Ryzen cpu clevo laptops emerges

Since I am still discussing with the store I bought the laptop I am not using it (because of possible warranty issues).
I am wondering whats temps you guys are seeing? For the few minutes is was booted it was running very loud and also seemed to run very hot...

 

From what others have said its basically the fancurves being borked. In the owners-club thread they advise a few things. Among them being "Obsidian Fan Control"
https://code.obsidian-pc.com/product/fancontrol/

The thread has lots of useful information.

 

Hi,

can you post link to the thread?

 

Sure, my pleasure!

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/xmg-apex-15-with-ryzen-3950x.832568/page-14

 

Here's a question:

Is Clevo stock thermal paste good enough with the 3700x if it saves you $120 [extra tim cost not incl.] though amazon? I'm not one to tear down a laptop and I wouldn't while under warranty anyway. I'm not OCing the CPU, maybe minor 50-75mhz stock v. OC on GPU for a little extra whatever is possible.

...and here is a 2nd.

Can you disable optimus on this laptop?

 

The laptop is fairly loud no matter what paste you use.
I went from Clevo Paste to Coolermaster Mastergel Maker and it was still loud.

People are working on using fancontrol, downclocking and undervolting to make it quieter, but as it is its not a pleasant device to work with.

The Ryzen 3700x has no iGPU at all, So no optimus.
It always uses the rtx 2070

 

Clevo stock paste is junk. I would recommend an aftermarket paste for sure as the CPU in this runs hot enough as it is. Repasting is extremely easy on this model.

There is no Optimus as the CPU is not from Intel and does not have integrated graphics.

 

Only the APU series from AMD has graphics built in. Problem is the full mobile APU makes more sense then from a packaging point of view.

A fully power unlocked 8 core APU with an MXM graphics card would be cool though, could offer good battery life and performance.

 

So mine came in today with a 3600
r20 single- 454 decibels- 60 beside fan, 30 beside my ear sitting in front of the laptop
multi- 3405 70 db beside fan 40 beside ear

seems quiet to me so far.

 

Has yours not ramped up fans like a jet yet? My 3600x took off on first power up! I thought maybe I had applied the carbonaut wrong. It’s fairly quiet now, although it still ramps up during gameplay sometimes. Still need to start doing some tweaking, outside of changing settings in the power profiles.

 

When everything was installing yea, the fans would ramp up and I was worried for a moment. What tdp is your 3600x hitting and what clocks?

 

Wondering how the new Clevo's fans handle the Ryzen 7 4800H. The noise level of my current model is only bearable with headphones, unless I'm just using it for browsing memes and set the fan curve to start at 70C which is hardly ideal

 

These models are the desktop ones so 3900x etc.

 

Bad news guys, the usb 3.1 gen 2 on these does not work with the rift S, which was the whole reason I got this as a reasonably sized desktop replacement for VR. Oculus supports 3.1 gen 1. I'm trying to use a work around by running a usb-c to usb 3.0 adaptor and the part comes in Friday.

 

The Rift S is not compatible with different versions of USB? That's terrible design. I'm not sure it even counts as USB compliant at that point.

 

yes, it is oculus's fault, but leaves me in a sorry position https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/c1wd9y/possible_fix_for_138_rift_s_stutter_problem/

edit- used an adaptor workaround, now functional

 

Couldnt you just return the notebook?

You can always just buy another notebook.
Clevo has lots of new devices planned for 2020 and other OEMs will do the same.

I am sure at least one of them will work just fine!

 

Yea, I guess I can do that, I just loved the idea of the ryzen cpu and the 2070 in the mobile package ;_;

edit- with the adaptor workaround I am very pleased with this notebook. Excellent desktop replacement.

 

Yeah, its nice, but its not perfect!
Who knows, maybe the other notebook won't sound like a jet taking off without tweaking!
Technology only gets better with time, after all.

Sure, it sucks, but its better than sticking with a device that doesnt make you happy!

 

Have you tried all the USB ports?

 

yes. no usb 3.1 gen 2 ports will work with rift son this device, got confirmation with oculus as well.

edit- used an adaptor usb-c to usb a 3.0 and the problem is sorted, now compatible.

 

Hello All !

I have a Clevo nh50af1 model (it is from PC Specialist UK, and it was dirt cheap compare to XMG) the XMG Apex is a Clevo NH57 model as far as I know but internal wise all vital parts are the same with the NH50AF1. They are in the same model family NH5(X)AF(X)

Here are some thoughts about my nh50af1 model :

My Spec:
3700X
RTX 2070 "refresh"
2x8GB crucial 3200mhz ddr4 CL22
BIOS : 1.07.04TPCS ( from Aida 64 )

My Clevo model came with factory ( Clevo ) thermal paste and thermal pads. I found them quite low quality so after few hours of tesing from out of the box decided to upgrade them. It was so loud like a jet is taking off all the time

Factory thermal pads were undersized covering only 40% of the memory modules surface ! Very disappointing from Clevo ... ( seen other people puting together their barebone versions in china and I've seen they had the same undersized pads on the heatsink from clevo ... so it is a common issue ! )

CPU/GPU have been repasted with Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut.
Thermalpads have been replaced with Gelid Extreme Thermal pads 12.5W/mK. Used 1mm on ram modules and 2mm at other places, some areas needed other sizes, I stacked up 1mm and 2mm pads to cover those places.

I had to increase thickness at many places to have proper contact ! ( Pads squeeze easy )

I've fitted and removed the heatsink couple of times with all fresh thermal pads until I did not see a proper contour of the component in the thermal pads. Once all components left proper mark in the pads I put the Thermal paste on and fitted the heatsink finally

I give you my best settings that has achieved the Best Minimum and AVG Frames in Assasins Creed Odessy Ultra settings :

GPU OC: 2000mhz Core (auto Curve, MSI afterburner), Stays around 1800mhz under full load
GDDR6: 6350Mhz Effective 12700Mhz ( MSI afterburner )
CPU : Manual 3.8GHZ all core 1.0v core voltage (Zenstates)
Fan speed : Auto
Power Mode : Performance

I have run lot of benchmerks but I was using Assasins Creed Odessy because as I see, it exhausts the CPU and GPU very well.
Temps under AC Odessy:

CPU : hovering around 65 degrees in gaming
GPU : hovering around 70 degrees in gaming
CPU fan speed stays around 40-50% in gaming
GPU fan speed 100% in gaming
CPU power draw stays around 35Watts ( Peak is 47W )

Built in Benchmark FPS results :
AVG: 63
MIN : 36
Max : 122

The Ryzen 3700X running on all core 3.8Ghz 1.0volt core results around 35W power draw in gaming I find this more than impressive it is a big WOW

RTX 2070 can take a fair OC as well and running pretty good... 850mhz OC on memory modules is very impressive ( It starts artifacting around 950mhz OC so I decided to keep it well under that level )

However, I'm disappointed in Clevo not using the 14000mhz GDDR6 modules.... so we lose some performance here but these lower clocked GDDR6 modules have lower power consumption leaving few extra watts for the gpu, so 1 eye is crying the other one is laughing

Summary: This is an exceptional laptop and competes with most 15" laptops on the market that has not got the full fat RTX 2080 !

However this laptop is not for everybody, I've spend already more than 10 hours tweaking it and I'm still not done properly I have only left undervolting the GPU to reduce the 100% fanspeed and try to loose as little perfomance as possible with it Any questions welcome.

And here comes the lemon .....

Issues :

1st, if I open Ryzen Master I have serious stuttering, and cracking noise repeating overtime, checked with lattency checker, it skyrockets when the cracking noise comes over 10000us ... once I close Ryzen Master and restart the pc the Stuttering disappears and pc is running normal. I've been told this might be down to the memory modules and the infinity fabric does not like each other and needs manual tweaking but I've spent hours already adjusting the infinity fabric and the memory settings in Ryzen master but I just had enough from it. PC works fine with ZenStates, so I could udnervolt my CPU to reduce noise level.

2nd, ZenStates does not apply the clocks from startup ( even when I ticked the option for "apply at start" ) and sometimes my UV settings just ignored if I launch some applications and I need to apply it again in ZenStates the UV settings again.... ( I can live with it so it is not a big deal )

3rd, Bios is utter crap

Questions :

Anybody heard anything about any unlocked Bios ? Is it worth to drop a message to Prema ? ( He was cool at the past and sent me clevo bios for mobos and gpus at the past )

Has somebody got any idea about the stuttering issue when I open ryzen master ?

Peace

 

To optimise your setup you would want the thinnest pad to be 0.5mm, if you can get the whole heatsink 0.5mm closer to the core you can see double digit C temp drops.

 

It should come like that as per design, but if the heatsink does not make proper contact with 2mm pads ( I could just barely see the chokes, and the mosfets contour in the pad or not at all) in that case it is better to have another 0.5mm layer than without contact or just barely

 

Watch this :



2:48

how awfully undersized are the memory module thermal pads .... and I could mark the zones where was no contact between components on the mobo and with the thermal pads several places ...

I just removed everything and done it from scratch, checked the factory thickness all around, fitted the factory thickness with proper surface coverage, fitted the heatsink and secured it tight, after removal where I've seen no contact at all I just increase the thickness to achieve proper contact

 

What components were not making contact?

It's pretty hard to get that 0.5mm fitment on a mass produced product so they will go with what they have for consistency. Light contact is fine so long as contact is being made, the pads don't have to be squished to make thermal contact.

 

the problem is if I dont see any kind of contour in the thermalpad or that fatty residue from the pad on the component than there is no contact

Mosfets and chokes at many places did not make proper contact mate .... I should take photos really but this is not my first Clevo laptop and my P150SM-A was serving for me 6 years ( and I replaced all thermal pads on that one as well )

As I highlighted on the video at 2:48 the memory module thermal pads from Clevo are only covering 40% ! Of the modules .... that is a massive flaw....

I have repaired/refurbished hundreds of laptops and video cards but this 0.5mm thermal pad is like an urban legend.... almost NOBODY uses it.... 1mm is the smallest standard all around but seen many laptops/video cards with custom 4-5mm thick thermal pads on memory modules, chokes, mosfets as well

Funny though but my NH50AF1 came with around 10mm thick cube thermal pads that I could fit under the NVME drives to cool the controller chip on it 2 pads for 2 drives but one pad is huge mate like a big candy xD

to be honest my laptop is doing great as I see, temps are great and I could reduce significantly the noise level so I'm happy with it but the crap bios us annoying

 

Chokes really don't need to make contact.

0.5mm is rare from the factory for fitment reasons but that's why hand tuning the fit is rewarding.

 

Well I agree, I've done it on my P150SM and modded the case and the heatsink as well, however this is a brand new unit and it is still under warranty. Luckly PCS does not state in their warranty I can't replace the thermal interface inside the laptop.... but If I start modding that is a goodbye for the warranty

 

Thermal interface replacement should always be a user serviceable item IMO.

 

Agree, however most of the OEMs are not sharing the same view

Even many Clevo Resellers refuse any warranty query if the TIM has been replaced ( XMG a good example .... )

 

We would only reject it if we open it and find it has been previously opened and there is obvious physical damage or they did something like not put an important pad in or toothpaste rather than thermal paste. That sort of thing

 

@Meaker@Sager

Is there an option for us to have thermal pads and heatsinks installed on RAM, m.2 drives, etc? I am getting ready to buy and would like to get those things done for me if at all possible.

 

No, we don't do cooling customisation options.