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    SLI MSI 1070 MXM in P370EM... An adventure

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by bennyg, Jun 17, 2017.

  1. dellienware owner

    dellienware owner Notebook Evangelist

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    Anyone have a link, I wanna buy a single 1070 to put in my p377
     
  2. bennyg

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    This SLI bridge was from early on in this model's life... Fermi 670M's. Maybe the cards can determine the speed.

    Re AotS I think it was just the GPU focused benchmark for some reason. Playing the actual game in dx12 mGPU it was bumping up against 120hz limit with Extreme preset + 8xMSAA. 120hz on a RTS is pointless so I limited to 60fps anyway as the slave card cooling isnt good enough to keep it below 90C at >100W draw.
     
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    sicily428 Donuts!! :)

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    Mxm 3.0b?
     
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    thegh0sts Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    This card doesn't seem to be any different than the 980m that i have its the same size double checked before, so i think so there's no need to make such changes
     
  7. sicily428

    sicily428 Donuts!! :)

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    Are you talking about eurocom/gecube gtx1070?
     
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    sicily428 Donuts!! :)

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    it's a good thing right??! Please this got to be good!! ( ̄ロ ̄)
     
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    sicily428 Donuts!! :)

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    Eurocom is testing that card in many old clevos and alienwares atm.
    so ask @Eurocom Support for ypur model
     
  12. dellienware owner

    dellienware owner Notebook Evangelist

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    yes 3.0b
     
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    sicily428 Donuts!! :)

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    Check that eurocom/gecube gtx1070 card too. It is mxm 3.0b
     
  14. bennyg

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    The green eurocom/gecube 1070 will not need any case modding it's the standard 3.0b 82x105mm rectangle

    See the pics at the start of this thread for the shape of the MSI 1070's I used
     
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    thegh0sts Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    If you guys look at the pics the eurocom 1070 does not have an SLI connector so buying 2 in the hope to do SLI is delusional.

    Sent from my SM-T560NU using Tapatalk
     
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    That's fine I'll call eurocom on Monday and see what they say
     
  17. bennyg

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    Also try nbr user @woodzstack - he is a eurocom reseller iirc
     
  18. andrewff2

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    Thats why i wanted that one i don't want SLI... most games don't work well with it :/ and i will play most of the time in FHD
     
  19. woodzstack

    woodzstack Alezka Computers , Official Clevo reseller.

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    What can I do to help you or whomever ?

    Yeah I am an official reseller of EUROCOM products, I am not them though, I have my own business, we consider ourselves partners though, and are relatively close, even physically we're like an hour away from eachother.
     
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    you might need to figure out how to disappate the heat then....gluing down some extra heat pipes might do it.
     
  21. bennyg

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    Temp test on master GPU:

    AOTS GPU DX11 benchmark @ 3840x2160 60Hz (DSR). Single 1070 @ 1975mhz/0.975V (dropping to ~1920mhz under temp throttle), 40-55 fps average though I realised later I had a 60fps limit through RTSS. 3 minute benchmark

    90C max, *average* power draw 160W (peak 179W) which pretty much matches my vBIOS TDP mods of 161W avg/180W peak

    I think the master GPU heatsink will do fine with 115W

    Mods:
    max fans (prema bios function)
    liquid metal
    tape mod between fan housing and rad grills and foam chunks in the corners (all to try and stop escaping airflow of which the EMs have A LOT stock)
    mesh mod on bottom case under fan intakes (adds only 2-3C on the master GPU)
     
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    bennyg Notebook Virtuoso

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    Users above asking about Eurocom's standard 3.0b size mxm 1070

    The size of the rads is also a problem, not only are they split (separate for gpu core and memory/vrms) they are less than half the depth of the rads on the P870DM.
     
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    Eurocom confirmed that there will be no SLI support for 1070/1080 upgrades.
     
  24. thegh0sts

    thegh0sts Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    of course, you can tell from the images.
     
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    t6nn_k Notebook Consultant

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    Didn't saw a 1080 pic. Could you share?
     
  26. andrewff2

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    I've checked all of those mods on my part and will only use one 1070 (for now at least maybe going for 1080) cause i will only play games in FHD, does someone know any 4k compatible screen for the p375sm??!?
     
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    Hey there guys, sooo yeah its working... the only problem is windows right now... not detecting the card.

    Windows detects as Microsoft vga adapter..

    Anyone has some ideas into how can i make it work?

    Installing nvidia drivers did not work as well should i change the dll from the installer then it will work?

    Should i go for a new bios for my p375sm (right now using premamod)?
     
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    Which 1070 and where'd you get it?

    Windows not recognising? or nvidia driver installer? What does device manager show under Display Adapters?
     
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    OK the main thing is it works and displays!

    I think you just need an INF modded driver. You can try the latest whql one here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ql-findings-fixes.810077/page-3#post-10620963
     
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    You want the driver package file (from Nvidia) and the INF package for win10 for clevo, hosted on mega. I just downloaded them myself.
     
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    ohh OHHHH i get it lol sry did not read the post just got into the link

    the only doubt for me right now is witch dll should i use?!

    tired the
    Clevo PEG: nv_dispi.inf + nvcvi.inf

    -but the driver got me an error... will try others
     
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    Yeah no clevo PEG no MSI PEG...

    Will try others till i reach the sucessul install
     

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    bennyg Notebook Virtuoso

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    Have you rebooted with DSE off?
     
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    this? bcdedit.exe /set nointegritychecks on

    yeah...

    Should i go for someother thing?
     
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    UPDATE
    hey it work!! more or less,\

    Put windows in testmode and driver installed

    Now display is only on hdmi not on lcd screen lols!! will try another combination of files to see if it will work on display and not on hdmi only
     
  39. bennyg

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    Hmm I think user Darcoder had some issues with certain panels, he had MSI 1070 in P377SMA. Try searching his threads for ideas. Youre getting beyond what I know as I don't have any experience with SMs of any sort
     
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    Np bennyg, u helped me alooot at least i know that it`s working what i have to do right now is to find with the guys who know the way to fix it, i hope to find it :/

    I will sleep now, 3AM here in Brazil!!
     
  41. bennyg

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    Downgraded vBIOS to 86.04.31.00.0C, tried various driver packages. Still can't get any driver other than 375.70 to work (i.e. not code 43).

    Edited power limits so that stock is 100W and max is 200W. That way the slider % values now directly correlate with reported watts. Annoyingly though since the OS reinstall after switching to UEFI, MSI Afterburner no longer has the automatic 2D/3D selection profile options so it doesnt automatically boot to my 1975/.975v curve that avoids the 1.03V+ related crash. Curve editing is a massive PITA. Wish the values were stored in plain text I would rather manually edit an INI!

    There's something in these cards that needs what is in the MSI driver package for the Vortex G65's. And 375.70 dated 18th November 2016 is the latest driver for a Vortex 1070 model, nearly a WHOLE YEAR OLD, absolutely disgusting ongoing product support for a very expensive ($3000usd+) product line.... shame on you MSI, I would be spitting copious bile at you if I were a retail customer who bought a G65.
     
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    So will this work In a p377?
     
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    bennyg Notebook Virtuoso

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    ?

    Single card vortex 1070 with SLI worked in Darcoder's P375SMA, only on stock 1080p60 screen, but not aftermarket (120hz or 4K). Not in SLI.
     
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    And who not be about there were water coolings put on the laptop? there is a sense to put it?
     
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    Did anybody try to run dual gtx 1070 cards via PhysX Setup instead of SLI?
     
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    You mean turn sli off and run the 2nd as physx only? I tried that when getting my head around AOTS and mgpu in both dx11 & dx12. Seemed to work ok. I also tried single card firestrike running physx on the 1st gpu vs the 2nd, for no discernible difference.

    Is there a specific app/game/settings combo to test?
     
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    at me unfortunately one is necessary (((
     
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    Forgot, I also ran both cards installed without sli cable for a short while early on when trying to debug what turned out to be the voltage related crashes, GTA5 ran on single gpu and I can't remember whether slave was configured to do physx or not - if gta5 even uses it
     
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    the power supply unit 330w will be enough mine for sli 1070 and 3940xm? with normal heat sinks?
     
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    Might be ok, my wall meter read 290-300W with the 3740qm and -200/+675 mining eth. Temps from memory approx 70C/80C on the GPUs at stock 115W limit.

    However it's really close to some kind of limit because at zero offset on the GPU cores, sometimes the CPU would get locked to 1.2ghz until the power cable was removed and reinserted. It wasn't an adapter overload because the adapter didn't turn off. This is prema bios too btw

    With dual 330W's and the joiner I've had it as high as 500W no problem at 160W per GPU (except temps of course...)
     
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