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    PowerSpec 1710 + 1510?

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by B0B, Oct 13, 2017.

  1. Canonfodder

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    In the bios there is a setting for UEFI bios did you try to disable that? definitely issues booting from older disks.
    As for linux I was booting that from a USB stick in hybrid so I know it is possible
     
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    Linux and hybrid mode (eg optimus) have a long standing history of issues.
     
  3. GrinningColossus

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    I blew some compressed air into my 1510, this is the second time since owning it (the first time was basically brand new, just wanted it extra clean). Before, max temps in Metal Gear Solid V maxed out 1080p at 99 on the CPU, now they've dropped to 89 CPU and 87 GPU during this play session of several hours (undervolted to -0.120V both before and after). MGSV has been pretty inconsistent based on area though, so I don't know if this is just the parts I played. Before cleaning, some throttling occurred a few times in some parts of Africa missions (starting around the mission where you first discover/evacuate
    child soldiers
    ) and during the interactive major spoiler scene involving the main villain that's fairly long. Basically no throttling in the first open world map (Afghanistan) except for that one scene.

    BTW sorry I didn't take before-after pics of the temps this time like I did with Deus Ex MD. Didn't come to mind.


    tl;dr - My 1510 had a 10 degrees drop after blowing compressed air
     
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    Always worth giving it a regular clean out :)
     
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    What paste are you using? I have 1710 as well but temp sucks :( CPU always reaches 90C
     
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    They are talking about the GPU there.
     
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    Repasted with IC Diamond 7 on both.
     
  8. GrinningColossus

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    I have a hotkey for the mute function bound to F4, which is a decent substitute for the dedicated mute button on my old laptop. What's annoying is it sometimes doesn't work for some reason. Does anyone else's Flexikey hotkeys just stop working?
     
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    Could be that hotkey.exe stopped working, and needs a restart. I just uninstalled CCC and now am using Obsidian PC's CC + Keyboard LED controller.
     
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    All the hotkey/control center processes are intertwined and I couldn't figure out which ones are responsible and restart them manually. I count exactly 8 .exe's that mention hotkeys or keyboard in their names. Turning off all of them messes things up even if I try running them again.
     
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    With it minimised I believe there should only be one active exe.
     
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    You want HKeyTray.exe
     
  13. GrinningColossus

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    That was my first attempt at fixing it, but that doesn't do anything to hotkeys. In fact, if you end the process in task manager while hotkeys are working, the hotkeys still work. It only impacts built in lighting controls.
     
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    Sounds like the install has got itself twisted up.
     
  15. GrinningColossus

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    I thought HKeyTray.exe was just the user interface for setting up hotkeys that are controlled by a background process (one of the other 7 in that folder). Maybe that's the case.
     
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    Powerbios is the main service for CCC HkeyTray.exe is the main program that starts all the other components of Clevo Control Center that are located in Hotkey folder.
    You could uninstall CCC and remove the folder and clean the registry and re-install as admin and also try different compatibility modes, you could also try different compatibility modes for individual components you are having trouble with.
    Worked for me when having trouble with the GPU and CPU monitor.
    Right now I have CCC disabled on start up since the only thing I use is the keyboard color and light control when I want to change it I just run the keyboard color picker component in the hotkey folder.
    It is real buggy with Windows 10 and just another performance hit so pointless for me to have it running all the time, maybe someday Clevo will put the money into fixing it proper
     
  17. WildTwinsFan

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    Man having a rough time with the search function.....

    Powerspec 1510

    I'd like to see if I can find a 120hz, or even a 144hz screen replacement... how do I make sure I get a compatible replacement screen, I can live without gsync and a tn panel is fine for my needs.
     
  18. Chastity

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    Well you would need a panel, and a 40pin eDP cable.
     
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    I have a 1510 and using HWINFO I found the screen to be an LG Philips LP156WF6 so you could cross reference that number and probably find one on Amazon or elsewhere I am sure
     
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    Been dealing with the Clevo issue of disabling headphone out after Sleep. (What a PITA) Anyhoo, appears that CCC has a built-in app to re-enable the port, but will only do so on versions that display the Headphone options in CCC. (For me .93 doesn't work, but .80 does)

    If you want to uninstall CCC, you could copy the two files needed:

    InitHeadphone.exe
    hp.dll

    Just run the exe to enable the headphone port. Make sure the dll is in the same dir, or on path.
     
  21. WildTwinsFan

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    So it turns out I do not need a different edp cable, I replaced the stock LG screen with a AOU B156HTN05.2 , which is a 30 pin connector and its plug and play, 120hz, though the colors are not as good, as the IPS panel it's replacing, but it is running really nice. I do believe anything higher resolution or hz would probably require a 40 pin cable.

    G-sync is not working, (even though this is a g-sync panel) and I suspect it will take an actual bios update to fix that, not a huge problem for me, and I don't think I have the knowledge to fix that, I'll do some looking into it, if not I can live without it.

    Aside from unscrewing the 14 screws holding the bottom on my laptop, to unplug the battery, this is like a 3 minute job to swap panels.
     
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    Yes, sounds like it's not white listed.
     
  23. Canonfodder

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    So you put the computer into "Discrete" mode and it does not show as G-SYNC? the link you embedded does not work it will only work for someone that bought the screen, thanks for the info though
     
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    I was hoping it would somehow be, but it's not really a choice for a powerspec clevo, so it's not surprising. Sounds like it works on other clevo 650 models. I mean I'd choose it still same even if It didn't have gsync, but it's kind of a bummer it had it but won't use it.

    I did it worked and was an option available on the stock screen I did double check the descrete mode again and fresh installed my invidia drivers again just in case. The option doesn't even show up in the Invidia control panel, unlike before if the settings were wrong it would be there but greyed out.
     
  25. Canonfodder

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    @WildTwinsFan get a refund man and make them pay for shipping if they don't agree contact ebay and get a refund for them false advertising to many clowns on ebay pull that crap
     
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    You think it's the panel that doesn't have gsync? And not just an issue with the bios whitelisting the panel?


    Maybe I screwed up and bought the wrong panel... I guess I assumed all auo b156htn05.2 would have gsync, the ebay add doesn't actually say gsync, looking at it now ....
     
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    @WildTwinsFan It either has the gsync chip or it doesn't. The bios supports it with discrete mode and the 1510 has all the requirements that support it so yea any g-sync panel should work. Had a couple bad experiences on ebay so I am not a big fan :)
     
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    OK.... well I probably bought the wrong panel then... maybe I'll grab different one, I guess I kind of assumed that a particular model would have the same specs.. ****, not the biggest problem I guess.

    Thanks for your insight.
     
  29. Chowda289

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    Hey, it's been a while. First, why did the forum tell me I have 6 alerts; but when I went to click it, it changed to say no alerts? o_O

    Second, anyone still have BSOD, etc. issues with the 1510?

    I've been trying to fix my black screen issue and BSOD issue. My screen will go black sometimes. I'll have to close my lid to hibernate and reopen it to get the black screen to go away. If I open my lid from a long hibernation, it will show the Powerspec loading screen but go to a black screen for the Windows login. I have to shut my lid and move my wireless mouse to start up out of hibernation so the black screen doesn't show. (I'm guessing the problem is with my wireless mouse??)

    I uninstalled CCC and reinstalled the most recent version of CCC I could find on Clevo.com for this laptop, uninstalled/re Intel XTU (Intel XTU is now fixed and auto loads my profile! I changed it to -0.115V to be on the safer side.), opened Windows Device Manager and went through every device thing to make sure the drivers were up-to-date. Also, it looks like the GPU OC and CPU OC icons/programs that came with the laptop are now reading my temps. (Yay!) ;)

    Since I just recently did the drivers check, I haven't had enough time to see if my screen is still doing the Black Screen Problem. I'll keep you posted. HOWEVER...I had a BSOD today. :( I was playing Guild Wars 2 and had to switch to the battery because of a storm. I decided to click on battery saver to extend my battery time. Not very long after, I got a BSOD. The error was HKKbdfltr.sys Driver_IRQL_Not_Less_Or_Equal

    I thought it might be a problem with Nvidia, so I used DDU to completely erase Nvidia drivers/GeForce Experience and installed the current driver with GFE. As for the error, I read it could be related to/affected by SvThANSP.sys Savitech Hotkey Driver...but I'm not sold on that. PLEASE SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS!
     
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    Hey guys,

    This might not exist or be electrically safe, but for the 1510 model (not sure if the power bricks for both of these were the same), is there any kind of extension or adapter dongle that could go into the AC adapter plugin and then that connects to the power brick? I'm talking about the 90 degree cable that plugs into the back of the laptop and that is built into the power brick. That cable is just too short and I pretty much have to have the brick right next to the laptop when it is plugged in.

    Any way to extend that or will I have to buy an entirely new power supply?
     
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    1) I bet you haven't updated your Intel GPU driver, despite running on Discrete. Throw it into MSHYBRID and update that. I had some weird issues that was fixed by updating the Intel driver.

    2) That BSOD is the classic Synaptic driver conflicting with the default CCC setup. Google for a workaround.
     
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    @Chastity When I had checked every device driver under Device Manager, I recall updating the Intel GPU driver. However, I decided to look at the Device Manager again (today) and double check. Well...it wasn't showing the Intel GPU at all! I made sure I was in MSHybrid and restarted my laptop. It still wasn't showing any Intel GPU. :eek: I began to wonder if DDU removed those drivers when I did a clean install of the Nvidia drivers.

    I went to Intel and installed their Intel Driver and Support Assistant. (I couldn't remember what the Intel GPU is called.) It did a scan and said I needed to install drivers for the Intel GPU. It didn't find any drivers for the GPU on my computer. I downloaded the drivers and installed them, the laptop restarted and changed my display settings, and the Assistant said I was up-to-date. I did a re-scan to make sure everything looked good...and it kept trying to install the drivers again as if they hadn't installed correctly.

    So, I looked at Device Manager. Device Manager showed that I had installed the driver (but didn't have any previous drivers listed.) It said the device wasn't working, though. I went back to Intel Driver and Support Assistant to install again, but it said "operating system not supported." SHEESH I decided to try and update the drivers for it via Device Manager. After clicking on the Intel GPU and choosing to check for updates, it began to download new drivers. The GPU, then, was working properly. Strange though: it looked at if this was the first time the GPU had been set up/installed/drivers installed. Hence my reason for thinking DDU had somehow deleted the original drivers for it.

    I re-scanned with Intel's Assistant and it said I'm all up-to-date. :) We'll see how things go. *knock on wood*

    And yeah, I just read that HKK... is another touch pad driver that conflicts with CCC. Someone elsewhere said the touch pad is actually conflicting with a driver for CCC, which you can disable when doing a clean install of CCC??
     
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    Driver removal tools can certainly cause issues like that, they are a tool of last resort.
     
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    @Chowda289 I fixed my touch-pad issue by completely uninstalling via device manager, that means check the remove driver as well. The touch pad will work anyway windows will install the default ones that will work. From what I can see only the drivers that came with the 1510 will work proper so you will have to use those, not a big deal since they work fine for a real basic touch pad
     
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    @CM_11 There are universal power supply's and adapter tip sets on AMZ
    Edit I removed all that since while electrically it is the same the tip is not the same. I checked bit further and the tips won't match I measured wrong the Chicony one is 5.5mm (outside dimension) by 2.5mm inside, if I come across one that will work I will post it
     
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    @Meaker@Sager Good to know. I went to Options and chose to include the C: folder and performed a Clean Install/Restart per following DDU's guide. I was surprised DDU suggested to include the C: folder when the program says, "Not Recommended." Typo??? @Papusan Care to share your two cents?

    I see Nvidia released 399.07 today. I'm going to wait on installing it; and when I do decide to update my driver, I'll use DDU again but not include the C: drive. So far, everything seems to be working well. I've not had the Black Screen Problem...yet. (I'm surprised 398.18 didn't fix it, when it was supposed to.)

    I found out I didn't have vsync set under my GW2 game options, so that may be why I was having the lag during epic battles...but I can't rule out my ISP. I decided to set Optimal settings for it under Geforce Exp. too.

    @Canonfodder What did you completely uninstall? Uh oh, I just checked that the trackpad is still turned off...and well...when I use the keys to turn it off and on, it keeps saying, "Camera On" Let's see if a restart fixes it...
     
  37. Papusan

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    https://www.wagnardsoft.com/content/ddu-guide-tutorial
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    Read also...
    https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/993698/question-about-c-nvidia/

    nVIDIA GeForce Drivers v399.07 WHQL Findings & Fixes
     
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    @Chowda289 Great to hear you found an issue, and fixed it. Make sure you reinstall the NV driver too, to make sure all settings are set up properly. 399.07 Notebook driver issue with installing has been addressed, and NV released a proper driver package. It's a 498MB package, and if you downloaded it yesterday, I would get a fresh one to be safe.
     
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    I've not quite seen universal psus up to a machine of this calibre by the way.
     
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    @Papusan That's why I was confused. It said, "I recommend you select the C:\NVIDIA and C:\AMD folders"; but then, it says, "Not recommended" next to them. I decided to follow the guide statement and selected C:\NVIDIA folder. Next, I did Clean and Restart. If the folder only has to do with Nvidia, I don't understand why my Intel driver disappeared. :( Thankfully, I caught that and reinstalled it. I haven't updated to Nvidia 399.07 yet.

    @Chastity Everything seems to be working great, since I did the clean uninstall/reinstall of Nvidia and had to reinstall the Intel driver. (I hope nothing else was unexpectedly removed.) I haven't had a black screen or BSOD. I'm sure checking all my drivers for updates helped too. Maybe, the BSOD problem is a conflict being caused by the Intel driver that Powerspec installed? (I have no stats to back this up, though.) Although, I know the error supposedly is due to a touch pad driver and CCC. If anyone wants to be a guinea pig, it's worth giving it a try: uninstall your Intel GPU driver and reinstall it. o_O

    I do notice that the CPU utilization spikes up and down a lot, especially when I'm playing a game. Example: 40% to 60%, back to 35% I'll try to watch this more often. My temps always stay around 40*C. I think the highest it's done so far is 49*C while epic battling. At rest, my laptop is almost always at 37*C. (FYI, I've never repasted.)
     
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    If you do find any adapter or extension that would work, that would be very much appreciated. The part that connects into the wall outlet is crazy long, but the other part, not so much.

    Just one of the few quirks that I'd like to resolve with this system to talk myself out of upgrading it sooner than I need to. Add it to the list.
     
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    This one will (should) work it is for a P650HS-G which is what to 1510 is (Clevo) branded by Eluktronics
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B073RF97P8/ref=ask_ql_qh_dp_hza

    The tip dimensions are the same according to a person that owns one (don't go by the Picture is generic) and the voltage an wattage are the same but supposedly the power connector to the laptop is 6 feet vs. the much shorter one that came with the PowerSpec
    Price is a bit steep at 100 bucks.
    It is an odd size as far as the tip goes so there may not be many options
     
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    The longer the cord from the brick to the machine the worse the losses (much less on the brick to wall side) that's why especially on higher power bricks it tends to be shorter.
     
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    Anyone else here try the Battlefield 5 beta on their 1510? It runs great with a smooth 60fps on ultra. However, CPU temps are up about 12 degrees from BF1. Averaging 80 with a max of 87. I notice it’s because the GPU is at a constant 75 degrees, where it’s much lower for BF1. I wonder if it’s one of the video settings that’s pushing the GPU. Anyone test this out? I’m still trying to figure it out.
     
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    Tweaked engine with more effects, 100% loads in programs do mean nothing usually.
     
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    Yeah, I think that’s all it is. It’s pushing the GPU more that it does for BF1(GPU sits at a comfortable 55c in BF1). It is a Beta so it’s probably just not fully optimized yet.
     
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    I would not expect it to change much, it is an ea beta (ie this is the condition that we intend to release in).
     
  48. GrinningColossus

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    Can someone please confirm if using the dedicated GPU disables the integrated intel GPU entirely? Trying to narrow down reasons why Rome: Total War, a 14 year old game, struggles to run at 60fps while none of my hardware usage is maxed.

    Lowering my grass settings affects performance way too much for the flat grass textures the game uses. This game uses 2004, pre-3d grass. It certainly feels like it's using the intel HD graphics, but I thought that was physically turned off at a hardware level when set to discrete mode instead of hybrid.
     
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    When in Discrete mode, the muxer is bypassing the Intel GPU altogether. Easiest way to check is to open up the NVIDIA Control Panel. If you see all the options available, the Intel GPU is bypassed.
     
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