Sager (7280) Clevo (X7200) Power Supply Issues.

You would think a comp that is geared towards the HIGH end market of gamers and tekies would not have PSU issues running stock benchmarks and furmark. Any one know the company's past record on issues such as this...and how difficult is it to get a 400 PSU? (would you need a hand cart to move it)

 

the easiest solution for them will be is to ship you an extra PSU with a spacial cable/connector that will connect both PSU's in parallel 20v-600W:yes: or ofc a new psu,,i dont think they will make a bigger one...

 

LOL


You my friend are naive, one thing I've come to learn is that almost all of the time the techies from both Clevo's resellers and AW learn from members here first, not the other way around. I'm sure Joker could be the head of Dell's engineering/testing team right now as it stands.

 

Just don't play GTA IV on this machine with a 300w PSU.

That said, give it time for this machine to mellow up. The screen is kinda disappointing from what I hear and now that I have my M17x I wouldn't go back to anything else (unless it's a HP Elitebook). I would love to see how this machine handles memory and XMP since Kingston is rolling out 1866mhz HyperX sodimms (would be nice if the M17x supported these modules).

 

The machine works perfect with games and benchmarks i think is because of the desktop chipset no throttle no stuttering or flickering is just like a desktop but the PSU can't handle the machine just playng a game using 324 watts is not like you have headroom for nothing to bad i don't try GTA 4 that game probably uses more CPU.

 

Oh, and either way, Clevo might have to recall them because there could be some serious concerns with a PSU potentially overheating and catching fire. Especially if we're talking minimal to zero OC'ing, this is a serious concern and could potentially cause injury or death. I mean imagine you're in Starbucks playin' some Metro 2033 on the highest playable setting with epically uber OC'ing your system....and then all of a sudden the PSU catches fire and the building burns down. I mean if you're getting that close to the limit with 0 overclcoking, that is NOT good. No bueno at ALL.

One thign to note is if you go on AVADirect's X7200 page, if you look at the optional Clevo Notebook Car Adapters, you can purchase a $45 TRIPP-LITE 375W PowerVerter Car Adapter. Do you think that could be used instead of the included PSU? 375W looks to be plenty for medium OC'ing but I don't know if that could be used as an AC adapter instead.

 

i understand what you say but give me a break who will be in Starbucks playng with this machine

 

Yes, I see what you mean. What make and model kilowatt do you use? I want one

The 375w car adaptor sounds interesting, shame I can only OC while in my car

http://www.tripplite.com/en/products/model.cfm?txtModelID=2660

 

Please lets see the obvious, the power supply was not designed for the unit.
The components on the motherboard may not even support more power.

Loads of people taking credit, but I have read the threads on this machine. More than a handful of people stating 400w supply needed.

Does anybody have any technical specs on this machine's motherboard.
Voltage regulator type ?

 

You could use a car-to-wall adapter.

 

Damn, didnt even know they were invented lol, just seen one on ebay

I shouldnt have to be looking around for a suitable psu after the monies I've just dropped though lol, but a combination of the 375w car adaptor (which has a peak spike of 600w) and a car to wall adaptor could work? ROFL! But as a wise man above said, can the components even handle more power?

I'll just stay with one gpu lol, video editing is what I really want it for, the PS3 will play my games

The excitement has dwindled a bit

 

i use the Radioshack Killowatt

that link you post is just for a power inverter it will not give more power to your PSU if you want more power you need a 20v 15 amp 400w PSU and that could be expensive

 

This company will make a power supply for your unusual needs that's what they say Custom power supplies from BEAR are compact and reliable

 

Over clocking was one of the listed selling points

CLEVO - Products

 

Well then it's clearly misleading.

 

You never thought of maybe using them?

What you gonna do now speedy? Give up on laptops, or you waiting for clevo to sort it out before buying again? It must have been difficult to send that unit back

 

There will be an easy fix for this, I don't want them to tune down the machine, just tune up the PSU.

I don't care if the PSU ends up bigger, it never was a notebook, it's always been a portable desktop replacement.

 

quote by : scotty

In all seriesness though, the laptop has had plenty of time for realizing 350 watts wasnt going to be enough. What exatly is indicating that the PSU isnt doing its job right in lamens terms? I suppose the resolution to this would be for those with the 980x and nvidia 480 cards to get a 450 watt PSU.

 

I agree, hope the insides can handle the extra power though. All existing customers should get the new psu free darn it

 

Isn't it a desktop chipset etc... They put 1000w+ power supplies into desktops

(I suppose the 480m's and other items aren't desktop specs)

 

I think alot of you have little experience with logic circuits. You cannot just grab a power supply and hook it up. Does anyone know if the voltage regulators are good enough ? If you start running 500w without this knowledge you will have a 4k pile of scrap.
This is a massive flaw as the only reason to spend 4k and up on a machine like this is to OC and game. If had ordered one of these someone would be spitting teeth.

 

You make a good point. This would be a total waste of time/money unless Clevo designed the system with more powerful PSU's in mind. Many vendors offer several PSU options for their systems (i.e. my HP8740w has 4 options - 60W, 90W, 120W and 200W).

 

True, but we are talking needing at least 400W or to add a margin 450W. That's just nuts for these types of power supplies. I have several catalogs that I use at work of these types of supplies and they all max out at 200-220W. This is going to need a custom job for sure.

I would be pretty confident the insides are ok with 450W. If Sager has 3 MOSFET's in Parallel for the AC adapter control they would be more than okay (if they use the same as the 8760, which is likely)

Anybody have a service manual? I would be glad to look at this.

 

http://www.lpc-digital.com/files/3302695/uploaded/ClevoX7200ServiceManual.pdf

 

Thanks,

Yes! Sager has 4 MOSFETS in Parallel. They are pretty good at building a good margin on the inside, wish I could say the same for the Power Supply.

Come up with a 400W supply and it should help a lot to fix this problem.

Edit: I have yet to look at the other supplies to verify they are capable of running the heavy loads. Give me some time to look at the i7 980 and what is being supplied to the MXM slots

 

Clevo's website might have got losts in translation, maybe they didn't mean "Overclocking" they meant "Overloading"


hehe

 

What can be done knowing it can handle 400 watts? Ask clevo to buy a different power supply for the laptop? How hard is it to make a powersupply lol?

 

I mean it's not hard... But doing that means Clevo might have to recall all PSUs from the seriously pissed customers.

 

Well get to it if it's not that hard

We expect you to have that ready for us by tomorrow!

The problem isn't that its hard, it may be that it will take some time. Like I said in my earlier post to make a supply with that much current is nuts to begin with, and most certainly is a custom job.

 

Hold your horses, guys. So far it's only Speedy's PSU ... it could be a malfunction in his specimen only, and not a general problem, you know. It could be.

 

They can have it back only if they replace it first!

 

Hi Highly doubt that, right off the bat the watts were exceding 350, and shutting down the AC adapter. Can the slower CPU's other then the 980X be overclocked? Maybee its only the 980x cpus being effected.

 

Unfortunately, the same was reported in this review. Their system was using a non-extreme CPU and the PSU still shut off...

 

I think that pretty much says it all

 

good find Aikimox well done.

Wow so its now going in the direction of a lawsuit. They have sold a faulty item.
Also tells alot about Sager and the way they test machines or don't test should we say. This Stinks to high hell. I feel for all you early adaptors that have to file chargebacks and or seek refunds. Good luck.

Still no comments from resellers, and they tested them also !!!
Speak up or loose your rep !

 

Gosh, you USA people lol, always taking your fellow brethren to court. I hope its just a case of new psu, fixed, the end

Maybe the resellers are investigating, I'm sure they'll speak up soon

 

no one has to take anyone to court. you have 30 days to return the product for a refund. at it's current state i do not see why anyone would want to keep the x7200 SLI version. i mean, you cannot even stress the system without instability. anyone that cares about data security will constantly have the raid array checking itself for errors and that alone takes hours each time with a system crash.

 

I was thinking this: are your comments necessary" will they make a difference and why you discharging all your negativity here? my god!!

there is still a lot of people waiting for their systems and they maybe be OK like the other guy says maybe mine was defective

 

hmmm data security... delicious.

Also: it's funny to see how some people are freaking out for this. Come on, speedy is not even as mad/angry as you guys are.

 

true calm down guys

 

Well i have two in transit with tracking numbers, I did not want to reveal as this as it would fire up more people, Delivery Thursday.

And i have crucial c300 ssd's and i ordered mine with 980 and dual.
So reading the threads I am in for a bad time. I also own an 8850.

I am not as calm as most people would be ordering 10 thousand dollars worth of laptops that seem to be arriving defective. I used AMEX is my only saving grace

 

Speedy, how much juice the 980X in your desktop uses when OC'ed?

 

i don't know because hw monitor show 147w but is not accurate

 

You could probably run Prime stock vs OC'ed with a kill-a-watt to check the difference.

 

I just wanted to post the official statement from Sager about the shutdown of the PSU that has been experienced in this thread. In a nutshell it will be looked into...

'We have not seen this issue under our in-house testing, a much more robust and stressful test are done here at sager before the units are shipped, as well at this time we have not received any reports regarding this issue from Sager customers / Dealers to us.

However reviewing the forum post it seems that the user is able to trip the internal breaker switch of the AC Adapter, which could be caused by quite a few different types of conditions, power surges or brown outs related to incoming power from.

Users can be assure that the AC Adapters is very safe as it is designed with internal safety breaker in place, to reset the breaker if tripped it is to unplug it from the wall socket and plug it back in.

However as with the forum topic we will schedule and conduct some testing and we will work with Clevo if we see anything that might raise any flags and in regards to our users concern as well.'
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

 

Well if you say the GPU’s use at peak 200W TDP and the CPU peak rated at 130W TDP your up to 330W under heavy load, Add the rest of the system and your margin is used up. I know the lower end power supplies usually have maybe 10% over rated power, but I would be willing to bet the 350W supply is maxed out.

 

This is a generic first answer expected from any reseller/vendor/etc in such cases.
When more owners receive their systems and discover/confirm the problem - the situation will change. Hopefully, Clevo will react very fast and offer a solution.

 

you guys need to run furmark AND prime95 at the same time for hours and under abnormally hot ambient temps to assure stability of the entire system.

besides this point i think it is simple math and common sense. 330w is required for the gpu's and cpu. that is already 30w above the rated psu. run any psu above it's rated wattage and you run the risk of random instability under these types of loads.

maybe they thought there are no two real programs users will be running at same time that can stress the system besides burn tests or something and that is why they kept with the 300w psu. i think they should implement a 400w psu for any 480M SLI order to ensure stability since people that order these are not going to hold them on their laps or use them as a notebook. i mean, they only have a 30 minute battery life sitting there at idle.

 

Yeah, very few companies would test their systems in such a way even though that's one of the few methods to actually check the system for stability.
They probably just run system diagnostics, WEI, and some random games/3Dmark06/etc.

 

Furmark and Prime lasted 20 seconds on Speedy's machine before the PSU turned off...