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So this one: https://www.ebay.com/itm/XGecu-Prog...EPROM-MCU-PIC-AVR-GAL-7-adapter-/192489430193
Do those adapters even fit on the chip? The clamps with those long cables look like they'd work much better. I've been looking for SPI flashers all day,i t's actually very hard to decide which one to buy (without busting the bank).......

 

That will work like a charm.

 

That looks like an out of circuit connection kit rather than an in circuit one.

 

None say we has to stop at 1.7-2K with stock clocks as in the review samples. Above 2100cb should be doable with 9900K running stock clocks in our 3-4 years old ladies with some work.

One more for your random sample size on the sources...
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ers-welcome-too.810490/page-596#post-10921154

And You should know... New laptops doesn't mean you'll get much better performance. Just look at the results from "Worlds fastest" in my link above Or in my post here

 

You missed the entire point of the post, nothing you said was in response to any point I made. Cool, nice job pushing your benchmarks. Anyway back to everyday and reliable results with stock cooling and power limts for gaming, and studio work while not melting his board with a 120 amp Max and throttling his but off.

This was a post to help a friend stay encouraged to enjoy his hardware and not feel bad about his purchase. Not directed to trigger an overclocker #doyouevenliftbro flame war.

I need a safe space now thanks bro

But for real. Amazing results on your setup!

I still have lots of tweaking to do. Temps are the issue for me right now. Any advice on that would be awesome for all of us. I'm already at a -125mv offset

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I talked about the results from the reviews! Sorry if I put it wrong. Or quooted your post.

"None say we has to stop at 1.7-2K with stock clocks as in the review samples"

 

you know im messing back (just being a squirrel brother)

But for serious! Any advice or links for training would be great, i know you know your stuff

Repasted, Actually took the time to clean the heatsinks properly.

https://valid.x86.fr/67wa1y

getting better CB15 is stuck at 1960 no matter what i fiddle with in TS. What causes that?

 

thermals arent even the issue (at least not in my case ), especially when you raise the TjMax of the chip to 115C at 4.6 ghz extreme load with AVX im scratching the 100C, so still 15C below the TjMax during everyday operation for surfing, vids, docs, etc im in the 50s-70s, so not breaking a sweat

also, with a bit of OS optimization u can squeeze out quite the nice scores, i for one am gettinf 2054 in cinebench R15, thats actually slightly higher or comparable to regular stock, depending on the configuration of course

5.2 ghz cpu-z validation is also possible, just not as an everyday driver for high loads

i think thats quite amazing for a machine from 2015 designed around quads haha

oh btw, make ABSOLUTELY SURE that your cpu vrms on the motherboard make perfect contact with the heatsink and use the BEST thermal pads you can find for them! seriously, with such mighty cpus u NEED proper cooling on both the mosfets AND the chokes! otherwise theyll overheat and start throttling, resulting, for example, in a cinebench score wall

use hwinfo64 to check for the VRM temps, ideally youll want them below 90C cuz thats usually when they start throttling (even though theyre usually rated to up to 125C).

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How do ya raise the tjmax? With throttlestop? If yes, where?

 

You can only do it on 9th gen chips, and in an unlocked BIOS IIRC.

 

guys,
could you help me where I can find a replacement battery for 775tm1? the 775dm3 or other 750XX model is compatible? THX!

 

yep, iirc all P7 batteries are the same model. best to confirm with someone else, though.

 

View the model number of your P775tm1 battery and i'll check my P775DM3-G and we compare them. If they match, it's compatible

 

Unfortunately I do not have battery at all

 

Take it out of the laptop and view the label?

 

If I do not have battery how can I take it out? Once again. I have NO battery

 

Thought you wanted to view its info with hwinfo and had no charge in it. Sorry misunderstood.

Anyway the label in mine is this:

https://imgur.com/25S5vzl

Took a photo of the whole battery, so you can see if the connectors are equal. View the service manual, the number part should be there for the TM1, if it matches then it works for TM1 from DM3

The part number is:
P750BAT-8

I do believe it will work, since the chassis is the same basically as the DM3 and even the heatsink from the TM1 works for the DM3, even the screws are on point, so.. lol

 

no prob, thx for the help!

 

Edited my post! see the update

You're welcome my friend!

 

@matyee according to the service manual on your TM1 the following can be bought to use as official batteries:



So, according to the service manual, the battery of the DM3 works perfectly in the TM1, because the part number (on the right) matches
6-87-P750S-4U73
(Screenshot taken from page 55 in the service manual of the P775TM1-G)

 

Thx for the help, seems that these are the same as yours. On Ali I could find -4272 easily. Actually I do not really care the battery, however the 4th foot is missing, and the machine looks lame w/o it

 

I thought of the actual foot instead of the battery mainly! I'm glad i could help

 

Hey brother how do I adjust the TjMax I'm overwhelmed with an amazing amount of settings and options.

I see a pile of TJ settings in a row with different temperatures. They're still on defaults of "2". Are those numbers positive offsets? Your Recommendations brother

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sure thing, what are you looking at? bios? if so, then ull have to go to advanced/overclocking (second)/cpu and then adjust the Tjmax offset. its actually "upside down" in that it is based on a maximum Tjmax of 125C and the offset subtracts a value from that. the lowest offset im allowed to enter is 10, thus 125-10=115C TjMax.

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@jaybee83 I think i found it. hrmm, HWiNFO64 still showing TJMax 100 and throttling. C0% jumping around in TS. Still getting IA: Electrical Design Point/Other (ICCmax, PL4, SVID, DDR RAPL)

[Edit] Some Bios pictures, I'm sure things are wrong, go easy on me http://imgur.com/a/bebBtmV

 

You can't change TJMax Offset in here. You don't have the options for that in this Bios.


Edit. Try one of the options in here...

 

Oh is TJMax setting normally on that page? (on the P870TM1 Bios) I have never seen it

I see some TJmax stuff in another screen from the above post (the image right after the one you posted). Wondering what those are

 

At least for the Prema version I use for my old DM.

See also my edit. Click and mark on 105C and see what it shows. 0 is usually Default.

 

Prema versions you use that support the i9 9900 k on your DM1?

And no those are definitely lowering it
Bummer

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Each Tcc option supports 0 to 30

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Related, what is the PSYS Pmax Power option under

that sub-section?

I see the value there (2400) matches up with that under VR Current Limit elsewhere.

Is that intentional?

 

Thanks for this.

 

@DennisMungai Yes that was on purpose, using the "stock" (as sent to me from the manufacturer) settings from the P870KM1-G that came with a delidded Silicon Lottery 5.1ghz i7-7700k (setup for 4.8) as a starting point.

My thoughts were since the chips were 7700K @ 93w and 9900K/F @ 95w TDP and the 7700K was the best at the time the Mobo was setup to work with "vanilla" Then setup by professionals with a warrantied overclock. That it was a good place to start.

Still haven't hit the 2k mark in CB15, 1959 so far. So still tweaking and learning with these guys

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Hmm, thanks for confirming.

@Papusan would the same value(s) apply to the 9900k? To my understanding the 9900KF is the variant without the Integrated GPU.

 

Take screenshoots of your TS settings and save them if needed. Delete ThrottelStop INI file and start up clean. Post all settings in all TS windows once it loads up first time. Remember put High Performance in Win power plan.

Same for KF. And Clevo don't have iGPU enabled anyway

 

Many thanks.

 

You are very welcome my friend. Glad to help

 

Note these are Trash CB15 1501 yuck, Haven't put them in the BIOS yet, just being tweaking with TS. BUUUT. Here is what i get when deleting the TS ini and rebooting Thanks for your help brother.

 

X46 all core and -.125mV undervolt? That's not default, did you make those settings in bios?

And are you saying you scored 1501 in CBr15, that's so-low-its-broken low, when I first ran it under a 92W power limit throttling to ~4.0ghz I scored high 1600's

 

damn, i just took a look at your BIOS settings....i suggest the very first thing to do is to pull the CMOS battery and do a complete BIOS reset to stock settings. there are sooooo many borked / changed settings already to start with! best to start off with a clean slate first

 

Yeah @bennyg they are wrong, there was all kinds of weirdness after the Dsanke flash like the default core Oc 0-7 #6 & 7 default to 0x, loading optimized defaults or defaults same thing. I tossed in some aggressive undervolting BS to get it to boot to windows with cool (temps), then been using TS to play, up to 1959 wall CB15 w/o themal throttle, but these guys say I should be able to get 21ish.

Anyone who is running the exact setup p870km1-G with dual 1080s and i9-9900k, did you use the Dsanke bios for the 1080 or the RTX? I did the 1080, should I do the 2080 one now that I have a SPI programmer?

Ah screw it, I'm awake now I'll get up and pull the CMOS and get some new TS screens.

Before I laid down last night. I did cb15 from 4.7 all way down to 4.4. no change in the score. Okay let's start over. I'm done thinking that I can do it myself LOL

Thank you Brothers for your patience. And guidance.

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THIS IS FOR DIAGNOTICS [ONLY] - NO ADVICE IS NEEDED - BLANK SLATE ALL SYSTEM DEFAULTS - AS REQUESTED BY @Papusan

P870KM1-G / i9-9900KF / GTX 1080 SLI - Throttlestop (Clean install) Booted with no CMOS

Blank - First boot scenerio - NO changes





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CB15 run with these full untweaked settings (pasted all with thermal grizzly conductonaut)

PKG Power is 115.5w max
1675 is a wall (max score with out changes every run)

 

@KKthebeast do you monitor your CPU VID/Clock/temperature/power? It's easiest way to find out what is causing low score. I agree with rest - 1600 for i9 is low score. With i7 9700k i had similar score - and it's only 8 threads.

 

Was at 1959 like in the above CB15 bench, Everyone says I should be getting more out of the P870KM1-G w/ i9-9900K/F. So we are starting over so they can have a clean test bed to try to get me into the 2k+ range

the above post is for diagnostics, I was asked to reset everything to "factory" defaults pull the CMOS so they could have a true fresh start to tweak with. Everything in the BIOS, is Dsanke defaults and TS readings on a clean boot (remove TS ini), Standby by for the show

 

Ok.
Main TS menu window. Remove the check mark for BD Prochot and C1E. Check the box Speed shift-EPP and add 0.

FIVR window.
Add in your undervolt for Core and Cache Offset. Start with -120mv Offset Voltage for both or your prefered tested undervolt offset value. Increase Cashe Ratio (44). Apply and Save.

TPL window.
Turbo Bost Power Limits... Remove Clamp. Add in +200 for both Turbo Boost Power Max and Turbo Boost Short Power Max. Turbo Time Limit to 0.0010.

Primary Plane Power Limits... PP0 Current Limit to 600. Then Apply and Save.


Follow clock speed, Temps and Cpu Package Power with Hwinfo under testing. Let it be up in the background while you run Cinebench R15. Disable Antivirus while you run tests.


This is the second screenshoots of TS I have seen from from you... The high C0% means something run in the background and eat clock cycles. This smells more like unwanted bloat run in the background. A nice and clean setup shouldn't show more than 0.2-0.4% under idle speed.


I expect you know how to clean out the Throttlestop INI file if you run into problems as "can't boot into Windows" due too low undervolt saved in TS (If you have created scheduled task for ThrottleStop). And Happy testing

 

@Papusan following your advice on how to tweak TS properly:

Benchmark with undervolt in CPU and GPU:

https://imgur.com/a/o0IWDEX

Benchmark without any undervolt in CPU or GPU (jesus those scary temperatures lol):

https://imgur.com/a/jPx8pVa

 

I can't remember the temps but here is an bench with [email protected] in the old lady from 2015


Ps. Turbo Time Limits should be 0.0010. Not 1

 

UPS! Now to fix and run a bench without undervolt to show u

 

@Papusan setting the turbo time limits to 0.001 gave me this score @ 4.7Ghz turbo boost without overclocking, just stock clocks and no undervolt:

https://imgur.com/a/0rlT5ww

 

1675 is right about where it should be under a hard 95W power limit.

Yes you should be able to get results >2000 but heatsink is the problem

From my playing around with heat loads and heatsinks there's multiple ways the stock heatsink is insufficient for the 9900K.

The initial rise in temps from idle -> load. If it goes from 40C to 90C within a fraction of a second, there's an issue getting enough heat through the IHS to the heatpipes/radiator. Check TIM application. Then heatsink/ihs mount. Consider lapping if its still bad. There's the possibility the solder job under the IHS is dodgy if there's a >5C inter core delta when all are equally loaded.
(You can see what was changed by looking at the TM heatsink. A thin shim plate then heatpipes with the main copper plate *on top*. On the DM/DMx/KM it's the standard 1mm thick plate with heatpipes on top.)

If the rise is steady but occurs over a few seconds the issue is insufficient heatpipes. By my guesstimate the combined Qmax of the three pipes on our stock heatsink is ~130W. The TM heatsink has 4 pipes.
I rebuilt a DM3 heatsink with more heatpipes after grinding down the thick plate a bit and it seemed to help with the heat ceiling, I could run 150~160W loads sustained over a longer time.

But even with fixing those two things, the problem is still insufficient radiator fin volume and convecting to air. It just needs moar rad. This will show up as thermal throttle under prolonged >10sec load.

Tl;dr consider a TM cpu heatsink mod or something else.

For now, for optimised daily settings you can use PL1/PL2 and turbo time to keep cpu temps from bouncing off TJmax. PL1 to handle that initial spike, turbo timer to stop it throttling under turbo while fans ramp up (if you aren't using max fans constantly which for daily use, gets annoying very quickly), PL2 for long term under max fans. Pre mod I was using 165W/8sec then 130W to keep around 90C max. Currently it handles about 180W for 30sec before the vrms heat up, get inefficient, and trip the 140A limit.

I finally found a vapor chamber small enough to fit within the heatsink mounts, and the OC Frame arrived, so I'll have a play at building something exotic (less exotic than the full watercooled laptop I'm nearly done doing lol) to see if the 9900K can be tamed.