Next Gen Clevo

I was hoping to see an improved W110er with better cooling, GDDR5, an option for no optimus, and bios that don't treat me like I'm a toddler.

 

Yes I was hoping to see a option to disable optimus in bios

 

Optimus requires hardware support for switching (MUXes connected to EVERY display output) and not just bios support.

Clevo wont be changing their bios options any time soon.

 

What's wrong with Optimus? Enduro is the POS that needs ability to be disabled.

 

Optimus still has a performance hit of 3-5%.

 

Ideally, if the display hardware can switch input on the fly we would have no more issues with whatever GPU out there.

 

That would also help with thunderbolt implementations but it would require some very difficult coding and hardware designs, microsoft is still having trouble with it.

 

Manual.
Graphics.
Switching.

And don't tell me its too hard to implement. Im not going to believe it.
For some reason, they just dont want to implement it.

 

The one and only thing that's making me think about going over to Alienware, assuming their M17x R5 still retains the functionality.

This will be my first laptop which even uses the IGP, and I want to make the decision on when myself.

Oh wait, the Aliienware BIOS being so much more free is also enticing. Clevo won't be top dog until they open that up to its customers. Overclocking should be standard by now.

 

I think decent eGPU will happen before perfect graphics switching and will take a bite of it. Especially when properly integrated Thunderbolt arrives.

 

If proper integrated thunderbolt arrives, both AMD and Nvidia want incompatible methods.

 

Do you mean AMD and nVidia want methods that are incompatible with each other and thus thunderbolt may never properly arrive?

 

Yeah they are having trouble with hotplug (no kidding, try to handle yanking graphics card off the pci slot in the middle of its rendering the game), but I am not too miffed to live without hotplugging - its not too big trouble to reboot laptop just once when I dock/undock - and with this it works even now. Its not like I am docking/undocking all the time.
By integrated thunderbolt I meant something more akin they made to USB 3.0 Sandy => Ivy bridge. Thunderbolt support becomes integrated with chipset, which removes problems with "external" chip support and also give you max speeds.

 

Just have seen this. Probably would be a good idea to be pretty careful of first Haswell builds, and there is uncertainty when they actually will arrive.

Intel to Launch Core i “Haswell” Platform in “Cautious Volumes” Because of USB 3.0 Issues – Analyst

Apparently they are not confident about making a software fix.

 

If the only downside is that sleeping and waking back up with items attached to USB 3 ports may be a little problematic, then that's fine for me. When I put my machine to sleep I usually disconnect everything as it's then I'll be taking it for travel.

 

Not an option for me, as I use USB 3.0 hub to dock my laptop when on desk and use sleep mode for instant on.

 

Then you just have to wait a month or two for the fixed revision

 

They'll get my money only if they have full unlocked bios, and if the sound is good ( give me the same as msi ! ).

 

What's so good about MSI's sound?

 

msi machines have been known to get pretty good review ratings when it comes to their sound systems.

@edryr: would u be willing to pay the same astronomical prices as for alienware machines? i guess thats what it would take for clevo to provide us with fully unlocked bios options

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I thought of buying MSI at some point, but they still don't have DVI or DisplayPort, which is a bit preposterous, so you can't use decent desktop monitor with them.

 

The chunky laptop would look good with regular keyboard backlight. The car lights and the nasty logo really kills the deal (in my opinion). The 13 inch model looks good. I hope it has a backlight and dual rear vents. Now that would be awesome.

 

It aint got backlight, its based on the previous W-series (like my W370ET) and has zero flash in it.

 

The W230ST has backlit keyboard:



:hi2:

 

Pardon, but what in that picture proves the keyboard has backlighting?

 

Don't think it costs that much to unlock a bios. And even if i have to drop 100 more $, then ok.
But still, the sound on P150/170 was their biggest failure for the use i have. That's why i kept my msi and sold my 170em. The sound was just unbearable compared to msi.

 

It's a bad pic, but it's listed as having an illuminated keyboard... too bad Intel pushed it back to June...once again


EDIT:

Don't know if these have all been posted here, yet?

 

Fan vent on the side?

 

its not the unlocking per se, but rather the added risk of customers rma'ing their machines due to bricking them by playing around with the unlocked bios options those cost would find themselves on the price tag of the laptops, naturally...

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So when's the expected release of the P375SM? I'm a bit confused on what's been going on with Intel and Haswell.

 

three different release dates to consider: one for the nextgen clevos (sometime before june?probably same as haswell), one for haswell (june/july) and one for the nextgen gpus by nvidia/amd (Q4/october?)

 

GPUs coming in fall/winter>>????
Okay.

 

Desktop GPUs might be seen in Q4, but mobiles are 2014 right now.

 

No mobile power-revision chances?

 

What's the story with MXM? How long will mobile GPUs continue support MXM 3.0b? If you were to buy a new laptop in the next few months, should there be concern you wouldn't be able to upgrade the GPU 2 or 3 years down the road? And when will Intel chipsets start supporting DDR4 RAM?

What's so frustrating about technology is there's always something down the road. The problem is you occasionally have new things that are must have that are worth waiting for, like DDR4 memory, and sometimes there's a generation of GPU that is a real improvement over the last, that's more than just a slight upgrade. I wish it were more consistent and you could really get a sense of when the next generation is coming, rather than current gen and a half.

I'm hoping to get a new laptop in the next few months, but I'm trying to figure out when it would be the wisest.

 

Waiting for the next best thing will see you never buy anything. If you're getting a laptop after the middle of the year or so, I'd say a haswell-refreshed machine will be great. It also depends on how necessary it is. If you're in need of it asap like I am (as my GPU crashes a bunch, the keyboard is broken, it has no battery life, it gets hotter than before despite my best efforts at cleaning, I need it overvolted on the GPU to keep stock clocks, and I can go on) then as long as the upgrade/new tech you want to get is not longer than 2 weeks from when you wish to buy your machine (give or take a couple days), I would say waiting is plausible. If it's over 3 weeks to a month or longer, I would not wait. What's already here is not by any means weak, and you won't need to worry about playing things years down the line unless they have a kepler-over-fermi level of advancement, which is VERY unlikely (and games would need to advance enough that the aforementioned huge advancements are only JUST good enough to play them, which is also unlikely).

If you CAN wait and it isn't something pressing to get a new one, maybe a month or so? I wouldn't wait for a couple months if I could buy it. But it depends on you.

 

the current mxm revision is 3.1 and NOT 3.0b, although these two are compatible with each other 3.1 was introduced shortly before ivy bridge/currentgen gpus, thus i highly doubt were gonna see a new revision anytime soon.

the only difference between 3.1 and 3.0b is pci-e 3.0 btw.

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New Clevo models should have MXM 3.1 . There is also the possibility of a TDP increase from 100W to 110-115W for upcoming mobile GPUs.
MXM 3.1 can provide up to 120W.

At this point I am fairly certain there are a bunch of Nvidia 780Ms flying around as engineering samples so... hints might be given.

 

The next generation of mobile GPU tech is clearly slated for next year, so that gives you the goal post to measure against your patience. This year we likely see a 20% gain over the 680M, while in next the leap will be double its performance.

When you buy, do so assuming you'll never be able to upgrade the CPU or GPU to any future generations. So max out your GPU budget today. That's the only winning strategy.

But DDR4 definitely isn't worth waiting for, nor was DDR3.

 

@jaybee, are you talking about the Maxwell GPU's or the Kepler rebrand/fresh? I was under the impression that the mid-high 700 series would start being pushed this summer and that the Maxwell (800's) chips seeing 2014.

 

kepler refresh. its all rumors still,but it looks like this year's gpus will come out much later than in the previous years.

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Can anyone give some source?

I didn´t find anything about the rumors at notebookcheck.de/ notebookjournal.de etc., even with Google I didn´t have much luck...

 

that was based on a report originally published by sweclockers and cited by numerous sites such as tomshardware:

http://m.tomshardware.com/news/Radeon-GeForce-Delay-GPU-Next-Generation,20838.html

here is the original source (use google translate):

http://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/16480-nasta-generation-geforce-och-radeon-skjuts-upp-till-q4-2013

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Thanks!
Hm, they don´t say WHY it could be delayed... hopefully we will find out more soon...

 

yea as i said, so far its just rumors,nothing really specific to go on...well see!

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This was posted on a few hardware sites (AMD side of things)

 

Well this is what SweClockers is reporting, today. GTX 780, trimmed down GK110, ETA July/August of this year. Google translate.

 

interesting, thanks for the link

but that still only pertains to the desktop flagship. based on experience, midrange cards, from which the mobile flagships are derived, take a few months longer to appear, thus putting it again into the 4th quarter...

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Just fyi, it's only the desktop AMD parts that are stagnant. The new mobile parts are on schedule. See: AnandTech | AMD Reiterates 2013 GPU Plans: Sea Islands & Beyond

Also, mobile kepler launched before desktop kepler.

 

nice article, havent seen that one yet good to know that there is something new coming out!

altho its not correct that mobile kepler came out before desktop. 680 came in march '12, whereas the 680m was released in june '12.

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