Sager (7280) Clevo (X7200) Power Supply Issues.

No overclok of any kind

 

Long before this thread was created, before anyone had the x7200 -NP7280, this system was to have the 460M as a base GPU for it. The 480M was to be the top of the line GPU for it. These options, and more will come some day, have nothing to do with the PSU issue in this thread...

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i would hope so.. but 300w psu. 130w cpu 100w x 2 gpu =330w that alone is something to be concerned about.

when i get my unit and test it.. with real world applications and if it doesn't work.. i will post my findings.. as i have done in the past.. and if it does hold up.. the same.. then overclocking video cards as well.

i indeed hope there is no issue. but math says otherwise.

 

According to Andrew the cpu consumes more than 300 W so the total needed power at full load (cpu+gpu) will be more than 500W.

 

Hey guys where to get latest Intel XTU?
want to try running 980X stock at mabe 1.00Vcore......

anyone get red head hyperx?
without tunning it runs 1333 CL7 or 1600 CL9?

 

Actually, I have just come back to Germany and I am going (to try) to arrange an appointment with these guys to get a live idea of the non-glare screen (and resp. its brightness). I intend to take my ThinkPad with me, so I can make a better comparison and provide some feedback. To be honest, there are exactly two things that I am most worried about regarding the X7200 (and you have summurized these pretty well)

1) Screen brightness: As stated above, I hope to uncheck this one soon.
2) PSU issue: Actually, I don´t care much about gaming as long as the occasional run of SC2 is fine. But I do care about stuff like number crunching, CUDA and encoding, and it would not be very nice if these manage to bring down the PSU when combined in one or another way. Hence I am eagerly awaiting the solution from side of Clevo, hopefully it won´t include performance penalties.

 

Runs fine on 1.100v passes linx stress test. Will try 1.00v. Dont know about hyperx, wish i had some

Works great at 1.00v too

 

Latency has no noticeable effect on performance with current intel chips. You're not missing anything.

 

I have noticed, you see no difference in real life applications, but for overclocking, it will sure beat my 1333mhz ram, want to try hyperx's 1866 ram, will the x7200 accept it?

 

Looking forward to your findings, M8!
Keep us posted, please!

 

Ok so we can't overclock till They do something about the power which sucks. But I've been looking around for something similar in specs to the 7280 and even with it not over clocked can anything come close to the i7 980. I'm not as worried about the gpu as much as the CPU since I mostly do 3d rendering which stresses the CPU most.

I'm looking at getting the i7 980. 12 gb ram. At least one 480m if not just go ahead with both. Two 500 gb hybrids with the 4 gb ssd.

But Is there even a real rival laptop that has as much for similar price.

 

The systems might be usable with the Clevo utility power on. This utility limits the performance so that the power stays within the limits. OF course you lose the whole OC.

 

Maybe with this utility turbo mode is disabled. And the cpu remains at stock speeds.

 

Short question: does the X7200 has a silent mode to throttle GPU clocks and fan speed while not gaming?

 

So just heard back from the guys at malibal (where i got my 7200) and they say clevo has told them that there will not be a new PSU but there will be an adapter (you can purchase) so you can string together 2 PSUs (probabaly have to purchase the second PSU as well.) Well this is not the exact solution I wanted to hear! but I really could not see any of us lugging around an even bigger PSU. I suppose you could take one PSU with you when you are out and about and leave the other and adapter at home.....hmmmm now I need to think..return and wait for alienware or keep....I hate decisions!

 

Bad decision Clevo.
Bad, bad decision.

 

Look at it from the positive side. The SLI PSU would deliver like 600W or more. Thus all the OC freaks will be more than happy.

 

atleast it's something.. i think it's kinda cool. if this is indeed true.. modular PSU upgrade.. heh..

you said it.

 

I'm with you bro, what the heck!?

No way they would do a recall eh, this way they solve problem and make more money, if its true and clevo say 2 psu's can be used, they are also saying the system components can handle the extra watts, time for a custom psu for me, non of this 2 huge psu's rubbish lol

 

I think this is the best solution they could offer us (if true).
Most people won't even need a bigger PSU.
Those who are into OC'ing and benching will be thrilled to have a 600W budget.

 

Yes this is the what Clevo is leaning toward that is of using an adapter to string together 2 PSUs. This is not for sure in stone so to speak but what they are leaning toward...
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I guess you could say that. It's just the fact that there are some people that will oc but not extremely, which makes 300W not enough and 600W too much.
Not complaining though, a solution is a solution.

 

Are they considering just one huge one instead eh babyhemi?

 

amen! that's exactly what i was thinking. the OC Enthusiast will be pleased.

 

I can see where they are coming from if true but its still a lame fix...

What about new games coming out, if BF Bad Company 2 almost trips it what is Crysis 2 (etc) going to do? Surely there is not enough head room for just standard usage like high end gaming, you dont buy the worlds most powerful laptop to have it fail by things as simple as playing modern games.

Totally shame faced by it not been able to play a game!! Thats not a real champion. Its a weak point and a cheap, lame and weak fix.

The PSU SLI will be the joke of the computing world.

A single 600w option is far better.

(Ps... They just might Just be monitoring peoples response at the moment).

 

i see them maybe offering both.. some people might be fine with the 300w.. some might want to upgrade.. like with 460/70m 300w might be fine.. but with 480m it might need to be upgraded to single psu for new users..

but i think this is for the early adopters right now.. the quickest-cheapest fix..

200 dollars vs 400 dollars..

i don't see a custom 600w psu being cheap.

 

The latest I have heard from a reputable source is at this time, "Clevo is working toward the direction of using an adapter to string together 2 PSUs." That is all...

 

Hmm, PSU SLi. I hope this works as when you're on the go you could bring one psu and left the other at home, and when you're at home doing OCs you could just plug those two adapter together?.

That will currently solve the problem of having to bring the 600w brick on the go when you're going for work everyday

 

This is going to be the joke of the laptop world.
A 500w bigger brick would be more elegant. It wouldnt be that much bigger.

 

they aren't that mobile anyways bud.. lol.. to a lot of people outside the boutique scene.. they are all ready a joke to the laptop world.

who wants to have these on their laps.. i have had 3 clevo's and they all got parked after taking from point A to B. never took to a cafe or the park.. Home--Work--Friends House. Close to an Outlet.. really.. they are meant to be plugged in anyways..

they are DTR's. I think it's cool that we might be able to bridge two psu's together and have 600w..

 

so lets say i have the x7200 already in my home with the 300 watt psu and all of a sudden,clevo offered the psu sli, how can i order that?

 

If that PSU item is indeed provided by Clevo then your seller or reseller should be happy to make sure you get this part...

 

I have been holding off ordering my laptop to see how they fix this problem and either the sli psu or say 500w would be fine with me I just don't want to have to add a couple hundred to the thousands I'm already going to be paying. If it doesn't come with the solution they are basically screwing themselves making it not really the fastest laptop out there by tying its hands behind its back. Who wants a caged beast? I know I want mine to be free and rein destruction on the laptop world.

 

Well you probably have to pay over $200 extra for the second PSU and the adapter.

 

Question:
How is this laptop suppose to work on battery alone if it needs such a big brick to breathe ? Does it have some sort of internal mini power supply to run with the battery ?
Just curious rly !

 

I do not think it is supposed to work on battery at full performance. Any laptop is going to less power mode when on battery. Someone mentioned before that such high current would damage the battery anyway and it would hold only for a few minutes if at full performance.

 

This talk of a second PSU made me go check Clevo's page on the X7200. I did not see this before:

Under the "Power" category in the "Detail Specifications" page, there is this: "(Factory Option) Power converter box".

Could this be the solution?

Link to this page: http://www.clevo.com.tw/en/products/prodinfo_2.asp?productid=279

 

I was extremely interested in this laptop (if one can call it that) back when it was announced and the ATI cards were also on paper.

Then they dropped the ATI and stuck with Nvidia and I thought that it was still a good deal, although I would need to spend more money for the overpriced 480s.

Now they decide to "fix" the power issue by making you buy both a converter and a second power supply. Unless they release a true fix , 400W-500W PSU, I'll not be buying.

 

i dont blame you

 

clevo should release the new one with 400W for normal user and converter box for enthusiast user IMO.

 

I'm on the fence still. Hope they resolve it soon, the current PSU doesn't really give me some sense of confidence, it seems like even 980X and 460M SLI might trip the PSU.

 

Totally agree!!!!

Im waiting for the i7 995x which is due out soon whats it going to do to the power draw?

 

Just a note it has been documented on this and other threads, the vast majority do not trip the PSU when doing intense gaming and moderate overclocking. Many can run Furmark and wprime at the same time and it will not trip the PSU.

Please note that this does not mean that there is not a potential problem for those doing extreme overclocking and extreme gaming with some games, this is why Clevo is working on this fix for extreme users. I think in time all will be solved.

We just do know whether there will be a single PSU solution, like a 500 or more output one in the future...

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Could you please provide a reference for that? Thank you in advance!

 

when we start considering a 500 or 600 PSU don't you think we might be reaching the point of silliness just a bit? i mean around there couldn't we just remove the mobile GPU's and stick in a desktop GPU ( which is significantly quicker then their mobile counterparts). Was just a thought i had while i was sitting making lunch lol.

 

You have a good point there

 

Below is my personal test. Maybe others can chime in here on theirs...

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...x7200-power-supply-issues-11.html#post6768086
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With all due respect and please forgive me if I am wrong, but all I am seeing there is furmark testing only a single gpu out of the SLI and only one worker in prime95 instead of 12. If you want to stress the system the way we are talking about here, you should launch the multi-gpu furmark, set prime95 to 12 workers and then let both tests run simultanously for a while In case you haven´t gone that route, but you want and will, don´t forget to keep us posted. Also, all of us would be very glad to provide assistance if needed

 

well there is something like this already going on called the vidock.

 

It was 12 thread prime95 and at the same time furmark with SLI fully enabled during the tests for an hour.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...x7200-power-supply-issues-13.html#post6768526