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    Official Coffee Lake Refresh Thread/BIOS for ALL Clevo Laptops - RTX CARDS NOW SUPPORTED

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by DaMafiaGamer, Oct 25, 2018.

  1. razor0601

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    And what’s different?
     
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    Does anyone have a p775dm3g with rtx 2070, does g-sync work? If it does, what processor is installed?
     
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    What version of the BIOS mod is installed?
     
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    dsanke mod v 1.07.29-128gb.Video bios: 90.06.45.00.29.
    P.s:currently there is a qqls processor. I read that with mutants there is no way to have g-sync, so I'm ready to supply another processor for g-sync.
     
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    That's right, it needs to be an official retail CPU and some of the lower ones are not supported either. It's that locked down.
     
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    Thank you! I will try to return the BIOS without the suffix 128 and replace the qqls processor with 9700k. By the way, the matrix is installed by LG Philips LP173WF4-SPF1, maybe it makes no sense to start something and put up with the lack of g-sync?
     
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    From looking at the TM manual, I could see that LG Philips LP173WF4-SPF1 is a certified gsync display also. When you want gsync to work with dsanke ported bios you just have to have a basic TM configuration. One that sold at resselers. So from what i know the P775TM sold with 9700k and later on with 2070 aslo, so most probably you are good to go. I also think taht you would need to have a bios with ME enabled for Gsync to work (might be mistaken).

    PS: that 2070 is way more than overkill for that FHD 60hz gsync display.
     
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    Thank you very much! I will try and tell you about the result. I often connect to an external 4k display.
     
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    ok. that is something else ;)
     
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    I put i7 9700k on p775dm3g from 2070, trying to start g-sync .. did not appear. I tried different bios. The BIOS of the card can not be flashed: no nvidia display. BIOS from Dell, perhaps flashing from clevo, would be good.
     
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    Flashed vbios from clevo,g-sync did not appear. The fight is lost .. :(
     
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    That's up to you and your vision.
     
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    Hello...

    If the others can help me, I'd appreciate it immensely, but otherwise, I have a question about the BGA1440 mod for QQLT and others.

    I'm looking to use one with my device, and I'm potentially looking at the i7-8700B. I see several W650 ones, but I don't see the W650KK1 or the one that shares a bios with it (W650KJ1) on the original mod.

    Was one for that particular model not finished yet...?

    If not, is there any way I could use this combo? I'm nearly certain 8700B + W650KK fits my needs perfectly.
     
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    Can anybody assist? I have a P775DM3-G - i7 9700, I have flashed the 1.7.29 bios but I have no sound, I have flashed using CH341A programmer but no matter what I do I can't get sound back.

    Thanks
     
  15. razor0601

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    1.7.24 is the version you need.
     
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    I have tried that version, still no sound output. Would a reinstall of windows sort the issue out do you think?
     
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    Did you try the soundblaster X720 app from the first post?
    And which Programm do you use for the programmer?
     
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    I have yes. & one I found online, as the one that came with the programmer was in Chinese, do you think that could be the issue?

    I appreciate you helping, thank you.
     
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    Use Neoprogrammer
     
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    Does the audio device show at all?
     
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    Does nobody have any idea how to help for my question? It kinda got skipped...I'd be willing to try it if I could get W650KK schematics so I knew where the bios chip is, but...
     
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    Skipped is harsh, if no one knows then silence is expected versus just telling you what you want to hear.

    Probably going to need to test it yourself
     
  23. The_Overseer

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    I didn't mean it in a harsh way! I just. Yeaaaah.

    I realize I got to this thread just a bit too late. I guess I'll keep looking for schematics. I have a SPI flasher and all, so I'm not worried on paper if I can figure out where the proper chip is. It's just I can't find the service guide either. I'll post back here if I can find it somewhere.
     
  24. joluke

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    Your model full name is w650kk1. Here is the service manual for it:
    https://mega.nz/file/PRo2ja7Q#V5vewml1GN-M7XUnb39eJBgc3Ozi6WvJavIufS6vIBs
    If you need bios/EC/photos from any model. They are available in here:
    https://repo.palkeo.com/clevo-mirror/W65xKK1KJ1/
    Username and password: repo
    All other models are available here:
    https://repo.palkeo.com/clevo-mirror
    That is a mirror maintained by a user. It's not from Clevo but all files are taken as they are in Clevo's e-channel.
    If you need any recent bios let me know. I got access to the official e-channel from Clevo and can provide you with said file
    Edit:
    This is the access to the official e-channel:
    https://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_partners.asp?lang=en
     
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    Oh my god. You are a ****ing LEGEND. Thank you so much, this is a MASSIVE help. I appreciate it immensely!
     
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    You're welcome. It's a pleasure to help the community
     
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    And thanks to your help, I bring good news.

    Not only is my W650KK now running Dsanke mod, my goal of BGA1440 CPU on W650KK has been (mostly) achieved!

    There's a small setback, mind you. Mr. Su's versions of the 1440 CPUs won't work for full usage because the bracket that usually would hold them down is blocked from being screwed down thanks to an unfortunately placed capacitor. However, there *are* other versions of the 1440BGA CPUs which will work just fine, judging by the looks. I just have to order them.

    I was able to make BGA1440 CPUs work by taking Dsanke's BIOS mod for the W650KK1, running it through Coffeetime and changing the same places that changed from the original mod (at the beginning of the thread) and the versions Dsanke said would work with the 1440 CPUs earlier on.

    I honestly didn't think it would work with my modifications. I was so unconfident in fact that I did a small case "adjustment" that would allow me to access my BIOS chip without disassembling the device.

    However, it worked first try. Thank you again for the help, and for the people who made the mod, as well as Coffeetime (I probably should say thank you on Winraid too, for Coffeetime).

    I'll post back after I rest and test individual features, like the sound issues with the mod I heard about.
     
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    Good job
     
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    I agree, nice work.
     
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    Thank you to both of you! So far so good as well, audio works perfectly out the gate, though I forgot to check headphones.

    Additionally, I checked just to see (I had a QQLS handy) if the laptop would support 8 cores even though it was listed for the original mod for only 6 (there was an option to modify that also in Coffeetime).

    It does, though I probably won't use that for my final build because the Power Brick is a little small. But it's nice to know it's capable of it. Honestly, I'm insanely pleased with the results so far.
     
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    Also, with my experiences, I've come up with a theory about MXM compatibility issues.

    I'll post it here, but probably copy it to relevant places later.

    So, BGA1440 CPUs with the correct microcode work perfectly on Kaby Lake hardware. However, this is ONLY possible if Management Engine is is disabled, according to Coffeetime.

    I also own a Zbook 17 G3/4 (I swapped the motherboard), and I called customer support once. I didn't tell them my Serial and used a phone I normally don't, but I told them a little about what I was doing with the whole MXM thing and trying to fix it after a GPU had "died" (It didn't, lol)

    I was told that a lot of the hardware verification was handled by Management Engine, just like people have run into. Recently, I thought back to a much older device, the Elitebook 8770W. It has an alternate BIOS called Coreboot. Many *many* cards don't work on it with normal firmware, but with Coreboot, it can load cards you normally can't. For example, the AMD WX 7100.

    And this change happened by nothing more than loading Coreboot which, you guessed it, has the capability to disable Intel ME, per my research.

    So...I had a theory. What if you took a 6th/7th gen laptop with a BGA chip (Believe it or not this works in Coffeetime - I checked loading an HP Omen bios) or Socket with a MXM slot, and disabled the HAP bit to turn off Intel Management engine. Would this bypass the MXM restrictions that the community ended up dealing with for so long, just like it opens up Coffee Lake Xeon and 1440 CPUs on Kaby Lake?

    I'd like to try it myself, but Zbook Laptops use a system called Sure Start, so I can't try it with my current. I'll have to look into a Clevo laptop or one from another brand to test my theory, but yeah. Just a thought. Has anyone ever tried before or seen it attempted?

    I'm aware the EC is also involved with this problem on older laptops, but yeah. Very curious.
     
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    Quick overview: I have flashed 5 Clevos. P751DM2-G, P771DM, P771DM-G, P870DM2-G and P870TM-GS.
    P751DM2-G, P771DM and P870TM-GS worked directly after flashing via USB. The other 2 I had to reflash via CH341 Programmer.
    I flashed exactly with the same USB-Device and with the same steps.
    Why do some clevos not work with the flashing procedure?
     
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    You need to take out the battery and in the end of flashing when you see the message: Flash was sucessfull". Pull the cord in the back of the chassis and avoid ME being flashed. That's what happened, ME was flashed and prevented the laptop from booting. The instructions in OP mention it and I believe that was what happened
     
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    I always took out the battery. After successful there is never a message that me will be update.
     

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    You don't have a message. Pull the cord in that message and wait 30 seconds and it should work. I do that in my P775DM3-G and it works great
     
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    Ah ok, maybe I wait too long.
     
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    Nah. It won't move from that command. Fpt will only flash the bios. Not mess with anything else. If you don't take out the battery, ME will be flashed once you boot the device after flash. Pulling the cord avoids that and ME isn't flashed at all
     
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    You mean the normal battery not the Bios battery?
     
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    Yes the laptop battery of course. Not the bios lol. Don't disconnect that one
     
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    Then I did everything right.
     
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    Hopefully someone with more experience with flashers, can help you but if you have them working then you are good to go
     
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    ??? I did them all to get working. I have a Programmer. But it’s a pain to take them apart.
     
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    That's why I did cut the metal under the keyboard for easier access. Yeah it sucks ass to take them all apart

    Just out of curiosity here is the cut a friend made:

    https://imgur.com/a/L30YyaJ
     
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    From my experience never flash dsanke without a programer because there is a high chance that something in the bios gets corrupted. Flashed 3 machines all of them with programer.
     
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    The first time I flashed mine it had to be with a flasher too
     
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    Also, you can disable ME from bios with CofeeTime 0.99, and still works as expected.
     
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    Nice. I'll give it a try too
     
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    This is also the way to get 1440 CPUs working as long as you have the right ME versions and microcodes. So with that also comes access to 8 Cores/16 threads (QQLS) at a very cheap price ($130 something USD) as long as your power brick can handle it and your motherboard doesn't have any capacitors in the way of the bracket.

    Make sure to check the second tab when doing so however, there's an option to work around a panic shutdown for some Clevo chipsets when ME is disabled.
     
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    Does anybody know why the P771DM-G restarts every few seconds after shutdown from Windows?
     
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    Never happened to me in my P775DM3-G
     
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