Sager 5760 (aka Clevo M570U) Announced!

Well, I guess it then comes down to ordering w/ 2x1GB (just to have a functioning machine) and then experimenting w/ 2GB DIMM's until I get a set that works right -- reasonable approach and I am sure that I can make a friend or two out there when I declare the 1GB modules surplus...

Don, thanx for the quick response!!!!!! I will be speaking w/ you or one of your sales rep's on Monday....

 

Thanks.
this just definitely saved my decision of just doing my Pre-order next week instead of waiting until July for the 512mb 7900GTX
I am a gamer, but I just want a good Laptop that will last me a good couple of years.
Don't care much about bragging rights lol.
Only person I need to impress is me, myself and I.

 

paladin44, thankyou for clarifying that up. FPS is what I'm after in the long haul, and the 256mb version will have MUCH better shaders then the ATI 9800PRO 128mb I'll be coming off of, so that seals the deal for me.

Ok, one last question. Honestly, is it worth paying an extra $200 for guaranteed no dead pixels? I'll be getting the WSXGA+ if that makes any difference...

 

ok guys, i am decieded for new sager 5760 but here is my question. can someone give me some advantages of 512mb gpu over 256mb? just performancewise. i am architect/designer/gamer and use programs such as 3ds max, photoshop/ilustrator, acad, and yes many games indeed. will i see any gains in theese programs/games by having 512mb version of geforce 7900gtx?
thanx

 

Dead or lit pixels on a WSXGA+ resolution are pretty tiny. Unless you have the "it just has to be perfect" attitude I wouldn't bother with the guarantee.

Keep in mind that dead pixels are a result of LCD technology. It is much less of a concern today than it used to be because the technology has improved so much. There are 1,764,000 pixels on a WSXGA+ screen, so 2 or 3 dead ones is really quite understandable. The dead pixel policy for Sager computers is the best in the industry. If you have more than 5 dead pixels it is a warranty issue and will be replaced. In addition, on the Sager NP5760 (and all 17" screens) the Sager policy is they will not ship with any in the center square of the screen…see
http://www.powernotebooks.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=303 and
http://www.powernotebooks.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7515

You can also take advantage of the Return Policy if you are not satisfied. The Return Policy is stated as the first paragraph of the warranty. To read the warranties please go to
http://www.powernotebooks.com/warranties.php3.

If you return it for exchange, there is no guarantee that you will get a screen with no dead pixels.

Bottom line is that if it absolutely positively has to be perfect, buy the guarantee...otherwise spend your money on something that is REALLY important...remember...tomorrow is Mother's day

 

For the engineering and PhotoShop/Illustrator, ACad, 3Ds Max type applications it will not make one bit of difference for you. Zip, nada, nothing.

As I said in my earlier post, the only real difference might be noticed in the Shaders for the very high end games.

90+% of all users couldn't tell the difference between 256MB or 512MB in a high end video card like the GeForce Go 7900 GTX

 

O_O;; So let me get this streight, with the normal coverage, "non-pixel garentee" If you get more than 5 dead pixels, OR there's just ONE dead pixel in the center square of the screen, you can have it replaced?

 

Yes, at any time during the 1 Year Warranty, if more than 5 dead or lit pixels develop you can get it replaced.

Or, if within 30 days of the invoice date (your shipping date) even a single dead or lit pixel develops in the center 1/9th of the screen you can have it replaced. If you are not sure whether it is in the center 1/9th of the screen, we can send you a little utility that will put the pound sign on your screen so you can see whether it will qualify for replacement.

 

I agree that the No Dead Pixel warranty is not necessary. I have heard very few complaints on the forums for any type/brand of notebook having dead pixels. There was a poll done a while ago, more than 90% of the people had perfect screens.

The Sager warranty is nice. My notebook's WSXGA+ is a perfect screen.

Chaz

 

Hi all, my first post here
Does this mean that one can add 2X2GB totalling 4GB on the Sager NP5760-V?
Why do the specs then say it supports up to 2Gb RAM? instead of 4Gb as in the Dell's and Toshibas?
TIA

 

If you read this thread you will see that the reasons have been thoroughly discussed. If AFTER you read the thread you still have questions...please post again.

 

I added more general info in the original post thanks to everyone here.

 

I'd just like to say WOW, HOLY ****!

I had to ask whether that warenty information was true. More than 5 pixels out of a million or so. Or one in the center 9th of your screen, you get a new one. That's just fantastic, at least to me. ^^

 

Well, thats a quite hostile welcome....
I generally do have the habit of reading First and Then asking.
Most of this thread is devoted to the GPU performance, and since i couldn't find or understand a straightforward answer, I posted my question...
Perhaps LazloInSF could shed some light.
The question is if the 5760 Supports up to 4Gb ram, (not if the modules are available now) and if so, why doesn't Clevo or Sager mention it on their specs,but say it supports up to 2GB ram...

 

Here is what Donald said:

You can put 4GB in there, but it is terribly expensive right now. Better off waiting a few months.

Chaz

 

ok, i understand that there is no real need for 512mb graphic card but what about future. i want to be able to play games in decent quality in half year. have you guys seen upcoming projests like Crysis or Haze. those games visually are not comparable with anything thats out right now, and are scheduled to come out already at the beginning of nex year. in not talking about 512mb graphic memory making sense right now but in the near future too. i gues it will have sense to have it when games will be having larger, more quality textures/shaders/models...

 

I apologize if my reply seemed hostile, it certainly was not meant to be, but if you look at my earlier post…

You will see that the question has been answered in a straight forward way with the information that is at hand.

At this point the pieces of 2GB are so rare and expensive they are not commercially viable…it is that simple.

Now, Sager and Clevo (and PowerNotebooks.com for that matter) have enough business sense than to post specifications that are not commercially viable because we would be bombarded with the other side of your question which would be “Well, if the Sager NP5760 SUPPORTS 4GB why aren’t you offering it”

So, business judgment suggests that we specify and offer what is commercially available in the market. Anyone who studies the Mobile Intel® 945 Express Chipset will know that it supports 4GB as I stated in my earlier post in this thread, and will also know as has been demonstrated pretty clearly in this thread that the only way you are going to get 4GB in today’s market, if you can find it at all, is to spend close to $2,000 for the memory alone.

So, I guess we can either answer the question that you posed, which is why don’t we show it in our specifications, or we can set it up to answer the other question about if it is supported why don’t we offer it.

I hope this helps, and again I apologize if I seemed hostile.

 

Sorry for quoting a post from several pages ago, but I wanted to follow up on this. I understand that in most laptops the video is not unpgradeable, but in the Clevo 570U/Sager 5760 that is a feature. My question is more on the line of where/how do you get new mobile graphics cards with which to upgrade?

To me the option to upgrade my graphics card is truly a revolution in laptops as the chief problem with laptops is the very limited upgrade path, forcing you to buy a very expensive one to avoid obsolescence (at least for gaming and graphics intsensive stuff).

Would it require shipping to a systems integrator/vendor? Or could it be done by a semi-competent engineer (ie. me ). If it could be done easily it seems like it might allay the fears of those who are worried about the 512MB 7900 and future games (which are sure to induce slow downs at the highest resolutions and max textures by next year)

edit - fixed some grammer

 

Incidently, Eurocom offers both a 4GB configuration (at admittedly prohibitive price) and single 1x 2GB DIMM (to allow expansion to 4GB later by buyiing another 1x 2 GB DIMM) configuration at a remarkably more reasonable price. If 4 GB is a priority you might want to look at them.

http://web.eurocom.com/EC/ec_model_config1(1,175,0)

edit - added link to Eurocom's m570u

 

The problem with Eurocom is that they are notorious for posting things on their website long before they can ship them. If you go that route, be sure to have a firm understanding from them as to when they can ship.

 

Buy the laptop with the GPU you want . . counting on the fact that your GPU can be upgraded is a bad idea. Sager/Clevo sometimes release updates for the cards, such as with the 9860/9880/9890 - all were evolutions of the same model with different graphics cards. The cards were sold and could be upgraded.
I don't know where you would buy the cards, I imagine that they would be an accessory/spare part for the laptop. Not like you can go to a site and pick one up.

 

This was answered in the "nVidia GeForce Go 7900 GTX with Sagers?" thread.

So the answer is that it is really easy to swap the MXM video cards, but until the new card has been properly tested in an older model you cannot be sure that it will work. We have asked Sager (and Sager is requesting of Clevo) to test the new 7900 GTX in the Sager NP5720 and they will let us know the result shortly.

Then, if it does work you will be able to buy the cards themselves from us or any Sager reseller, and they will also be available from several other sources...just Google for them.

 

The Sager NP98xx series is a perfect example of what I am saying. You cannot upgrade an NP9860 or NP9880 with the 7800 GTX (or the 7900 GTX for that matter) because it required a more powerful AC Adapter and the motherboard had to be re-worked. That is why they introduced the NP9890 instead of just offering the 7800 GTX in the earlier models.

Sager has in the past offered upgrades for earlier models to the newer models, but that has always required a whole new motherboard, not just a video card upgrade.

Until the new video cards come out and can be tested, the laptop manufacturer never knows for sure whether it will work (notwithstanding what some manufactuers might advertise and try to get you to believe), therefore ChazMan421 is correct...don't count on ever being able to upgrade. You might be able to (e.g. the Sager NP9880 could take 4 different cards from both ATi and nVIDIA), but then you might not...

 

So another question about configurations for you Paladin...

Eurocom offers a second battery option in the modular bay. I don't think you guys or any of the other vendors selling it as the Sager 5760 have that. Is it available somehow, or not an option on the Sager?

It seems like an attractive choice in a fairly power hungry system like this.

 

It is available on the NP5710, but not on the NP5720 or NP5760. We were told by Sager it is because of the power requirements of the video card, but I could never make sense of that.

I have watched Eurocom make claims over the years that too often have turned out not to be true or deliverable. I really don't mean to flame them, but TRUTH is the perfect defense. You really do have to be careful about believing everything they put out there.

 

There seems to be no doubt about the 2GB DIMMs. They have the component in stock, the laptop supports it, and they have given me a quote with it included. The battery option is a different matter as they don't yet have the laptop (like everybody else).

From a little research it appears that other resellers offer the 2nd battery with the ATI graphics card, but not the Nvidia. I could see them making such a mistake. I'm not entirely sure I understand why it is a limitation though...

 

I appreciate the elaborate answer!
BTW, I myself quoted you in my initial post, but wasn't sure if 4GB are officially supported, since even Clevo does not mention it... For me the option of upgrading to 4GB in the near future is important, since I will use the notebook for compositing and video work.
So the best solution would be to get 1Gb now and wait till the 2gb modules become reasonable?

 

Yes, and my thanks too, to both Paladin and Chaz for the more elaborate answers. I hadn't fully understood the reason for the "buy the laptop with the parts you want" suggestion, probably mostly because I wanted to believe otherwise. It is too bad, it would be nice if serious upgrades were possible.

 

Yes, that seems to be the best solution at this point...unless you are simply made of money

 

Don't be discouraged...serious upgrades may well be possible. We just don't want you buying something and relying on the unknown, and then being disappointed because the yet to be released is, well...yet to be released. No one can tell for sure what new technology will bring.

Better to not rely on it, and then be pleasantly surprised than the other way around.

 

Although I'm somewhat surprised that Kilim hasn't gotten to it already , the Sager 5760 is now available for pre-order via PCTorque.

Just a heads up.

 

lol I have to sleep and actually do soem things Real Life lol.
PCT must have just added it while I was playing BF2 and/or while I am taking care of my 3 yr old lol

PCT Product Link added to original post.

 

Ok.
So I just talked to Luke@PCTorque and the WSXGA+ Resolution version of the 5760 should be up in the PCTorque website soemtime tonite.

Was just told that the 5760 WSXGA+ will NOT have the $100 off discount and will ONLY be $40 less than the WUXGA+ version.

Also PCT estimated shipment time is the 1st week of June.

After checking out ISTNC, Discountlaptops, Powernotebooks & PCtorque, I have decided I am going to buy from PCT as they fullfill the needs I have.
Not saying the other resellers are not as good as PCT.

But I need Full Extended Warranty AND Accidental Damage Warranty.
And PCT is able to give it to me for the least amount.

SO Now I am just waiting for them to update the 5670 WSXGA+ product page so I can finally pre-order my VERY 1st laptop

 

will it be possible to get this laptop in the UK?

 

The truth is, Rockdirect.com is the reseller I know of that was able to initiate the 1st Pre-order for this.
They call it the XtremeCTX
Rockdirect is a UK based reseller.
From what I hear from their customers, its a good company.
If you live in the UK, you can even pick it up from their store if you want.
I think they price it pretty decent too.
Almost pre-ordered from them myself but decided to wait it out for teh US Resellers to get them.

Also they have a 3 yr collect & return policy included with all purchases from them.

Also, the initial review of this system was off the XtremeCTX w/ an ATI X1800XT 256mb.

 

/* is confused*/

I was told by pretty much everybody that Clevo does not use MXM. Talked to peeps from PCTorque, talked to reps from Clevo (he was very firm about it) and when I was these pictures I pretty much laid it to rest.

So... Like... What's the story?

 

thanks for the info, i checked out the rock site and they seem very cheap, blow dell out of the water!!

Thanks, im gonna keep my eye on rock from now on, not looking to buy for a month a too, just keeping my options open.

 

ISTNC also offers the second battery option.

 

I stand corrected. They are not MXM, but they are still easy to swap (Remove under cover, remove cpu heat sink, remove GPU module, replace GPU
module, replace cpu heat sink, replace under cover, done). However the issues regarding the upgradability are still the same.

I apologize for giving bad information before.

 

This is not surprising since ISTNC buys their Clevo units from Eurocom.

The issue is the secondary battery for the Modular Bay is not strong enough to give the nVIDIA 7800/7900 GTX video cards the power they need. Once running on that battery the system becomes unstable.

The primary battery is strong enough to keep the system stable, but the secondary battery is smaller and therefore is not strong enough to keep it stable.

 

Rockdirect.com DOES offer a FREE 2nd battery ONLY if you get the ATI X1800XT as the video card.
Meaning with the ATI X1800XT you can have the 2nd battery plugged in at the same time.
BUT
They have stated that it is NOT possible to have the 2nd battery loaded at the same time while having the Nvidia go7900GTX.

So thats 2 resellers stating Nvidia 7900GTX + 2nd Battery at same time = No Go.
And I think the Rockdirect.com reps stated what paladin44 pretty much stated as well.

No idea on the Nvidia Quadro + 2nd Battery plugged in at same time though.

PS:
Edited the original post to include more info about this product.

 

SO I am still waiting for PCTorque to have the 5760 WSXGA+ Product page to be up so I can make my Pre-order.
They stated it will be $40 less than the standard WUXGA+ model.

Because I am bored at work and excited about this, I played with the Configs and this is what I decided I will be pre-ordering once the product page for it is online later.

Sager NP5760 = +$2,097
WSXGA+ (1680 x 1050) Glare (Glossy) Type Display = -$40
Pentium DUO 2.0GHz Processor (Yonah / 2 MB L2 Cache / 677 FSB) = +$100
nVIDIA GeForce 7900 GTX w/256MB
2048 MB DDR2 (667 MHz) Memory (1024 MB x 2) = +$160
100 GB Hard Drive (7200 RPM) SATA = +$75
8X DVD±R/RW / 4X+Dual Layer / 5X DVD-RAM / CD-RW Multi Drive
Integrated V.90/56K Modem (V.92 compliant)
10/100/1000BASE-TX Fast Ethernet on boardLAN Card
Internal Intel 802.11a/b/g Wireless LAN
Add Internal Bluetooth Card = +$50
8-cell Smart Lithium Ion Battery
4-in-1 Flash Card Reader (SD/MMC/MS/MSPro)
Integrated 1.3M Digital Video Camera
Ac Adapter w/ power cord included
Free Carry Case
Microsoft Windows XP-Home = +$70
1-year parts / 1-year labor warranty from Sager
2-year Extended Warranty w/ On-Site (3yr total) = +$95
3-year Accidental Damage Protection (ADP) = +$275

TOTAL = $2,882

Parts in Red are what I changed from the Default system.
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I have a Student Upgrade copy of Windows XP Home and I am thinking of just using that for the OS.
(Do I need to buy a 2nd copy of Windows as I am already using this copy of XP Home on my Desktop?)
Considering I am just going to be using this laptop for gaming and possibly networking w/ my desktop and my 3 yr old son's desktop I am going to build, I shouldn't need XP Pro right?


I also already just ordered from Newegg the Kensington Black Contour Backpack Model 62238a ($52.99 + 7.99 S/H).
I will be ordering the Razer Copperhead Tempest ($58.99 + 4.99 S/H) and Vantec LapCool4 LPC-430 ($54.99 + 5.99 S/H) probably next week.
I love the standard 3 day UPS Shipping with NewEgg

The only thing I am iffy about is the Vantec LapCool4.
The 5760 is 15.6”(w) x 11.5”(d) x 1” ~ 1.8” (h).
The LapCool4 is 305mm x 245mm x 22.7mm (Open) or 12" x 9.6" x 0.89" (Open)
Anyone have any other suggestion for a LapTop Cooler or this is a good one to get for the 5670?
(Think of using it both as a laptop cooler and my Hub.)

 

Yes, you do. You can't have it installed on more than one computer at a time.

Unless you need to join a domain or use the advanced networking features, skip XPP. XPH can network.

BTW - a bit off topic, but the Anarchy and Chaos versions of the Copperhead are about ten dollars cheaper than the Tempest; I don't know why that one is more.

The system you configured is top of the line. It's much better than the XPS M1710 in my opinion, lesser-priced too - no comparison. If someone compared my Sager to a Dell, I'd be insulted.

Chaz

 

Thanks Chazman, you are my saviour as always.
I edited my last post to include the XP Home as my OS.

I actually have the Logitech G7 on my Home PC, but decided to check out the Copperhead for my laptop.
Also, I know that the Anarchy and Chaos versions are a tad cheaper than the Tempest for the Razer Copperhead.
The Copperhead Anarchy has red lights while the Copperhead Chaos has green lights.
I prefer the blue lights of the Copperhead Tempest and it would match my Logitech G15 if I decide to use the G7 for my laptop
AFAIK the lights are the ONLY difference and no idea why it would make such a difference in price.
You can even se them side by side here and see no difference but teh cost and light color:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...2E16826153105,N82E16826153106,N82E16826153107


Other than that, really would like an input on laptop coolers for the 5760
I tought the Vantec Lapcool4 LPC-430 would be a great choice.
It has extra USB Ports, controllable fan speed and an 8-in-1 card slot (in case I need some slots the 5760's 4-in-1 don't have).
It also folds so it is portable.

 

Well, I jsut found out tonite that PCTorque will NO longer be selling laptops
So I am going to be buying my laptop at DiscountLaptops.com tomorrow morning after they answer my final questions.
DiscountLaptops is $35 more than the config I would have at PCTorque and this is with the Extended Warranty and ADP included.
PowerNotebooks.com is even cheaper but I need the ADP so I chose DL instead.

I guess the next time I post here will be the final config of the laptop I have Pre-ordered from DiscountLaptops.com.

 

Yeah, I just read about that. Bummer.

 

Ok I haven't Pre-ordered yet because 1 more question came up.

I noticed that Windows Media Center is available OS at PowerNotebooks.com.
I have NO idea what is teh difference between XP Home vs XP Pro vs XP MCE.
I did notice a MCE Remote.
I am guessing this should be able to control the laptop remotely for various functions (ie: CD/DVD, TV and various media in my laptop.)
This function sounds ideal as I may use my laptop as a Media Center hub for my bedroom at times or where ever I want it to be, great for vacations.
I am very laid back now and having a remote to do such menial functions would be excellent so I can be lazy and do things remotely.

But I am also going to be using my laptop as my gaming machine and possibly connect it to 2 PC wirelessly networked at home.
And more than likely have a wireless connection at work.

Will I need Windows Media Center for this or the other flavors of Windows XP better for me?
I know I will need to purchase teh remote separately, but I think it only works w/ Windows MCE?

 

What kind of questions arte you asking then (DiscountLaptops)??

I just placed my preorder with them last night - I have not talked to anyone yet. I plan on calling them with a "revision" I left off the warranty (extended & ADP) from my order. I will probably get one year extended ($50.00) as well as one year ADP ($100.00). This is what I pre-ordered:

Sager NP5760 - V
WSXGA+ (1680 x 1050) Glare (Glossy) Type Display
Pentium DUO 2.0GHz Processor (Yonah / 2 MB L2 Cache / 677 FSB)
nVIDIA GeForce 7900 GTX w/256MB
2048 MB DDR2 (667 MHz) Memory (1024 MB x 2)
100 GB Hard Drive (7200 RPM) SATA
8X DVD±R/RW / 4X+Dual Layer / 5X DVD-RAM / CD-RW Multi Drive (Pioneer DVR-k16)
Integrated V.90/56K Modem (V.92 compliant)
10/100/1000BASE-TX Fast Ethernet on boardLAN Card
Internal Intel 2915ABG 802.11a/b/g Wireless LAN
Add Internal Bluetooth Card
8-cell Smart Lithium Ion Battery
4-in-1 Flash Card Reader (SD/MMC/MS/MSPro)
Integrated 1.3M Digital Video Camera
Ac Adapter w/ power cord included
Free Carry Case
Microsoft Windows XP-Professional Installed, recovery CD included
1-year parts / 1-year labor warranty from Sager

Cash Price of $2511.71

I am buying this for my son who will entering college this fall. This will be his graduation present. Also will be his first laptop - he in an avid gamer.

 

Most of the questions I am going to ask are menial really.
Specificly what brands the parts are, do they use arctic silver 5, etc.
I guess just some extra questions so I can feel better about the purchase after they are answered.
I have another reseller I am actually waiting a price quote on, but I am more than likely going to Dl due to the Warranty & ADP and excellent ratings.

As a side note.
I think it was Chaz that once posted for an investment, 1yr warranty per 1k purchased.
Specially if your son is headed to college ... you and I know what "really" goes on in college.
I expect to use my laptop at least 3 years if not longer.
With me having a 3 yr old, I needed the Full 2 yr Extended Warranty (3yr Warranty Total) and 3 yrs of ADP.
I am also intrigued by this LaptopLoJack I just read in the front page of this site.

If your son is going to be lugging his laptop around campus, suggest you get him a backpack or rolling-case made for it.
There are many out there and some are cheap while others are VERY expensive.

I already posted in my previous post what I chose, the Kensington Contour.

 

I guess you have verified that the 5760 will actually fit into that backpack?

I have a friend that recently bought a Sony Vaio, 17" and got a rolling case for it. It was advertised to fit 17" laptops, but when he got it, his would not fit!!

I do plan on getting him a "good" backpack - sounds like the one you are getting would fit the bill for me.