ONLINE PETITION for BIOS updates on Clevo HM model series.

It's very sad ... i will cry for sure

 

Thanks for your opinion mate. I said what I said.

 

They had 1600x900 in the P150HM? I didn't know! Ha. Neat. I had a P151HM with 560M but returned that thing to wait for the P150EM's with Ivy Bridge and GCN; it's been a brutal wait though; talking 3 months now -_-. And 3 more weeks till I get my rig :/ ha

 

Yes there was 1600x900 in P150HM, and it help a lot the GTX580M to play strong games like Crysis 2. For me it's the perfect resolution in 15 inch notebook.

 

Yeah 1600x900 is a bit easier to handle than 1920x1080 when I had the GTX560m in the P151HM I would run it at 1600x900 in most games; in BF3 I had to run 1600x900 if I wanted it to play smoothly on High settings [with no AA]. But with the 7970m I'm getting it should play 1080p Ultra settings at 40fps with no AA. Or Ultra w/ AA at 900p; either way Its TONS better than an Xbox 360 haha.

 

Why would you buy from Eurocom? Why pay more for the same thing?

 

I got it for much cheaper than anywhere else; my whole rig with the stock 500GB Hybrid HD with 4GB SSD [the seagate momentus hybrid]; 95% matte screen; and the rest in my sig [besides the 256GB Crucial m4] Ended up costing only $1450; with shipping included. I purchased the 256GB SSD for $200 separately though. 1450 for this rig is insane though; I dare you to find a better deal.

 

Wait what? Whats the logic behind that? That sucks. Look even if Eurocom had that "trouble" in the past i find them very professional and helpful.
I own an eurocom m860tu and its still awesome.
I know both Mark and Dan from Eurocom and their support has been always awesome for me. Whatever is happening i hope that everything will be sorted out fast.
But also, dunno what you think peoples, this is frightening. If clevo really acts like this they lost some good points with me.

Look, i respect your opinion - but i want to point out that alot of users (yourself too) keep saying that this petition is meaningless, unuseful, immature and whatever.
Yet you stated that this created conflict. So afterall its not that meaningless, it has some meaning. After all this IS moving something. A conflict isnt necessarily a bad thing. But if it happens then all the peoples who voiced their feeling using this very petition have made a huge step toward the right direction.

For those "new" to the whole thing, ill recap the main points, because again these have been misunderstood or confused in the mess:

- We asked for clevo to at least release a bios which officially enables newer gpus to work in HM models; at least we tried politely

- We tried to make our point valid using the HM line lifetime, which is so small to be EOL, and the fact that usually these laptops are listed as user upgradable (and this doesnt explain in detail WHAT gpu you can upgrade, so if either current or newer - everything is valid)

- Sager came out explain what happened with HM models (the whole 2 sku's for p170 issue) and what technical difficulties those models could face with an upgrade to newer gpus, in this case the HD7970m

- Sager also said it will try the best in their possibilities to test the card since we got an overwhelming feedback from this thread, and from the "no more clevo for me..." thread. They acknowledged whats happening, the petition, the 15k views (of both threads), the 114 signatures.

- Mythologic and Eurocom also offered to test those cards in HM models as well, at least is what we know.

If everyone think this is just plain stupid, i will keep on repeat the same thing until i die: everyone is entitled of their opinion and althought i dont accept it i will do my best to respect it and make it respected.
Also we're not wasting space as someone said like other meaningless threads made for god knows why, when you can just use the search function, or a bit of google.
World is beatiful because its varied, thats what an old italian saying says. I believe that everything i did - and that WE did - lead us somewhere. At least we've been heard and im sure Clevo took some notes as well.
Also as a Disclaimer english is not my native language so grammar is messed up with horrors. Ill do my best to keep myself understandable enough.

 

that only applies if you bought a mid-level GPU to begin with (i.e. 560M). If you bought a 6990M or 580M, there is no upgrade.

 

Upgrading from a HD 6970m to a HD 6990 is kinda worthless, at least for me.
Its like upgrading my i7 2720QM to a i7 2760QM.

 

Here the point

 

As a fellow non-native English speaker, I feel your pain... So let me try to help you a little :

"People" is already plural, it is the plural of "person", as in "one person" and "several people".

Another plural of "person" is "persons", as in "several persons".

"Peoples" is used to refer to a group of the same nationality or the same ethnicity or the same community, as in "the Indian peoples" which would mean something like "the Indian folk" or "the Indian nation".

(If I got something wrong, please some native speaker correct me... )

 

Mxm port in that case isn't the problem ... the mxm 3.1 card is compatible with the mxm slot 3.0 ...

 

Thank you man, i appreciate your input

 

Yeah you could OC 15% and get the same results lol.

 

Exactly, it should be compatible. If comparable laptops of the same age work and some older clevo models, it's clear the design is at fault.

 

If you are reading this clevo/sager do not make the mistake of underestimating this forum. In any way.

We are watching.

 

12,247 people have been watching so far

 

I am starting to possibly realise that later released P1XXHM series notebooks will be compatible with new 7XXXm series gpu's.
The first revisions will not be.

 

imho, even if the 7970m and 680m were incidentally compatible with the hm series with should still push thru with this petition.
as niff and others have pointed out these gpu's (7970m) work with 3 year old machines from other manufacturers. clearly, its not a hardware limitation by any stretch. instead its some seemingly artificial limitation put in by clevo, whether by software or hardware as they claim.

its just plain wrong that an enthusiast, user upgradeable laptop would have such limitations especially when their competitors do not have such constraints. and as others have said, this limitation seems to stem from clevos wrong business model. granted, they dont sell as much as aw or msi or samsung, adapting this 'strategy' will just eventually turn off more consumers, even previously loyal ones like me.

 

I don't own an HM, but this practice scares me considering I do own an NP. I'd like to be able to upgrade my GPU next year and if they do the same with the system I own, I'll be very disappointed (not to sound selfish or anything). SIGNED!!!!!!

 

If the notebook in your signature is the notebook you own, than you DO own an HM... The Sager NP8170 is the P170 HM from Clevo...

 

Oh yes, thanks for pointing that out and correcting me. I knew that the NP8170 and P170 were the same, just not used to seeing an 'HM' after P170.

 

People use the HM to discern these models from the newer models whose code names have the same beginning, but EM at the end instead: P151EM1 (NP9130), P150EM (NP9150), and P170EM (NP9170).

 

Makes sense, considering Clevo recycled the chassis' and model numbers

 

Bump to not let this fall behind.

 

^ You don't have to keep on doing that since people will post or refer this thread if it happens again with the current EM and upcoming P lines. Some people already have it on their signatures too.

 

i really have no interest in buying an amd card as my favourite features like 3d vision physx and cuda are only available from nvidia, i just hope the 680m will work with my p150hm, and since i bought mine right when the 580m came out it should be compatible with both amd and nvidia cards, but like i said i only want nvidia. and i also hope the 680m can output to more than 2 screens due to the new kepler architecture.

 

Having read this thread I am quite concerned with what Clevo has done.

The awful reality is the Clevo w860cu probably has a greater chance working with the 7970M than the newer PM series! Considering the fact that both the 6970M and 6990M work plug and play in the older model too!

Come on Clevo what is this madness ... why buy your products if "outdated" machines (even your own) have more potential!

In retropect I was one of the lucky ones here as when I moved on from the w860cu I very seriously considering moving to the PM150 series laptop. I am very glad I didn't but very angry on behalf of those left affected!!

 

Thanks mate for your support.

Guys i just want to point out that this petition started as a mission to get Clevo to update or at last - try to - HM models Bios.

The 7970m issue and story basically gave us the fuel to do this, but also, dont forget that this petition extends also to the future Nvidia GTX 680m. Since Computex is near, probably theres a chance that resellers can start having those GPUs before the Nvidia announcement (a reseller actually confessed to have them in hand, but they're under NDA).
So since this evolves around the concept of "newer gpus in HM models", i hope we will get someone to test and confirm if the new gpu from nvidia will or not work in HM models as well.

 

If the new Nvidia GPU does not work in a HM series that shipped / was designed with a Nvidia GPU in mind, then I can see some serious problems. Of course, I hope that will not be the case. If it does work, I will be very happy and only hope that the future EM series will not have such limitations.

 

is it possible someplace to buy just the Clevo P170EM "casing"? with no CPU, no ram, no HDDS, and no GPU installed? just the frame and motherboard?

 

that's called a barebone, and yes some resellers do offer this, just ask them

 

We finished our testing on the 660m and the HM series... and that would be a no go. It starts up, but doesn't produce any video output (AKA Black screen) none of the external outputs work either with the 660m and the HM series.

 

You could try calling and asking Sager notebooks. I'm not sure where they stand on selling to the general public, but they may be willing to work with you on sending you a barebone model.

 

ugh.... not a good sign at all, with the 680M in the back of mind....

thanks a lot for testing btw, we really appreciate the extra mile u go mythlogic

 

Wow, now im upset!!!

 

What HM series did you test with? Was the original GPU that the chassis came with Nvidia?

I assume it was. If this is the case then there is no chance the 680M will work and only makes me more suspicious overall.

 

Awww thats disappointing

 

We put it onto a P150HM and a P170HM.

The P150HM had the latest BIOS + EC and shipped with a 580m
The P170HM had the latest BIOS + EC and shipped with a 485m

The P150HM only ever had "one" version of it, and didn't split like the P170HM did for the short period of time.

 

Thanks for your input Mythologic is very very appreciated.

People this is another BAD news. Another proof that confirm the NEED of a bios update.

Clevo screwed up big time IMHO. There's no point to be mad anymore on my side. To put it simply, I'll wait for a test with the 680m to give the last chance to this whole story.
I'm positive on the fact that the new batch of hd 7970m will not work as well.

 

Signed. The reason I went with Clevo and not AW was GPU upgradability. Now if Clevo won't issue a new BIOS for us I'm gonna go with AW next year. Clevo can kiss my a$$ goodbye.

 

Signed as well.

Looks like Sager may have blew it. I was looking forward to swapping in a 7970m due to the fact that it's such a monster of a gpu. Nothing has been 100% confirmed yet but it's not looking too good. If the 7970m is not possible then I'll be pretty pissed despite whatever bs reason they provide, and I'll just have to roll with Alienware next time I shell out a couple grand or more for a notebook.

 

Just make sure you don't get an M18x. I saw a GPU replacement video of that and you had to dismantle absolutely everything. The M17x is definately nowhere near as bad and very comparable to the Clevo. I watched a guy replace his M17x R3 GPU and it was fine.

I am already researching more about the Alienware because it is looking a lot like the Clevo's won't be upgradeable and there is no way in hell that I will be paying for an expensive laptop only to be cut off from upgrades a year or so later. I am even tempted to sell my current system but I will give it some time to see more results and Sagers response. No Bios update = no more Clevo period.

 

And then Nvidia drops MXM 4.0 in 2013, and everyone buying this year is screwed anyway, regardless of manufacturer.

That's my greatest fear, and is why I may hold off from upgrading at all. I'll be genuinely surprised if they stick with backward compatible 3.x for a fourth year.

 

If they do this then that would really suck for all of us!

But!!!...

I think that even if they drop MXM 4.0 some GPU's will still be created for MXM 3.0; at least for the first year; because many manufacturers/sellers of the laptops/motherboards/hardware in general will still have a load of MXM 3.0 boards sitting around and they may want to make 1 or 2 cards to sell out to them. They would sell like hot cakes considering the demand will be high....

But either way; I think my 7970m will last me a solid 3 years and thats honestly good enough for me. By then I will be done with my degree in Finance/securities analysis and will hopefully be moved up a notch or two at my soon to be job. Then I'll just sell my laptop for 40-50% of what I paid [so probably 700-800] to a friend who wants to game and doesn't need the bleeding edge. The 7970m will still likely outperform the next gen. consoles so there will be a market to sell them .

Hopefully the market keeps shifting towards laptops/mobility [why wouldn't it at this point?] and we can have some GTX 680 strength laptops in 3 years with CPU's at 4Ghz for affordable [under 2k] prices. This is my pipe dream hahaha....

Back on topic though :

Have we any news on the BIOS updates? I read an update from Sager on the 29th but nothing in the past few days.

Hopefully Eurocom/Mythlogic can engineer a BIOS update for the HM owners to be able to get a 7970m or 680m, so at least they can get another 3 years or so of solid High/Ultra setting gaming

 

Maybe we shouldn't buy laptops at all, being afraid of technology reaching the speed of such evolution that every year that you won't be able to upgrade sh**.

Really.. everything would be so simple if we all knew this before

 

We are all praying for this..

 

very valid point actually! totally didnt consider that. one more reason to wait at least till haswell next year
but then again, what exactly would they introduce with mxm 4.0? i highly doubt they would increase the max TDP rating, 100W is already pretty heavy stuff. and with 3.1 they already updated to PCI-Expr. 3.0, soooo..... whats left? id be curious as to any suggestions or insights

cheers

 

Whoops AW make garish but upgradeable machines..

I really hope someone out there can tweak the bios somehow ie hack it and allow 7970M support.