models. I have to be very honest I am hoping the DM desktop cpu single gpu notebooks will have less expensive screen options like the original zm had. The gsync version is a couple of hundred dollars more expensive than it needs to be and I hope the dm 4k screens or ips are not mandatory. I always love the choice and bang for the buck so this has me concerned.

My ideal set up for late 2015-2016 currently is:
-The next line of skylake boards for the zm notebook model aka (batman 2.0 ).
-A fresh clean version of windows x (no hassle of upgrading from win 8).
-To have a 9oom card or even the next maxwell refresh if available.
- a single thunderbolt 3 port for fast large data transfer rates and maybe later on in the future for external gpu docking.
- A basic lesser priced 1080p screen
-And a price comparable to the existing zm machine at about $1500/1600 base low end.

If I am missing any one of the above features I think ill just build a desktop and wait for mobile versions of skylake/cannonlake.



Finally:
My question to the many readers are what would be your ideal set up in the same format I did? I want to see what builds people really want and in a specific way so can some of you list them? Even if your not planing to buy right away I want to see what specific set up builds you would want from clevo.


Thanks for reading pals

 

I think their current high end models don't have any cooling issues, but there's always room for improvement. Especially in making sure the heatsinks are properly made. I don't think anybody would complain for $30 extra and a guarantee of proper heatsinks.

Might save them money in the long run in replacement heatsinks too.

 

Wouldn't faulty and/or heatsinks that aren't flat affect cooling? xP

 

Well, the cooling design being improved is one thing, and the heatsinks not being created (mostly) equal is another. Legacy AWs came pretty much all great with their heatsinks, and I'm certain MSI and ASUS do as well. As n=1 found out Clevo's cooling could be top notch if they made sure their heatsinks were proper, as their fans are among the best.

 

Again... They need to improve their cooling. You just said it yourself. If they would fix their cooling, they wouldn't have 60+dB fan noise required to keep the temps down...

 

Eh I don't mind the fans. I mean it's all well and good if we can do it on auto, but on max... now that's the place for us hot country users and overclockers =D

 

I'll chime in here. I agree the main issue is quality control/assurance. The second heatsink I bought (long story) was not true. It was concave in the cpu contact area. Now that I fully understand how it was made for adjustments, it is a great design. But if there is not uniformity in construction, you have a lot of variability in user experience. The fans could use a better EC. Other than that, a person would be hard pressed to find fans with the flow rate and static pressure rating that Clevo purchases (I've looked). The decibel rating comes as the compromise for a blower style fan. With that said, I would like to see incorporation of advanced cooling tech such as K-core metal which surrounds pyrolytic graphite with the metal of choice (in our case copper). In addition, finding heat pipes and fins to quickly absorb and dissipate heat. Even in the event of an extra $80-100 per heatsink in the overclocking/enthusiast gaming machines, this group would gladly pay the extra if it meant no mods were needed to achieve a better overclock with desktop components. We pay the premium for the product for a reason.

Edit: for example, most aluminium laptop heatsink for Clevo resell for$20-45, copper is $45-65. These do not include shipping and you need one per cpu and gpu. The new design costs $89 each and seem more capable on heat. If you added the $30 premium mentioned, it brings the cost to around what it used to cost for cooling. Now, if the leading edge tech for cooling is incorporated, and if the cooling can justify the additional cost by allowing a fair bit more headroom for heat, enthusiasts would love it. OC desktop CPUs in laptops without mods or be able to handle 145 watt chips (think extreme edition chips and Xeon e5 2600 chips, etc.). This would be the road to mobile serverd.