Sager Dealers to begin taking Preorders on the NP5790 (M570RU), NP2090 (Compal IFL90), & NP2070 (Compal IFL91) on 6-15 at 6 PM PST

There is no fingerprint scanner on the NP5790...

IMHO it is definitely NOT worth the $330 to go to the T7700...way too much money for not much performance boost, and for gaming you won't be able to see any difference.

 

Sure - this goes back to the previous 5760 where the 2.0 was the "sweet spot" between price/performance. Which one would you say is the equivalent on the Santa Rosa version?

Regarding the fingerprint scanner... it's confusing that all the photos we had seen up until now all had the fingerprint scanner. Just look at the gallery at Eurocom. Maybe all the photos before were of a prototype? Maybe they'll introduce it later, maybe it was a marketing deal..who knows.

I gotta say - this is a great machine, no doubt about it. Problem is, It's really not that different at all from its predecessor. This one is still my favorite but since it's not all that different than the one before I'm waiting to see what else gets released in the next month or two. Dell will probably finally come out with their new XPS units and who knows what else.

Overall, even if that happens I know the SAGER will be a much better value overall, but lack of any significant changes is making me have have to wait. Darn...more waiting

 

I'm sorry it looked like a fingerprint scanner. I got my info from here...

Other frills include a webcam, subwoofer and fingerprint security, along with a snazzy orange trim.

and here....

There are also built-in stereo speakers and a sub-woofer, as well as TPM security, fingerprint reader and built-in web camera, NotebookReview reports.

Maybe it's like the D900C's 2.0MP Camera, a feature to be added later. Thanks for the correction.

 

now that they are taking pre-orders and i see the real specs, i get disappointed majorly... i was hoping they implemented the fingerprint security std, as on the eurocom pictures.
other than that, the 8700m is not more than an overclocked 8600.
no turbo mem, not complete enough specs.. and wtf is that with the fact that the white trim takes longer to ship etc?
is that colour so hard to fabricate? does the white paint make the trim more stiff so you can't click it on with ease ? i mean... what are we even talking about here...
i feel let down after seeing those expected specs, and then find out it's still configurable with a 7950 gtx, which might be the best option FOR NOW, but it 's not a STEP AHEAD... missing turbomem, no 8800, no std fingerprint scanner, 2.0 instead of 3.2 megapixel camera, etc etc etc
i don't want to go for that cheap compal either because it's 15.4 inch and it looks like my grandma's underpants

 

The M570RU is a legend !
They should just release like the other brands will do.
Wait till it can have new stuff and extras then release it.
I dont even trust that its GPU is upgradable anymore, it might be another "marketing deal" .
Yesturday i could configure it with a secondary HDD to swap with the DVD bay, today there isnt that option on xoticpc anymore .
After my m1710 got stolen i need a built in FingerPrint Scanner and it doesnt even come with it.
more waiting here too ...

 

Really? I thought there was fingerprint scanner.

 

not only waiting, it seems like all they care about is that you buy the old 7950 gtx first, which everyone already has, and then, when the high end dx10 cards are out, buy a newer one and sell your old 7950gtx that nobody wants.


if any representatives are reading this: i don't care about waiting till august etc, but all we hoped for was a good laptop that did it all, that was what the m570RU would set apart from the rest, good looks, good specs.
Now it turns out to be releasing with aging early 2006 stuff, and the details about the damn 8700m -which has lost all my trust already- haven't been given out either...
the selling companies should think through the eyes of the customer, and the customer wants safety, reliability, and doesnt want to buy a marketing semi-concept incomplete model with aging stuff in it.
the exact and FINAL specs list should be posted in my opinion, just for the companies not to lose the customers who lost trust in the m570ru like i did.

 

I don't think there should be anything to be upset about over this. As far as I can tell 570ru is still a good deal, if you look at the price right now compare to 570. I think that 8700m will be available by mid July, but many are waiting for the 8800m....

 

i just wanted somehting like on my signature
or a 17" Asus V1JP with a 8M high end or 7950GTX upgradeble by now(mid june) .
I thought 570ru would be it .
I might forget about what i like in 17" laptops and see how the 15.4" LCD Asus Lamborguini VX2 comes out, hopefully it doesnt and probably will come with the 8600 gt :/ .

 

they are already having problems implementing the 8700m in there... heat and power problems... how the hell will they offer an 8800 in it @384 when they can't even implement the 8700m, which is nothing near top end.

 

It's not that we're upset (At least not me), rather I think we all had "expectations" of what the follow up to one of the best overall laptops out there would be. Expectations are a dangerous thing...but in the end we all have them.

Based on initial speculation found in the Interwebz and our own desires we "expected" this new version to be the answer to all our needs. lol..it's funny but hey, we did. Now that we see that it is basically the same laptop as before (i know there are some differences..see my previous post) we are forced to contemplate looking elsewhere for our latest and greatest fix.

Bottom line it just means more waiting, which sucks I know but what else is there to do. I still do not know of any other lappy that can compare pound for pound with this one. This is why it is still my favorite...but I guess my relationship with it is no longer exclusive...savvy?

 

Right, I mean you could probably got almost a same laptop couple of month ago for about the same price (5760). But 5790 means lots of potential. I been waiting for this thing for long time. I was quiet disappointed about 8700gt, but I think the price is just about right. It was actually little lower than I expected. You get 7200rmp 160gb, bluetooth, Santrosa chipset, 2gb Ram, and 7950gtx for about 2200bucks. I do not know how 8700gt will effect the price, but as far as I can tell it is still a good deal. However, I have to say we need to have something better than the 8700m.

 

yea, there's where my disappointment lies also.. the pre release info gave a much better image of the specs than they really are atm. and we, stupid naives that we are, thought the 8700m ( which is a CRAP card if u want high end, while nvidia claims it's superb ) would be into it at the start of the m570RU, now it's just another one of the laptops....
if only the 8700m would have been skipped in the first place, and they focused their eyes on an 8800 gtx........
not speaking about the fingerprint hype... it's not THAT big of a deal, but seems like it's a whole lot of mismarketing that doesn't help to get a good view on clevo and it's resellers.
on rock's forums they keep saying ' we still have a few surprises '
but they also say: ' ill eat my hat if something better than the 8700m comes out in the near future ' which tells more about the incompetency of the manufacturers and resellers than about the quality of the cards, of which the high end range is being tested..


i think it's completely unforgivable that most of the resellers kept their mouth shut about things like turbomem, and the fingerprintreader that was implemented at the concept model.
But the most enraging feelings i get when i think about all those guys saying that the 8700m would be high end, and wash away the LOUZY benchmarks now due to ' Driver malfunctions' don't make me laugh... another stall...

 

Derg, I know you are new here and you may not have noticed that we don't swear or use that kind of reference to your grandmother here.

Just a friendly suggestion that there are plenty of ways to express yourself without making it all about you...and without the vulgarity.

 

So, it looks like now the best bet is still the 7950 and maybe to wait what? Another year for the 8800 to materalize?

 

yea sorry i havent slept so i'm out of my humour and those things were the first i could think of.



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yea but they probably will take a long time and by then college has started, and a compal barebone would have been the best option with a normal 8600 in it. looking at the price/specs.

by then there might also be a new dell xps
anyway, the lies have tempered my enthusiasm on this model

 

Now, to get specific, the resellers didn't know the release specifications until Thursday so don't blame them for not releasing information they didn't have. You are apparently pretty new to this game or you would have already experienced that the pre-production "samples" that you see at shows quite often have features and claims that never make it to the production models.

Further, how in the world are the laptop manufacturers and resellers incompetent because nVIDIA has not released the 8800M? You amaze me with your accusations here, and your lack of knowledge about what is actually going on in this industry, and what it takes to design, engineer, test and then mass produce a new laptop model.

The fact is the 7950 GTX is the best card out there for DX9 gaming, and the 8700M is a step down in the hierarchy, although it will be DX10. However once it is released it will be all that is available from nVIDIA until very late this year when you will "hopefully" see the 8800M...but don't hold your breath because you may not see it shipping until next year.

 

i find that pretty much incompetent, releasing a gaming notebook at a time that the 'new age' ( dx10 ) cards are only topmidrange, sounds like a little mistiming to me. Now you hear the stories of the problems getting them in the systems and having them running stable with the temperatures and all. That shouldn't be an issue at a supposedly high end designs. on the other hand, clevo should have known better, and nvidia shouldnt praise the card for more than it is.
im aware that you are being honest and admitting the 8700m is a step down, do you think it's weird people expect a high end gpu in such a notebook?

 

I don't blame Clevo, I blame Nvidia. Clevo took a step forward with the D900C and the M570RU, since they went with a standardized graphics interface. (Something new for them I'm told!) Nvidia (and Microsoft) have been pumping up DX10 and promising more than they can deliver. Be thankful that we will have the option to upgrade (hopefully, lol!)

 

with the d900c it's even worse.
i see these ads in my head:

" THE MOST EXTREME DESKTOP REPLACEMENT NOTEBOOK ON EARTH!"
now, with dual Mid range gpu's!

i guess, okay blame nvidia, i blame the bad communication between manufacturer --> reseller ---> customer.

 

Derq, you still don't get it...right now the 9750 GTX in SLi simply IS the highest end video card for laptops on earth. And, it is also the best single card available on the market at this time.

You can play the blame game if you want...but you make a spectacle of yourself screaming that you can't have what doesn't exist.

Now your quote about "THE MOST EXTREME DESKTOP REPLACEMENT NOTEBOOK ON EARTH!" is referencing the NP9260 with SLi, Extreme processor and 3 hard drives...not the NP5790...so please keep things in context.

 

Hey Derq,

This is the price we all pay for wanting to be on the bleeding edge of the bleeding edge of the bleeding edge of techology . I'm still seriously considering this lappy as it is still IMO the best overall package out there.

As Donald said, we have absolutely no idea when the 8800 will be released and eventually make it into any laptop. The more I think about it, the more I realize that even with the 7950 GTX this laptop will have more power than anything I'm going to throw at it. Sure, DX10 is missing for now, but think about the main reason why you want DX10...usually its because you want to play games like CRYSIS or other next gen games that look their "absolute best" that way. I agree, that would be nice but if you have to play them using your 7950 GTX and have them look great but not awesome life will continue (at least that's what I keep telling myself .

Resellers like powernotebooks and xtoticpc and others are always going to do their best to provide with you (their customer) with as much info as possible but they are limited as are we all with what is and what is not available in the industry at this time.

Now - build me a lappy that also washes my car, folds my laundry and changes my son's diapers...now that IS one powerful laptop. I wonder if the 8800 will be able to do that?

 

Buddy, i can feel the frustration on Nvidia not releasing a 8800 mobility card. But u cant blame that on resellers as they are not the ones responsible for developing the parts or creating it.

8700GT is the fastest card DirectX 10 card at the moment so it would be touted as top end as speculative benchmarks seem to show an increase in performance then the 7900GS and even rumours of breaking the 10000 score in 3Dmark05.. So u cant blame then for not labelling it as a high end card!

If you feel that u dont see much difference from the prev model, then hang on to ur cash and wait for NVidia to release the 8800 based graphic cards then vent out ur frustration on resellers!!

 

lol i wasnt mad at the resellers, you got that wrong, and donald doesnt get my point...
what i mean is, why bother releasing a non top end gpu in something as the RU or the 900c? is it to temporarily satisfact the dx10 junkies?
it could be me, but i still don't get that one would not put the absolute top into an extreme system. yea ok, 8700m is top of the line atm, but in the overall view, it isn't...

 

Sure, we make one that will do all that, but you have to understand it is a package deal...you have to buy the Brooklyn Bridge too. :twitcy:

 

Derq, you need to get some sleep.

Let's make this a game. So, if you wanted to release a new top end Santa Rosa based laptop, and you didn't want to wait for Santa Rosa to be 6 months old before you did it so you wanted to release it now while Santa Rosa is still new...what card would you put in it knowing neither the 8700M nor the 8800M could be used at this time? Or, would you simply wait and release nothing now?

 

lol - Now that is a next gen laptop!

Donald - a few questions:

1. Of the three available CPU's is the 2.2 the sweet spot? for less than $100 bucks it might make sense to upgrade or will the difference be too small to tell?

2. IS 2G for RAM still the recommended on a cost/benefit ratio over any additional amount 3G or 4G?

3. The 3 year warranty. I've always been reluctant to buy a warranty on just about anything as I usually never use it and always seem to shell out a good amount of change for it (299 in this case). It's that one time that something happens when you really want it . So - do you usually see many problems/repairs take place after the 1st year where this makes sense? Also - does the 3 year warranty begin AFTER the end of the standard 1 year warranty (total of 4 years) or is it really a two year additional warranty to the 1st (total of 3 years) - does this make sense?

Thanks in advance.

 

Also, one question from me: Does the 5790 support a modular bay hard drive as a replacement for the ODD, as the 5760 did, or did they remove that?

 

yes the Clevo M570RU can have a secondary HDD that can swap into the Optical Bay.

 

I have pretty much the exact same questions. Thanks for saving me the effort.

I couldn't find this on powernotebooks however, what is your dead pixel policy?

 

Do we know yet if it's the same connection/mechanical interface as the M570U? In other words, could one swap a single ODD hard drive between the two?

Also, I take it the resellers will begin offering it as an option once the RU ships?

 

Well... I know that the optical drives are standard for the M570U and the M570RU.

So you can swap the DVD-RW's from model to model.

As for the Hard Drive Bay, I am not certain that its exactly the same.

 

1. I would consider that either the T7300 or T7500 are the sweet spot now. It used to be only the T7200, but now the T7300 is about $50 less than the T7200 was, and the T7500 is about $40 more than the T7200 was...so, go figure.

2. Yes, 2GB memory should be plenty for almost all users. Only testosterone would drive you past that unless you have unusual needs.

3. The 3 Year Warranty is just that...it does not extend 3 years beyond the 1 Year Warranty. You just pick one or the other. As for is it worth it...well it is a gamble isn't it? All I can say is my granddaddy taught me years ago not to make a bet I couldn't afford to lose.

4. At this time Sager is not offering the 2nd HDD bracket on their price sheet, so I will have to check on Monday to see if it is an oversight or it doesn't accept the 2nd HDD or they just don't have the brackets in at this time.

5. Well, it isn't our dead pixel policy, it is Sager's and it is more than 5, or just 1 if it is in the center square of a # sign put on your screen. You can buy the 30 day no dead pixel guarantee for $200, but anymore the screens are pretty good (a lot better than a couple of years ago) so we don't see too many dead pixels anymore. Sager says they ship about 85% with 1 or no dead pixels.

 

Great - thanks for the info.

 

I am very thrilled by the price. I really think this is def. affordable and I really like the improved looks. One question tho, I were to order one with thie trim, will you guys accept that as pre-order?(meaning will I get that 100 dollar discount?), or will there be anohter pre-order for the white trim?

 

Sadly, to get the $100 pre-order discount your order has to be in by July 4th, 2007 and I doubt very much if they will have another one for the white trim. The will just phase the white trim in once it is ready.

 

Thanks for all the help Paladin44. I placed an order on your website. I am eagerly awaiting the ship date.

 

Very cool - what kind of specifications did you get?

 

Thanks Node!

Ahhhh, but you didn't select me as your Sales Advisor...ah well, they other sales people need to eat too.

 

I did the NP5790 FORCE - everything standard configuration (orange trim), but I decided to pick up a car adapter and the eagle 17" backpack.

I didn't see the audigy 2 ZS notebook card anywhere for sale either, I'll probably have to pick that up from newegg.

I didn't think of it, you have my permission to edit that into the order, or I can cancel/resubmit it.

 

I've been following this laptop for awhile and I don't really mind it having the 7950 GTX since its probably better having a high end card that works on games now rather than a mid-range card that sorta of works with wacked drivers.

But since this is actually my first sager laptop I have followed i was wondering have they updated their models in the past to be able to handle newer video cards that were released or were they just able handle the newer ones right away.

I understand you don't "officially" know but considering how the past models were able to use multiple gpus its seems to me this should have more than just one option hopefully.

And is it possible for your resellers to paint your own trim cause i would really have a red one then white or orange . Thanx for the answers.

Owe and almost forgot is the $100 discount only on WUXGA+ screens?

 

It's ok Node, I sent your Order Confirmation to you over an hour ago...check your email.

Also, please call me on Monday...toll free...1-877-711-1777 between 8:30 AM and 5:30 PM Pacific Time.

Thanks again

 

Yes, they have updated them in the past, but as always you never know what might be involved. Sometimes it is just swapping the card, boot up and go. Sometimes it involves more due to heat and power issues...could even be a BIOS issue or a modification to the motherboard.

Sager is renowned for offering the best and latest technology, but you cannot predict what does not exist yet.

Yes, the $100 discount is only on the WUXGA screen.

Justin at Xoticpc will do any kind of paint job you want...give him a call.

 

Will the M570RU be offered in wxga (1440x900)? I'd buy it in a heartbeat if it were available in this resolution.

 

Careful, the Sager NP5790 only has an ExpressCard 34/54 slot so a PCMCIA card won't work. The new Creative X-Fi Notebook is what you should look at if you are interested in a sound card. It is not for sale yet though.

 

I recomend you buy a 3y warranty .
I bought a Xps m170 and 1y and 3 days after i bought it its motherboard died :| and the warranty was for 1 year :/ .
And i also recomend LOJack
I bought a XPS M1710 march 20th and may 3rd it was stolen .
I will buy it all when i buy my next pc, and i will buy it if it has a finger print scanner, the theif has all my files and RAw images .

 

Which one are you referring to? This thread covers 3 models.

 

I'm asking about the NP5790 (M570RU). Forgot to mention the specific model.

 

Unfortunately there are no plans for offering the Sager NP5790 with WXGA+ (1440x900) resolution.

That is not to say that it couldn't happen at a later date, but not in the foreseeable future.

 

Thanks for your reply Donald. I knew the NP9260 wasn't going to be offered in WXGA+ (1440x900) but I was hoping the NP5790 would.