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    Official Coffee Lake Thread/BIOS For ALL SkyLake/KabyLake Clevo LGA1151 laptops

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by DaMafiaGamer, Jul 31, 2018.

  1. DaMafiaGamer

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    Would definitely have to be tornado f5 heatsinks as the die is situated in a different area of the board. I will see if I can cook the heatsinks in the oven lol. Hopefully they don't explode, I cook a lot of pizzas in there, the last thing I need is chemical poisoning lol.
     
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    The die is reversed, but its either that or the other, much wider one, whose core is still off center. Might be able to mod the 980M heatsinks, but only if you feel like it.
    If only Aetina sold to end users.....
     
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    Ill have to test my luck removing those heatpipes then.
     
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    I always used a heat gun for pulling stuff apart. Heat only the plate you want to remove, the solder in the join will go liquid at the temp for whatever solder it is and you can just lift it off, and the heatpipes get no hotter than they need to be. Much quicker too
     
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    Oh! That reminds me, heatpipes can burst and explode, be warned.
     
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    Yes don't go silly on the heat, at the very least you can damage them.
     
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    That is exactly what I am going to use. Is there a temp I shouldn't go over? I know solder melts at around 180c.

    Also are there any telltale signs of a soon to happen explosion, the pipes budge? If so what heat does that happen on. There must be precise heat that will allow the solder to come off and keep the heatpipe intact.
     
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    Keep it as close to the solder melting point as possible for as short as possible basically.
     
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    Yes I've had a couple of them bulge and got off the heat straight away and when cooled a bit, very gently hammered them back to flat just like I did the vapour chamber when it swelled a bit (a VC is the same basic idea as a heat pipe just a different shape)

    It probably isn't leaded solder (180C) being used as that's been banned since 2006. If not low temp solder (eg. SnBi at 138C) it's probably lead free solder (210-220C) which reduces the safety margin since around 250C is when the Internet says heatpipes explode but I would think it varies depending on the heat pipe (size, wall thickness, age, filling)
     
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    What temps did the clevo one start bulging at, P870dm3? As that is what I am working with. Those small heatpipes look like they have a low heat capacity compared to the msi ones.

    Also thanks for the info, the way I see it is that the safety margin is very very close. I'll have to heat each pipe separately, I'm sure this won't be an easy task at all.
     
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    I was using low temp solder and checking it with an ir temp sensor while heating, it started after maybe 5 mins sitting at ~140C.

    After flattening the bulge (it was partly under the master heatpipes so it caused them to pop up off from over the core end) I shifted a clamp over those heatpipes and they went back into place fine with a bit more heat and solder paste with no more bulging
     
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    Same also did @Mr. Fox on the P870 heatsink mod.
     
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    What I did with the low temp (138°C) solder paste the second time worked much better than using my hot air soldering station.

    I clamped everything together with copper shims over the heat pipes on the CPU heat plate end and on the radiator ends so that nothing could fall apart.

    Then I put some foil down in the oven (to keep my wife happy and not get drops of solder everywhere) then pre-heated the oven to about 150°C (300°F) and put the clamped together assembly into the oven for about 45 minutes. The temps never got high enough to swell the pipes, but it baked long enough for the solder to fully flow. After 45 minutes I turned off the oven and opened the door for it to cool off naturally. Worked great.
     
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    THX ji172 flashed this morning.Actually had a hard night and went verbatim on directions.LOL looked at directory and still didnt realise i needed to type the bin.my mod aka W650kk1 LOL.I kept typing from directions and thought BIOS.bin was the right instruction.Well long story short if you want any benches im bout to tape my i3 8100 pins today or tomorrow and give it a shot.THX dsank i will be getting to your sight soon.lil tight right now but ill go for a mod rather than going the norm anyday.Like your boot screen.Still waiting on my programmer from china.Why cant some of us open a shop up in U.S.that carries mos stuff. radio shack is gone.aww well.


    http://www.userbenchmark.com/System/Clevo-W650KKJ/98275 So far so good.Pins are getting closer together.Was a hard job for me.Cpu seems cooller than the 52W pentium.
     
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    Any tips for taping the pins? Did you cut small bits of tape and stick them on or is there a trick to this?
     
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    I managed to stick the world's tiniest pieces of tape on to the pins with the aid of a small sewing pin. I5-8400 in a W650KK1. XTU throws up the Current Limit Throttling flag when I stress test, not entirely sure how/if I can fix that. Otherwise, i'm pretty happy. Huge difference from what I had in here before. Thank you dsanke and DaMafiaGamer!
     

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    I was unable to tape.I taped around the pins and used nail polish.They also sell liquid tape.Hope the nail polish holds.I see you did with tape.Now i want 8400 :)
     

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    Hi how to enable or disabled your bios boot logo? My laptop is Clevo W650kk1.
    Your bios is perfect logo is nice but how remove text this bios is free....
     
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  20. Mangix

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    So.

    I flashed this BIOS and managed to brick my Clevo. Any guide on how to use an SPI programmer? I purchased one which should be coming in a few weeks.

    Laptop is a Clevo P870DM with a desktop 980. I flashed the 980 BIOS for the Clevo. The greset command made the laptop instantly turn off. The other commands succeeded.

    It still has a 6600K in it. Do I need to do the pin mod on that?
     
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    You remove the COMOS battery for five seconds end put again. I have the same problem should be work on your laptop.
     
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    Hope you get it running without the spi flasher.I waited 3 weeks until i saw jl1728 flashed usb way then i flashed usb UB1.JPG WOW.JPG UB1.JPG WOW.JPG .Sometimes after you remove battery if you press the power button a few times slow and easy it clears.The OP had bad flash prob to.I wonder if that motherboard craps out with the first cmd line.If your in the us i can mail you mine but is hard to install windows 10 pro drivers on the ezp2010.Dsanke did a good job on the bios>You don't need to mod the cpu as i can switch to my older cpu and it works fine.Well worth the mod when your done.
     
  23. Mangix

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    I just see a black screen. I took out the CMOS and main battery to be sure. It just keeps rebooting.

    edit: yeah I think the greset command bricked my laptop. If the purpose is to initialize the BIOS, why not just reboot? I bricked a Linksys router like this before (needed JTAG) by typing ‘go’ instead of ‘reboot’.
     
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  24. Whoflungdung

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    Not to bug you.You did unplug power supply to Right.I left mine turned on for like 15 mins.I kept typing bios .bin for the flash cmd.If you want this flasher ILL send it to you if you send it to the next person that needs it.Ive never had a failed flash and ive been doing it for bout 40 yrs but i know it happens.GLUsed to be able to do this on a dif motherboard because the bios wasnt solderd.loosn bios chip get low level runnning pull chip out stick another in flash.Was simple then.Yea you cuould even cross flah amd and inte whatever.Makes me wonder if ur chip is romovable any freind can flash that with same chip on a dif old motherboard ie 775
     
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  25. Mangix

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    Of course. I tried unplugging while it was “on” as well. No dice.

    I bought a cheap SPI programmer from eBay (from China) but it’s going to take forever to get here. I don’t even know if it has all the parts (never used one before).

    Assuming you’re in the US, it would be faster if I can get yours.
     
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    tool.JPG is ur chip soldered? If not look the way to do it on a motherboard if it is soldered i need a way to send it to you without giving our eamail addresses to all np.For me it's actually easier on a motherboard no drivers etc. this thing is a pain to install drivers i guess i can send them 2.If you have windows 7 its easy ill pack the disk.I feel its unneded but if you want it and will pass on no problem
     
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    I’m using 8.1. I’m mangix on Freenode if that helps.
     
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    I'm not trying to sound like a smart a**, and I'm sure everyone realizes this but if you're the tiniest bit unsure about flashing a Bios Mod. I'd stay far away from it unless you can afford a new machine. I've been fortunate enough to have a friend who's modded a Bios or 2 in his time. If it wasn't for him I'd be stuck with junk firmware. The original Bios I had was an "Unlocked Bios" also, it just wasn't any good. Good Luck and be careful
     
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    Yes there are nightmare stories.I feel if he takes his time and has another computer to help him along he will be fine.I almost "briked" this but i ordered the spi flasher beforehand.When i initially tried to flash i kept typing bios.bin lol.The initial poster Damafia gamer had same problem as Mangix basically same mb.Unless the chip is destroyed basically no way.My muny is he gets it running.Heres my old 771 mod http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/2818891
     
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    Anyone tried it on P870KM1-G? What about bugs? I see only bugs for DMG series.
     
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    Looks like same motherboard MB original paoster had problems with.I think you have to use the greset cmd with intel chips.So gl.THeres another guy few posts back similar mb failed so be carefull.I have an h170 seammed to go smooth but i waited for jh do try it.He beats me a lil on userbebchmark but im looking at an low voltage 8700t E.S.on ebay.Iwant the 8600 vanila looks high gbps but i really want to sell this and go 1060 next just to see the dif.Most websites show this beating my old sapphire 280x lol.IN actuality the 280x slaughters it.For what it is this 1050ti wow it beats the desktop 1050 ti handily.GL be carefull type everthing exact when you do flash.I didnt but it worked as i kept it turned on looking Finnaly i typed right ****.It wa 530AM.G.L.
     
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    Oh yea and if you updated ur bios since you bought it.Buy a spi falsher :-o
     
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    Quick question: Any known bugs when using 8700K and P775DM3-G? anyone tried it? Everything working? undervolt, g-sync?
     
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    I like this engineer, but what he is saying in this video makes me confused coz I have the i7 8086K working on my KM1 with Z270 chipset.

    i7-8700K - 10 New 6-Core Records with up to 7300 MHz (en)
     
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    Look at the date this video was published. Tweaks doesn’t come out once new products is released.

    E255B38D-67F6-4484-A4B4-1C0FB4290985.jpeg
     
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    You are right.
     
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    There is a new TM/TM1 BIOS released I think 2 weeks ago, it's version 1.05.13, it's working fine with me, but still no G.Sync, is there is update for the KM1 BIOS mod?
     
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    Hi have buy à i9 9900k and i try with my p775 dm3 custom bios. I hope is work (sry for my bad english)
     
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    Benchmarks - Tests - CLEVO P870KM with Desktop CPU Intel i7-8086K LGA1151 & NVIDIA GTX 1070 VR v1
     
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    Benchmarks - Tests - CLEVO P870KM with Desktop CPU Intel i7-8086K LGA1151 & NVIDIA GTX 1070 VR v3
     
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    Congratulations, finally you did it....
    But you have to tune it more to beat me :)
    CB.PNG
     
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    If you have it working, let us see some benchmarks.
     
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    Normaly the 9900k work with this bios ?
     
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    anyone can reply to me? And give some feedback? I have a 6700k, just wondering if it is worth the upgrade and if everything is working properly
     
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    How do I offset the voltage 100...
     
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    Bios or XTU: find core voltage offset option, set to -100mV

    Throttlestop: open FIVR window, slide the voltage offset to (approx) -100mV.


    Either way you then need to do the same for cache voltage offset as well and then test for stability (which will manifest as freezes/crashes or BSOD if voltage is too low).

    Reduce as far negative as it will go for more heat and power savings, it doesn't hurt anything, just eventually causes instability.
     
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    I'm using -125mV and it seems very stable until now.
     
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    @Dr. AMK I have a feeling that most people's i7 8086k will beat the 9700k in benchmarks. There really is no point upgrading to a 9700k if you have an 8700k. On Wednesday I will be testing the i9 9900k in both my tornado f5 and my clevo P870dm-g and posting benchmarks if possible
     
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    I agree with you, can't wait for your interesting updates. Good luck
     
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