Planning new Clevo 7th gen. CPU and 120hz screen

HI.

I own a good loved five year P170HM from Eurocom, and I'm planning to buy a new Clevo.

What I want:
7th gen. Intel CPU
17" 120hz FullHD screen
Nvidia 1070
Aluminium exterior finish (I hate rubberized stuff)
Those screens with good color quality. When I bought mine it was called 90% NTSC color gamut. Don't know nowadays.
I have no plans to overclock anything.

Which model and reseller can offer me this? Can you guys help me?

 

I guess most resellers will have the new P670 very soon (probably by the end of the month), it does have all that.

 

We don't see those anymore, sadly. Most everything now has a matte finish, too.

 

Ohhh right, yeah, now we are in a age of IPS Gsync Screens with high refresh rate for gamers, that´s the current trend.

 

We are starting to see proper 240hz panels now too on the desktop side.

 

Check our Sky X series models X9E2 X7E2 X4E2 they already support 120Hz and are coming with 7th gen Kaby Lake CPUS. You get also 10% discount as loyal customer. Check with [email protected] for details.

 

Wow, thanks for all the help, guys!
Sorry I'm a little rusty in this subject.

P670 is the new clevo model? I'm lost in all these new model numbers and which is new or have new stuff, like better soundcard.
Besides P670, which other model is current and have the good stuff? And how can I know that, is there a thread with model history or like?

Matte finish is OK, it just cant be rubberized. Because where I live is so hot that this rubber turn into goo very quick.
Are there specific models that is described as not having rubberized finish?

So a 120hz screen probably has good color gamut, despite not saying it has NTSC %? Because the screen I chose back 5 years, had very crap colors and anyone could see that.

Thanks. I will check it out. I've already made a quote the other day. I'm just recognizing all these new stuff before buying.



Also, I want the lightest model possible for that configuration in the thread. I saw that we have bigger models that can handle SLI and more stuff. I dont need that.

 

The LCD screen itself is what I was referring to. The matte overlay dulls the picture a bit, but significantly reduces glare.

Some models that more or less fit your criteria would be the P650/670xx, P775DM, and P870DM (none have the rubberized-ish surface on the chassis).

 

I saw there is many P670xx variations. What is the difference between those XX models? Looking at Clevo website, I couldn't differ them.

 

CPU/GPU spec.

SE/SG: i7, Haswell + 970M/980M (respectively)
RE/RG: i7, Skylake + 970M/980M
RP/RS: i7, Skylake + 1060/1070
HP/HS: i7, Kaby Lake + 1060/1070

 

Thanks, Prostar. Now I understand.

Also, I noticed all P670 models has i7xxxHQ CPUs.
HQ means high performance graphics, quad core. Right?
Why would I want a laptop with a powerful Nvidia 1070 and a high performace onboard graphic ? Doesn't make sense, am I missing something?

 

Can someone explain to me, please?

 

7xxx U also has an integrated GPU. 7xxx HQ is actually a quad core, 7xxx is dual core.

The integrated GPU uses less resources for low workload (no game). When you start a game, it switches to the discrete GPU.

 

I know that, but all 7th generation has integrated graphics.
And according to Intel own website, all the same graphic processor: http://ark.intel.com/products/family/95544/7th-Generation-Intel-Core-i7-Processors#@All

That H suffix does't make sense for me.

 

6th had integrated GPU as well.
What's your question then?
U = dual core
K = dual core unlocked for overclocking
HQ = quad core
HK = quad core unlocked for overclocking

 

Intel claims the "H" means "high performance graphics" but that is false. It's just "soldered" where "M" is socketed, since the "H" monkier came into play with Haswell machines. If you want to know more about current mobile CPUs, the mobile CPU guide in my signature will tell you probably more than you need. It is *NOT* updated for Kaby Lake yet, however I doubt there will be many changes and you should simply extrapolate Skylake into Kaby Lake as the speeds have not changed (or if they have, only be 100MHz). Kaby Lake is also hotter than Skylake.

 

Thanks. That is what I was looking for. I got confused cause Intel specs says different.
I will definitely read your CPU guide.
Does that all mean I should go with Skylake over Kabylake? I mean, it's almost the same just for 100Mhz and hotter....

 

Intel doesn't even appear to know their own damn specs for mobile. Same with nVidia. They're consistently wrong and make open, false statements. Get this, apparently nVidia thinks their mobile driver API doesn't support voltage control. That's genius since even stock 900M cards can give +25mV without mods, and modded vBIOSes since... forever... have been able to overvolt cards.

I can say if you're buying a machine and heat is of the utmost import, I'd get a Skylake if you could, but then Kaby Lake is likely to use less voltage and thus clock higher... but you probably will be limited to W10 due to the HM270 and CM238 chipsets having no drivers and support on previous OSes. For me, I'd go skylake for that alone.

 

So after researching and reading a lot I came across a dilemma.
Is it worth buying a new laptop for me? If so, which is best for me, P670 or P775?

I own a 5 year old P170HM - i7 2720QM - 8GB RAM - Radeon 6970M 2GB. I never overclocked it and never needed, It made me happy.
The main reason I wanted to buy a new one was because current games, and some old games too, could no longer run smoothly.
Other good reason, I'm going to travel to the country that I actually can buy it at a reasonable price.

After all the reading about how mobile CPUs in general kind of downgraded a bit, I'm afraid that I'm not so convinced as I was before to buy a new one anymore.
So I need your opinion. Is it worth for me? Will a new P670 / P775 be way better? Does it worth the price?

Assuming its worth and every info I gave, a P670 will fit for me?
Some things I've heard so far:
-P775 has **** keyboard and P670 have a better one. On videos, P670 keyboard appears to be like my P170HM, "chiclet" keys and very spaced. I like it.
-P775 has bad cooling, and overheat a lot compared to P670.
-P775 has Desktop CPU with sockets, P670 just comes with socketed CPUs (Does that matter for a non overclock user? I mean performance wise. Cause I know socketeds are much better for repairing and upgrading)
-P775 is much more expensive than P670 (With same configuration, except for CPU, P775 is U$600+ )
-P775 has 120hz panel option, P670 doesn't (I didn't see anywhere yet) But 120hz are TN panels and not IPS. I wanted a 120hz for gaming with lowest input lag possible, but now that I saw that it's not IPS... Does it have good colors? Because I hate my Glossy AUO panel without that 90% NTSC stuff.
-P775 is heavier, bigger, and the 330w power brick seems to be also bigger than my current 230w. (Size is not a big problem, but of course it counts a bit)
-P775 has a finish that I never saw neither felt. Clevo specify its finish as just "Painting". P670 has aluminium finish. I think its the same finish I have here on my P170HM, which I like very much.
Can you comment on all these? Anything else I should know?

Can you guys help me on this? So many doubts, my god!

 

The p6xx series uses a soldered CPU. It does not have a heat spreader though so no need for delidding it.

 

@Eurocom Support
Can I stack this 10% loyal customer discount with a 10% student discount?

 

I have three options, which is the best for gaming and cost-benefit ?

17" 1080p 120Hz IPS Non-Gsync AUO B173HAN01.2 for about $125
17" 1440p 120Hz TN 5ms Gsync AUO B173QTN01.0 for about $290
17" 1440p 120Hz TN 5ms Non-Gsync AUO B173QTN01.0 for about $195

Is Gsync really needed? $100 its too much.

 

the 17" 1080p 120Hz IPS Non-Gsync AUO B173HAN01.2 for about $125 produces better color accuracy

With the 1440P / 3K screens professional color calibration by whichever reseller you are going with is highly recommended.

After reading your thread, I think you will be happier with the P67XX series as they have a much better keyboard with chiclet style keys making the travel distance between keys better

It also is a bit lighter think

However, the P67XX series only have an FHD IPS screen. not TN, but not 120hz, it comes with GSYNC though

You have to decide, if you want a better keyboard/sleeker design, go for this:

EVOC P670HS-G 17.3" Custom Built Gaming Laptop w/ nVIDIA GTX 1070 w/ G-Sync

if you want a 120hz screen / 5ms response rate but with lesser color accuracy and can deal with a bit of a cramped keyboard style, then go with this:

EVOC P775DM3-G 17.3" Custom Built Gaming Laptop w/ nVIDIA GTX 1060, 1070 or 1080

HIDevolution is a Prema Partner so you will get the Prema BIOS/VBIOS regardless of which model you choose

Spoiler: Prema BIOS Benefits

Benefits of Prema BIOS:

• Fixes the biggest issue with these Clevo laptops where they would throttle the CPU as low as 2.5 GHz the moment both the CPU & GPU are under load due to current issues with the Clevo Stock BIOS/EC Firmware.
• The ability to disable other drives connected to your system without physically removing them from your laptop, this comes in handy when installing Windows as you never want to have more than one drive connected at the time you are installing Windows otherwise the Windows setup will place the boot files on the 2nd drive it sees which hurts performance and makes it a headache when creating system images or restoring since the boot files are not on the main drive.
• The ability to overclock, increase Turbo Power Limits and System IA/Core Current Limits
• The ability to enable Intel Speed Shift Technology (it is disabled in the stock BIOS)
• The ability to run RAM with speeds higher than the standard 2133 MHz. I am not talking about overclocking here, I am talking about actual RAM sticks that are rated to run at 2800 MHz for example like the G.Skill 64GB 2800 MHz kit I have. With the stock BIOS, they will not run above 2400 MHz. In the case of the P870DM3, the stock BIOS now supports up to 2666 MHz. I believe but not more, so the Prema BIOS is a must again
• Fixes the instability with the G.Skill 3000 MHz. RAM using XMP Profile 1 with timings of 16-18-18-18 where in the stock BIOS you would have constant crashes or not be able to boot altogether so you’re forced to use XMP Profile 2 which is slower with 18-18-18-18 timings.
• The ability to enable CSM for those who want to install other OSes like Windows 7
• The ability to undervolt the CPU as the stock voltage is way too high which causes the CPU to overheat much quicker and thus throttle under load.
• The ability to enable or disable CPU AES instructions or Virtualization
• The ability to disable hibernation from the BIOS
• Sets the default keyboard lights from blue to white which suits more tastes

Benefits of Prema VBIOS:

• Power throttle disabled
• Over-voltage slider enabled and adjusted (up to a maximum of 1.2v)
• Activated and adjusted thermal slider (to keep it cooler if desired)
• Core overclock slider limit raised
• Power consumption meter activated
• Fixed 3D voltage base-line in order to stabilize OCs and voltage-match both cards in SLI systems (based on average ASIC)
• Thermal protection @ 92c (once*91c are breached the system throttles volts and clocks in order to protect it)
• Protection against Furmark and Kombustor GPU burnout (AVOID those software even with stock vBIOS)!

Also note that HIDevolution offers the fastest RAM options and latest SSDs in addition to very high standards of quality checks so you can be sure to receive a laptop that works great out of the box. They also have factory delidded CPUs for the laptops that sport a desktop class processor like the P870DM3/P775DM3 which brings temps down by at least 10C

See:

HIDevolution - The Best Company I ever dealt with

HIDevolution's Warranty!

finally, you can email [email protected] and give him your NBR username to get a small discount

 

Yes, I'd say it is, if you do need a laptop. Otherwise a desktop is a better spend of your cash, but I assume you already know this.

The difference in performance will be so vast that you won't actually remember how you stayed with your P170HM for this long. Either machine.

P670 might indeed have a better keyboard for you. I don't know. I haven't used it. The P775 keyboard being bad I feel is a bit overblown, though.

P775 needs extra work to cool effectively. A delid on the processor is almost mandatory if you're really going to stress your CPU. Cooling the 1070 and the i7 however is a manage-able task without much end-user elbow grease, but the 1080 model WILL need some love put into it. Fortunately, HIDevolution in the US delids CPUs for all sales, and Obsidian-PC in Portugal goes further and uses liquid metal for both components and uses aftermarket thermal pads that us on this forum have determined is best for contact and cooling, so a "stock" machine from them would have no cooling problems whatsoever.

P670 does not have any sockets. You can only change the RAM and storage. It is significantly more "disposable", unlike your P170HM, even though your HM is beyond the point of being upgraded to usefulness. It will be significantly more expensive to fix things if anything goes wrong with the motherboard, GPU or CPU unless you fix with warranty. I can't say whether everything will survive 5 years or die in 1, though. This is, and always will be, a random thing. The desktop CPUs however are *SIGNIFICANTLY* faster than the mobile ones. 6700K stock is 4GHz and 7700K stock is 4.4GHz, both for all-core loads. 7700HQ is 3.4GHz, and 7820HK is 3.5GHz at stock for all-core loads. The GPUs will basically be the same.

Yeah, it's a lot more expensive. I guess the quality of the board and the PSU size and whatnot all contributes, but I wish prices were a little closer together myself. Where are you looking to buy from?

As far as I can tell, the P670 has the capability to handle the 120Hz panels. I don't know why they are not sold. The 1080p 120Hz panel you'll find from Eurocom on the P775 is IPS, but response times are... lackluster. I don't know how big the input lag is, but hopefully it isn't much, as it's probably the monitor I'll be getting soon hehe. It WILL ghost, though. Laptop IPS panels are all heavy ghosting. 25ms minimum, up to as much as 40ms on some higher resolution panels. The 1440p panel is only 54% Adobe RGB (~85% sRGB). The NTSC is probably around 50% to 60%, but I have not seen it measured. It also is true 6-bit only; the 8-bit is with dithering, and it causes a banding issue with the screen. I can't say whether or not it will affect you much, but I know it would personally drive me absolutely insane. If you're buying from Eurocom, you might want to suggest that you'd like the Chi Mei N173HHE-G32 panel, which is a 75%+ Adobe RGB, 100% sRGB, 120Hz, 8-bit colour, 1080p TN panel that's used in the GT73VR and GS73VR from MSI... in terms of panel shape/size/etc it should literally be plug and play in both the P670 and P775.

The P775 is heavier and bigger for better cooling (potential, anyway; Clevo didn't do a good out-the-factory job) and a beefier system capable of more performance. If you need the performance, this is indubitably the machine for you (or the P870; but that's more expensive).

Don't know about the finish, but they look like my P370SM3, and that's great for me. I can't comment on your preferences, though.

 

Thanks guys. You are being very helpful.
I think I'm gonna stick with P775 just because of 120Hz panel. Plus, I get some performance boost and better repairability.

@Phoenix
Actually, I'm already in contact with Donald. He is helping me to solve a problem that I will probably have. Find a way to pay the order before going to US to receive it in time.

 

good luck man, and welcome to the EVOC Gaming Team Bandwagon

 

I'm back with more doubts

I'll get a P775 with a Prema BIOS partner. That gives me the option to choose higher frequency RAMs, right?
If so, I'll probably buy rams separated.
With that in mind, what is the max frequency supported? Which is the best cost-benefit frequency pick nowadays? And which brands and models should I look for? 1x16Gb, 2x8Gb or 4x4Gb ?

Thanks!

 

Max frequency - 2400 (without overclock), 3000 with XMP
Get 2 modules of RAM to benefit from the dual channel performance

 

You should be able to choose higher speed RAM even without Prema BIOS... The main thing is that your CPU IMC must be able to handle the speed... 7700K is much better for this then 6700K...

 

I'm probably getting 2x8Gb HyperX 2400MHz CL 14 since it's the best cost-benefit I found.

 

That should be a good fit

 

I saw some complains and reviews of @Phoenix and that got me to choosing between MSI or Clevo again.

Firstly, I never owned neither used a MSI before. I always had Clevos and love them. But I was playing with some custom MSI 17.3 builds from HIDevolution and found out it's much cheaper than Clevos.

I'm between the Clevo 775DM3 - 7700K - GTX1070 and some variations of MSI 17,3" - 7700K - GTX1070 as there are many, and all of them are cheaper.
Also, I can configure a MSI 17.3" with 7820HK and GTX1080 with same price of forementioned Clevo.

Since I never owned a MSI I have some questions comparing both brands and models:
1. Which 120Hz 5ms panel is better, speaking of color quality and response time? I don't mind if it's 1080p or 1440p. 1080p is fine for me.
2. Is the MSI 17.3 models bigger and/or heavier than Clevo 775DM3?
3. MSI models has better cooling system?
4. What about overall quality of MSI compared to Clevo?
5. And system custom-ability?
6. MSI keyboard way better, right?

Thanks.

 

1) MSI's Chi Mei 120hz/5ms FHD panel is night and day better than the AUO 3K panel on the Clevo. It has no horizontal line banding although that is only apparent if you stick your face close to the screen, has a much better color accuracy in sRGB and NTSC, and looks so much better and the colors are more vibrant

2) It's slightly smaller and much lighter

3) Yes sir, no flimsy heatsinks where it's a matter of luck whether you get a good heatsink that makes good contact with the CPU. the cooling is awesome, even overclocked to 4.2 GHz on all cores, I get max temps of 85C under AIDA64 Extreme stress test

4) This is subjective, but to me, the MSI is a better built machine and has a nice brushed aluminum finish. Although it's harder to open and swap SSDs and what not. let alone changing RAM, you need to dismantly the whole motherboard to access the other 2 RAM slots so Clevo wins in terms of servicing and upgradability especially since it has a desktop class socketed CPU

5) Do what now?

6) Are you serious? there is no comparison. SteelSeries keyboard on the MSI is night and day better. very well spaced out chiclet keys with good travel distance. you'll never mistype a key like you do with the cramped 15 inch Clevo keyboards.

See my review here: MSI GT73VR 7RF Titan Pro-425 Review By Phoenix

Clevo laptops are geared towards enthusiasts, not taking anything away from that, if you enjoy benchmarking, overclocking to extreme levels, then the Clevo is for you provided you can live with the inferior keyboard / screen. If you want a laptop that just works out of the box with no need to tweak many things, MSI it is.

 

I think I meant repairability / ease of repair and change parts...

That and other threads made me think more before pulling the trigger on Clevo.

Yeah, that's what I want. As I said in the thread I don't need overclock I just want a good gaming laptop.

Which model do you think best fit for me? I saw there is Titan, Titan Pro, Dominator, Apache and Stealth. Not speaking of hardware configuration, but chassis, weight and overall.
I need a good gaming laptop preferably with GTX 1080 more like Clevo 775DM3.
And another thinner and lighter gaming laptop with GTX 1070 or better more like Clevo P670HS for my fiance.

Thanks Phoenix. You are an Angel.

 

Clevo wins in ease of repair since it has socketed CPU and even a child can dismantle the whole laptop. But if you get the MSI and all has been tested in the QC checks from HIDevolution, you have nothing to worry about with the MSI. That's what the warranty is there for anyway. It's not like you buy it and you're on your own.

The GT series is the thickest of them all, GS is thinner but has less storage expandability.

The MSI GT73VR Titan Pro has 3 m.2 slots, 2 of which are NVMe capable and one regular m.2 in addition to a standard 2.5" Drive slot. See my sig to get an idea how you can configure them

Also, speaking of cooling, the MSI GT73VR Titan Pro has a big m.2 SSD heatsink that covers all of the m.2 SSDs. see my review for an image of it

For your thin laptop, go with the MSI GS series

Be smart...be like Phoenix

 

Thanks. I will check them out.

Just another info, I don't need that much storage slot. I just use one NVMe SSD slot and one HDD slot.

Do you think there is a big difference on GS and GT cooling systems ? Do they need CLLU ? On HIDevolution it's just 15$ more than IC Diamond.

 

I would stick to IC Diamond personally. Had great results with it and cleaning it is not a pain in the butt.

If you don't need all that storage, it's still a plus point that you have the option to expand it when you do need to

 

I just saw that MSI GS doesn't has GTX 1070 option. MSI GE model does have GTX 1070, but looking internally the system looks so cheap and is much more expensive than P670HS. Same config U$ 250 difference. So I think I'm still gonna go with Clevo for my fiance's laptop, since she doesn't need the 120Hz panel.

I'm still in doubt about mine. I have a budget of +- U$ 2200, but of course less is better, and more is ok if it has good cost-benefit.

My options are:
1 .Clevo P775DM3 with Delided i5 7600K + CLLU / GTX1070 / 120Hz 5ms 1440p bad%NTSC / Clevo keyboard / 1.61" thick / Best repairability = U$ 2134
2 .MSI GT73 Titan with i7 6820HK + ICD / GTX1080 / 120Hz 5ms 1080p 94%NTSC / Steelseries keyboard / 1.76" thick / Good cooling = U$ 2300
3 .MSI GT73 Titan with i7 7820HK + ICD / GTX1070 / 120Hz 5ms 1080p 94%NTSC / Steelseries keyboard / 1.76" thick / Good cooling = U$ 2070
4 .MSI GT72 Dom with i7 7700HQ + ICD / GTX1070 / 120Hz 5ms 1080p 94%NTSC / Steelseries keyboard / DVD Burner / 1.88" thick / Cooling good? = U$ 1775
5. MSI GE72 Apa. with i7 7700HQ + ICD / GTX1070 / 120Hz 5ms 1080p 94%NTSC / Steelseries keyboard / 1.14" thick / Cooling good? = U$ 1800
All of them with 2x8GB DDR4 2400MHz, 256GB NVMe 960 EVO, 1TB HDD, Intel Wireless 8265.

Can you help me to chose the best option for me? Considering I'll just use it for gaming, I don't really care for 1440p, I do care about color quality. Less thickness is important just if it doesn't sacrifices cooling too much as I don't want a hot burning system.
I don't care for benchmark scores. I just want a system that will not throttle while gaming, and will give me the best possible FPS and smoothness taking into consideration cost-benefit.
Can the 6820HK handle the GTX1080 ? Which of them can give me best gaming performance ? Will the 7600K give any benefit on gaming over the other CPUs? Is GE72 and GT72 chassis good overall?
Will option 5, GE72, be much worse than GT73 with 1070 for example? And than option 1 Clevo?

Sorry for all the questions, but I'm really in doubt and I really need the perfect fit for me cause I'll only have the chance to buy another laptop like this in 4 years from now. And also since I live abroad, I don't have the option to return or modify my system. On the same subject, I'm almost sure that MSI warranty is valid here in Brazil.

 

go for option 2, the GTX 1080 is better for gaming and will give you more bang for your buck. The CPU difference between the 2 is neglible

 

Awesome, thanks. But unfortunately I calculated the price wrong, GTX1080 GT73 is U$ 2300.

One more question, Do you think the gaming performance between all the GTX1070 options I mentioned is about the same?
Just to know which one to get if I end up going with GTX1070, because U$2300 is a bit tight for me.

 

if you're on a budget, then go for option 4 and maybe get more RAM or an SSD or something

you won't notice a huge difference in games maybe 5 or so FPS difference but nothing that you would really notice.


do not that the 6820HK and 7820HK are fully unlocked CPUs that can be overclocked.

I overclocked my 7820HK from 3.9 GHz to 4.2 GHz and the temps are great with a -100mV undervolt

 

@D2 Ultima has the FHD 120hz no gsync, it does not have 90% NTSC. It's more in line 72-80 like other screens in the market.

 

Can confirm; here's the results of a 16-hour calibration using a Spyder5Elite and Displaycal:



Unless I can use the official Spyder software to improve this with calibrations (which I doubt), the Chi Mei N173HHE-G32 is *THE* best 120Hz laptop panel on the market, period. It can cross 75% Adobe RGB after calibration, which beats my pitiful 67.5%, and NTSC is so close to Adobe RGB that the difference must be within 10% or so. Which means I will never get close to 94% NTSC like my panel is rated for.

 

Thanks @Phoenix @D2 Ultima @Mobius 1

I think I'm gonna get the MSI GE72VR.
My thought is... If my budget only allow me to afford a GTX 1070. Why would I get a big GT73 to put a GTX 1070 inside it if I can put it inside a thinner, lighter and cheaper model? Which also include all the good stuff, best keyboard and best screen. Am I right?

I will just check some reviews and feedbacks to see if the keyboard doesn't overheat. Any of you know how is the temperature near WASD keys for the P775DM3, MSI GT73 and MSI GE72 ?
I'm used to my P170HM, which has by far the most cool keyboard in the desktop replacements laptops. Around 32C on full load with FN+1 OFF.

 

worse screen
worse cooling
no HK overclocking
less GPU tdp
less performance overall
better sadness if you're into masochism

 

Wait, what are you talking about?
It's same screen and same GPU.
CPU a little worse with no overclock. But as I said I don't want to overclock. Otherwise I would go with P775DM3.

Am I missing something?

 

You asked about GE72. The model with the same screen is the GS73VR. GE is far worse. And everything else said was true. You only gain some portability.

Sent from my OnePlus 1 using a coconut

 

What?

So this is wrong on many resellers?

Also on MSI website:

 

No it's correct the new GE72 Kaby Lake has the same great 120Hz panel that the GT73 has.

 

Just to make sure.
The GE72 has the same GPU also, right?