Next Gen Clevo

The will definitely make it. whats got me wondering is that the 780M = 680MX no? I thought that was what everyone was saying with the same amount of cuda cores etc..

 

Dun'no... I'm just going off the chart they have. Due to how empty the pages are it's listing might change once some of the information gets populated. Right now there is no Pipeline/Shader information although they are guessing there might be more shader and higher clock counts with an estimated 30% increase over the 680M.

 

Can't see why not. Win 8 is a dog without touch. Asus already announced 2 hybrids using a 18.4" screen running either win 8 or android.

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Because putting finger prints all over your gaming display seems a rather odd choice.

Also 780M is likely a slightly downclocked 680MX or with low voltage memory.

 

Where did you get that info? My Google-fu is turn'n up nothin.

 

Induction, same process, same core, slight tweaks do not make a 20% reduction in power.

We may see the introduction of the new power technology but that does not really help the TDP.

There is maybe room to have the 680M but with full voltage memory, or keep the low voltage memory (maybe some slightly faster stuff) and unlock all units.

 

Thanks for the info Meaker. My head is now jello and my eyes have gone crossed... will look forward to benchmarks and pricing this summer to see how the refreshes measure up in the price/performance ratio department.

 

My job here is done lol.

But it's not going to be leagues apart.

 

Lol... Anyhow the option would be a nice and not all Clevos are hard core gaming machines.

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Not all of them no, but I doubt we will see it in their gaming machines. Adding that extra touch layer itself reduces image quality and then you get your finger prints on it, seems counter intuitive to me, i'd rather adapt the software back to the hardware rather than make compromises on the hardware to match up with the software.

 

word, i for one am pretty anal when it comes to keeping my display clean, i always warn people trying to point out smth on my machine NOT to touch the screen!

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If there's a power optimization of a little bit such that the 680MX = 780M but with the power drain/heat output of the current 680M (4GB options for the 780 and the current 680 of course) then I would say that's perfectly fine in itself. The 680MX is actually REALLY good, especially for a laptop card (better memory than the 660Ti and 90% of the core power of the 660Ti and 670) so one of those is not going to be taxed out anytime soon, far less two. I'll actually be surprised if the 780M beats a 680MX.

 

The thing is this process is not as borked as 40nm was so there is not as much to improve on.

 

i hope so ! :thumbsup:

 

those AW-mutants are 100% no go.
personally, I am waiting to see if P150SM can use AMD GPU without enduro (which is exactly what we want to borrow from AW, not the stupid flashy look).
The new powerfull processor and GPU might put extra-strain on cooling system in current Clevo design, hope to be surprised but preparing to buy meters and meters of aluminum foil

 

There will be no such thing as "extra strain on the cooling system".

 

Clevo's cooling system beats most cheap desktops' own... I highly doubt a revision would tax any kind of plenty.

 

haha the new "flashy" models look terrible, what was clevo thinking? I am no laptop chasis designer but please hire me, I would do a waaaaayyy better job, what a joke... thank the gods they still have the good old "classic" models .

 

I think its good for them to give people a choice, especially if they find a way to modularize (e.g. share motherboard and other bits like screen, keyboard, etc), replacing just case panels. This will lead to wider brand adoption, as long as they don't kill the classic looks.

 

Hey guys check this out Laptop - Clevo P177SM. Can anyone confirm if this is real or not.

 

I think half of the info could be real... most of it probably is not.

 

Choice is always a good thing, what i meant was damn it's ugly... I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but still, I cant imagine someone thinking "man I got to get me one of those it is sooooo sexy" lol even saying it sounds wrong . ^^

As for the link you posted, that model looks nicer than the other models we were shown (track pad aside) It would be nice to have an all aluminium chasis on a clevo, if it's true. I wonder if they will make one without the fugly tribal lights .

 

they also have
mobilator.pl | Laptop - Clevo P157SM | CLEVO Powerful Notebooks

 

2888 cuda cores, 384bit mem interface, 50-55% faster than a 680m? i somehow doubt that...@780m

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It's not feasible because without a major architecture change or a die process shrink, you're not going to be able to essentially shove two 680M's into a single die and keep within the TDP limits. If the information was true, this GPU would essentially be a a mobile Geforce GTX with less memory bandwidth, and that's a 250 watt GPU all by itself. MXM 3.0 white sheet specification limits the port to 100 watts.

 

40nm to 28nm is"die shrink". There are also architecture improvements.

 

Lol, maybe nVidia has 5 Aces up their sleeve if the 780m have 2888 cores .

 

4870M > 5870M = 55 nm to 40 nm.
5870M > 6970M = Same architecture, extra set of SIMD unlocked and re-distributed. TDP increased to 75 watts but still within specifications.
6970M > 7970M = 40 nm to 28 nm, new GCN architecture. Die shrink compensated new GPU's extra SPs and kept the rated TDP to 75 watts.

 

I think they mistakenly took some rumored specs for the desktop GTX 780, and applied them to the GTX 780M. That's the only way it makes sense.

edit: in fact, change the first 8 to a 6, and you have the specs to the Geforce Titan. Move along, nothing to see here.

 

Its the full GK110 they are refering to, 2880 cores. GTX Titan (was called 780 before) have 2688 cores (1SMX disabled).




There are some other interesting things in that article though:

Clevo owners also get Raid0 card now. I have that in my MSI GT70, and it let you raid two mSATA SSDs together. Doesn`t take much room (less than 1SSD) but you get crazy speeds.

illuminated touchpad - Don`t know if that was in Clevo`s before, but that looks really cool

Sound Blaster X-Fi MB3 soundcard. Great sound and way better than onboard audio!

GTX 780M - 1536 cores, 15-20% faster than GTX 680M (rumored).

Haswell - 10-15% faster clock for clock than Ivy Bridge

This is looking pretty good if you ask me

 

All I want is Mythlogic to get it and I know what my next PC will be.

Raid 0 mSata
Raid 1 HDD
GTX 780

Let's do eeeet

 

I think they took the info down. The links take me to blank pages all of a sudden.

 

Its down but google have temporarily cached it.

mobilator.pl | Laptop - Clevo P157SM | CLEVO Powerful Notebooks

 

I guess they accidentally put their pages up during the NDAs period.

Can someone explain this quote for me:

"The Clevo P157SM addition there is an alternative of installing two DDR3 DIMMs, which are usually used in ordinary desktop computers. This is possible by using the processor core 4."

I know something is being lost in translation, but is this saying we can install desktop RAM, but it's limited to two DIMMs? Can't be, right?

 

Yea thats something being lost in translation, what he was trying to say, don't know yet.. but that wasn't it. =)

 

I read it as you can use either notebook RAM or actual Desktop RAM but not both at the same time. Something the 4th Gen Intel chips support?
I remember a few years back desktop mobo's could support DDR or DDR2 but not both at the same time.

 

Those specs ... are crazy!
Can't wait... the things I could do with that notebook...

 

I can't believe people actually think it could be a gk110. lol The gtx Titan is a 250W card. Not to mention the 384bit bus would need a completely new mxm format. Not even maxwell mobile gpu's will have 7 billion transistors.

The 780m's gonna be a re badged 680mx........if we're lucky.

 

If we're very very lucky. Two of those should carry me through two generations at least.

 

Well basically two of those together if you overclock them would be equal to a 690 but they'd also have the advantage of having 4gb ram for each gpu so they'd actually be more future proof than a 690.

As of now this is of course only speculation. I wouldn't be surprised at all if nvidia just unlocked the core and left us with the crappy low bandwidth vram.

 

Eh a 690 with more RAM sounds nice to me =P. But still, it's mainly the RAM I'm worried about. I wouldn't be ocing the core of my GPUs when I get my machine, those should be strong enough I think. The memory is all I'd be concerned about. At least get it to a 4Gb/s bandwidth =P. But if it's rebadged 680MX cards I wouldn't need it, 5Gb/s bandwidth will eat up everything =D. Also, were there some posts deleted? I SWEAR this had 20 pages earlier today.

 

A little stock voltage overclocking doesn't hurt anything. Even on stock voltage if you overclocked to 850 on the core and 1500 on the memory you'd have desktop 670 sli performance. More than good enough for any game.

 

I OV'd and OC'd my 280M and it can't hold anything above stock clocks now, and still needs the OV. I was hoping to leave things as close to stock as I could with my next machine, as I'd definitely get as long as possible out of it that way. I've got no idea when I'll be able to upgrade after this one XD.

 

These cores are the same ones they use in desktops. They're designed to hold significantly higher clocks than they're running at in the mobile systems. The 280m is very old tech. 4 years old. You can't compare it to these new gpu's. Things have come a looong way since than. Like I said. Stock voltage overclocks pose absolutely no threat to the hardware.

 

Well I'll think about it and see then I suppose. I know my tech is old, but I had felt like if I didn't need an OC I wouldn't do it, basically. Anyway, once I get it we shall see.

 

Did you mean 4/5GB VRAM size? The 680MX has 1280 Gb/s (160 GB/s) bandwidth at stock clocks.

 

What are you talking about? The 680mx has 160gb/s bandwidth.

 

It's 160 GigaBytes/sec, or 1280 GigaBits/sec.

1280G b = 160G B

 

Everyone uses the gigabytes/s format including Nvidia and AMD.

 

Sorry, I meant memory speed not memory bandwidth. I.E. if you go on their site they list their GTX 680 cards at 6Gbps memory speed etc. The mobile cards they list at the 1st doubled clock (I.E. 1800MHz for the 680M or 2500MHz for the 680MX) and not the actual effective speed (3600MHz and 5000MHz respectively). It's a marketing ploy for the desktop cards is what I figured out. The bandwidth is something else, you're right. It was around 160GB/s bandwidth I was aiming for, but if not I'd have kept it at whatever bandwidth raising the effective speed from 3600MHz to 4000MHz would have granted.