Ryzen cpu clevo laptops emerges

I ordered on the 20th.
They cant get the regular version of the notebook for a while tho, so instead they asked me if i wanted an upgrade to the metal version. on the 23rd (i think). Status is still "processing".

Thanks @Meaker@Sager, i guess that might be why the noise-levels are a tad bit on the high side.

 

The PC Specialist here in UK has the same unit with 3900 and RTX 2070.
Under load with the GPU fired up, the fans were 'just under' 50 db (however, the maximum CPU temperature reached 95 degrees Celsius - which seems very high to me and not particularly good for long term content creation which can stress both the CPU and GPU simultaneously for long periods of time).
For crying out loud, the GPU alone (RTX 2070) is basically 115W, whereas the Ryzen 3900 (65W) pulls no more than 94W under maximum load and the GPU is MUCH cooler than the CPU - what gives?

https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/pc-specialist-nova-15-gaming-laptop-review-amd-ryzen-9-3900/#comment-jump

And even with the far more modest Ryzen 9 3900, a 65W, 7nm processor only available to system builders, the Nova X1 does get rather chatty. I'm sitting here writing this review, with just a browser running, and thing is still whirring away like I'm rendering Toy Story 12 in the background.

It runs at a little less than 50dB when you're getting the GPU worked up too, but it's still noticeable... and noticeably louder than any of the Ryzen mobile laptops we've tested recently.

Its possible the idle mode fan curve is a mess ... resulting in the laptop whirring up to a large RMP under relatively light loads - which could explain why its loud in idle mode.

But the article is (obviously) wrong about not being able to fit 3950X running in ECO mode as XMG is doing just that.
I suspect the decision to not include 3950x is just down to PCSpecialist and them just offering a locked down bios (not that it matters really as 3950X even in 65W ECO mode is too expensive of a leap to justify a heft increase in price for a not as large increase in performance as 3900 gets over 3700x).

'Little less than 50db' seems manageable... but its not specific enough if this describes the full CPU/GPU stress test at 100% or not.

 

It technically is supported if its allowed to run in ECO mode, but this chassis wasn't designed for 105W, and if he has a version with a locked BIOS, then he wouldn't be able to force ECO mode on it (as the chassis can more or less barely do 65W TDP CPU).

 

I'm also still in processing status too! I ordered on the 23rd and when I talked to the rep to ask about stock I asked him if there was any way to get the rush status on a barebones to get it asap but he said no it wouldn't be worth it because of the weekend rush etc. I have everything now since my 3600x and Kryonaut came in today, so now back to waiting.... hopefully it arrives by Saturday!

 

@Sbeezy I hope mine arrives soon as well.
Then again i have no idea how long shipping from the netherlands to germany takes.
I would love to know what the stock-noise is like with a 3700x.

 

I'm so ready to ditch this 6500u... I'm also anxious to see how fast my RAM will run and the temps. I'm also anxious to smell the smell of new toys! hold on lemme go sniff my 3600x real quick lol

 

We will probably have to wait for a mod-bios before we can really use our ram.
I posted on the XMG reddit page about them not planning to include XMP in their unlocked Bios.
One of the XMG guys promised a reply. Hopefully they see that not letting us use XMP or manually set our RAM clocks is nonsense and fix it.

...or someone makes a good mod-bios. I am fine with either.

 

I’m also fine with either option also! I wonder if enough of us can convince prema to mod us one with a nice bounty? I’d be down to pitch in on it! The problem is finding enough people to get in on it.

 

@Sbeezy Oh definitely. I am in as well.
Probably best not to mod the initial retail release of the BIOS tho.

Apparently the compatibility with SSDs/Ram is poor still.
laptopparts4less said that a fixed release should be available soon tho.

 

I just want to tweak till my heart is content, I don’t care if I break anything, I just want full access to configure my hardware like I want it, I think people who purchase a laptop of this caliber should have the option from the seller to have a novice or advanced bios!

 

I think they should do it like on modern ASUS boards.
Have a Simple mode and an Advanced mode.
Lord knows why everything has to be so annoying when it comes to notebooks.

 

All laptops should come from the factory with all relevant menu options exposed. The only things that should be hidden are menu options that serve no functional purpose and options that will brick the motherboard if the settings are changed.

Probably because the people that build and sell them don't care how it turns out.

 

I do have a 3950X. It idles around 35W and can get up to 88W under load in performance mode. This idle consumption is close to the 4800hs under load!

Supposedly the 3700X would be better at idle as it only has one chiplet and less infinity fabric than the 12 and 16 core parts. I guess we will know soon as others start getting their preorders in.

 

Normally my laptop should be shipped today. I hope it arrives by Thursday...

 

I really have no idea when my laptop ought to ship.
Got no info on any of that.
Its taking quite some time tho.

 

If I were you I would just mail him. in the initial mail after paying he said that there would be no update on the webpage and I should just mail him if I have a question.

 

I did two days ago.
No reply, yet.

 

Hmm, might have to do with yesterday being a public holiday in the Netherlands. I will update here once my laptop actually gets shipped.

 

That's mainly what I meant. Agreed!

 

For those that are interested:
Laptopparts4less receives its stock of "Clevo NH57AF1" (the metal lid one) this thursday.
They will ship the first ones out the same day.

 

I was curious as to which chassis you purchased, I have the 58af1! Hoping to see some movement today! The chanting from in the closet my parts are in is getting louder my the minute!

 

I just hope someone with a 3700x and lower replies here to tell us about the noise levels.
Hearing from people with a 3950x has me worried.
The noise levels there are very high.
Meak said that this is because that cpu is not supported and the fans dont know how to deal with it, but i am still worried.

 

Since I don’t have crap else to do because of this whole virus stuff I’ll be running tests on mine with carbonaut and kryonaut so I’ll report my findings.

 

I have a 3600 coming in with the all plastic body NH55AFW from another supplier. I'll test it and give you a shout. However, I'm thinking the metal lid will offer a bit of protection to the screen.
1 Will a 90% srgb vs. 72% ntsc be an appreciable difference?
2 How rigid does the metal lid feel and does it confer better durability?
3 Is the plastic clevo like the rubber thinkpads in terms of feel and rigidity? Thinking I will swap before delivery for the metal lid.

 

1. I’m wondering that as well
2. I’m also curious about the feel, I would hope it’s just as rigid as the lid of my hp envy 17
3.Every Clevo laptop I’ve come across has been top notch in terms of rigidity.

 

@Sbeezy Cant wait to hear your results!
I am gonna go with Coolermaster Mastergel Maker. Still have a full tube of that here.
Difference between that and Kryonaut is fairly small, so i probably wont repaste.

 

I wonder how long pastes last in the tubes? I have 11g of kryo,about 2.5g of As5 spread over 3 tubes that’s from 2011 and some tuniq TX don’t recall the number but it’s also old as methuselah. I would throw them in the mix but there’s charts on where AS5 stacks up and it’s in the bottom 3 iirc.

 

@Sbeezy Thermal paste does expire. Most last around 2 to 4 years.
Its easy to tell tho if its gone bad.
If it has seperated, or has gotten gritty you might wanna buy some new paste.

If it still looks and feels fine you should be good to go tho!

 

I think I just woke my family hehehe, I decided to check my email and I saw my shipping notification!

 

@Sbeezy Thats awesome! Hope it arrives soon!

 

I’m expecting Thursday at the earliest to Saturday at the latest! Hopefully Thursday as my family will he out of the house and I don’t have to worry about my two youngest squirting the thermal paste out of the tubes or breaking the carbon pads.

 

nice!

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/xmg-apex-15-with-ryzen-3950x.832568/page-7

Second post. Someone reviewed the notebook with a 65W Ryzen 3900.

Still way to loud apparently.

 

Not stopped from working and supported are very different.

 

Someone here received his 3900.
Thats a 65W part.
Apparently its really, really loud.

 

Youch... I don't think I'm willing to risk potential headaches in that case (it would be impossible to do any proper work with an excessively loud machine in classes - nevermind gaming or doing work at home without headphones).

 

I totally get that. I decided not to cancel my order, because i believe this is because the bios and software are still very new and not ready for primetime.
I think this is fixable.

The moment we can create custom fancurves this won't be that big of a deal anymore.

 

May I ask how do you reckon?
I agree that working custom profiles are a good thing, however, I cannot understand how this will make things better.
Realistically, by lowering the RPM amount of the fans under maxed out load, you are left with the inevitable increase in temperatures - and this thing already gets into the 94 degrees Celsius range on the PC Specialist version here in UK it seems when fully stressed (but possibly the fan noise is lower than on XMG - aka just under 50db, or so the review said - however, it wasn't clear whether 'just under 50db' was under idle, moderate or maxed out load - this is for the 3900 CPU and RTX 2070 - the GPU was running on a much lower temperatures when maxed out).

I agree that you can probably achieve same temperatures with slightly lower fan noise if you play around with it, but given the chassis size and the fact the cooling is barely managing to handle a 65W CPU which caps out at 90W under full load... it makes me wonder whether it will make any difference (and also, isn't XMG supposed to do this themselves?).

I'm just sceptical that their current maximum temperatures for 3900 of 82.5 degrees Celsius and 'really, really high noise' can somehow achieve under 50db and moderately increased temperatures which don't exceed 90 degrees Celsius for example (and even then, running the CPU and those levels or higher for extended periods makes me question of how well will the rest of the motherboard parts cope with it).

Perhaps using Liquid Metal on the CPU might help out in that case, but XMG said they avoided using it due to fears of spillage (which is a valid concern I suppose - AMD Zen CPU's don't have your regular layout, so how do you ensure the LQM doesn't spill?).

 

@Deks From what i have read the Fans kick in to hard and to soon. Trying to keep the CPU at 60C.
Which is ridiculous. Even a really beefy cooler like the Noctua NH-D15 cant do that quietly under full load.
It has to be configured to accept higher temps as the baseline.

Under constant full load fans will of course spin up harder tho, no matter what, but that doesnt mean necessarily that even then 100% would be justified or would even help much more than a lower setting would.

We shouldnt expect constant boosting to the maximum available clock all the time, but thats exactly what it does. All Boost, all the time.
It would be perfectly fine if it went to max boost for a bit and then clocked down due to thermals, but it doesnt, because the fan is constantly going hard so the CPU is cooled enough to keep boosting... etc, see?
Its a spiral of noisy idiocy.

 

As an owner of a Clevo DTR for the past 2+ years, I got a chuckle out of some of the responses in this thread. Since Clevo moved from 5V to 12V fans for their DTR notebooks in 2016, they have always topped out at around 60 dBA at max fan speed. Fan noise is inevitable for handling desktop class hardware at acceptable temperatures inside a notebook. The MSI GT Series are even louder, and they have some of the best cooling around.

 

Just received mine. Laptop looks really good but is very unstable... As soon as I put a load on the ssd windows freezes and the laptop does nothing... Very frustrating with a brand new 1700 euro machine. I contacted the shop sinc the laptop was tested before shipping -_-

 

@Chaker Laptopparts4less said there were issues with the current BIOS version relating to SSDs and RAM.
Apparently an update was supposed to release very soon.
If you ask them they may already have it!

 

Tbh, just thinking about returning the machine.

 

I totally understand that, but i think this is fixable.

 

You have a Samsung 970 Evo Plus, correct? If you run Samsung Magician and do a diagnostic scan, or maybe check if firmware is out of date or the NVME driver didn't get loaded. Did you add or change any hardware since you got it?

 

We sell the evo plus in the units so that's working.

 

To all the people who already got their units.

Could you check the bios version you got on your devices?

Thanks in Advance!

 

Real interested in all this stuff too.
You can see my sig for the unit that should be arriving for me any time this next week...
Yea I'll be posting benches for the curious.....since I'll be curious too.

 

How do you intend to transition to raid? Are you going to take a backup image first? It's worth keeping around as a base in case of issues.

 

Not really sure yet.
My main drive is a evo+ 1tb that performs just fine but considering getting another for raid0, not for performance but because it'll be cheaper than getting a 2tb.
I keep everything on a nas with a few externals as backups so reinstalling isn't a big deal for me, just wipe and go.