Sager has confirmed with Clevo that the M860TU will not support 44W+ processors or the 9800M GTX because of the thermal budget!

i meant no disrespect and wasnt attacking anyone i was just saying some things that i knew. I think shyster should enlighten use with some picture calm the mood lol

 

spruce up your laptop with paint if you hate the looks that bad. in comparing the m570tu to the m17x, the clevo is only around 8lbs while the AW is 11. thats a big jump. by the way, the m570tu will have 9800mgtx

I can easily see the M860tu using the 9800mgtx after some third party testing. the reason why is because of ho much more efficient the one fan design is over the 2-3 small fan design that we are accustomed to.

Do you know how heavy a titanium laptop would be!? titanium is 3 times stronger than steel, yet slightly heavier than aluminium. i would expect if the m860tu was titaium to weight an extra 3-4lbs. thats a total of like 10lbs for a small 15inch laptop.

 

@NoelGallagher,

You have to agree that this is not the way to address people ("Mom, Mommy, Mrs, Kirsten what ever you prefer to be called, change my nappy? Whay? You bad boy, you will be ground in your Alienware thread for a week"). I think you are an intelligent young man to know that.

Puting this aside, this notebook has very interesting features:

* Montevina
* DDR3
* 9800M GTS
* HDMI

If those are not good specs I don't know what good specs are.

I agree with you although this notebook has very good specs it does not set himself apart from other options except for the fact it supports the 8800M GTX. In other words, IMHO this settings will be the norm in gaming systems not so far from now (the same as 8700M GT was the norm back in 2007 in mainstream gaming systems the 9800M GTS will be IMHO).

But don't ignore the fact it supports the 8800M GTX, for a single card is excelent indeed!

Has for the look, well who cares for looks in a winning car . Well may be you do, fair enough, you can always have VOODOOPCs.

Just couple of notes:

"I just don't see the point in buying the M570 when the M17x is better."

Well true. But that is the wrong comparison. You should compare with the d901c.

IMHO this is a very good or very bad moment to buy a laptop depending how you see it:

1) Very good moment.

Now is an excellent moment to buy a mature laptop. By mature I mean a laptop with tech that is well proven such as the M570-RU with the 8800M GTX. The drivers are there, the maturity is also there as it also the 3rd revision and look it may even support the 9800M GTX later on. If you want/need/fancy Quads you also have the d901c that will support the 9800M GTX but it is heavy in comparison (desktop replacement), also on its rev3 so mature (go for a single card here too as SLi is not worth the money IMHO).

2) Very bad moment

If you are going for the latest tech, well not so good IMHO. Although new tech is exciting it carries the load of being untested, unproven and most of all manufacturers still don't grasp it, furthermore ... inflated price tags. With the advent of ATI move to mobile gaming market you also have more options to consider, especially if you take a close look to their external cards architecture. All this tech IMHO will be worth buying only by christmas time . You can imagine then you can probably buy15" laptop that plugs to external cards to get extreme gaming video card performance, this while being cool and light (granted it might not be as fast as one 9800M GTX but carries so many other benefits).

Stay cool,

Trance
PS: People only get frustrated about what they cannot have. So I wouldn't worry so much about that.

 

Any more news on the 860TU by any chance?(cause all I see are other opinions)...

 

Probably lots of options until some ship and we get some reviews of them.

 

Nope; although someone managed to dig draft copies of the user manual (also for the 570TU) off of the Eurocom website - there's another thread for that.

@asylum187: Well, as the playwright and poet William Congreve said:

--The mourning bride, Act I, Scene 1 (1697)

So, I present one and all with

​

hint: turn your volume up to normal!

 

Yea, the user manuals says nothing about that,just "upgrades possible to change" or something...

 

I don't see much difference from theb M570TU to the M570RU-U. Anyone knows what is different in the chassis?

Trance

 

The main difference in the chassis is the addition of E-SATA and HDMI.

 

there are no other chassis changes. this can be seen on the manual that was leaked. i think they leaked it on purpose though, just so we would mention eurocom a bit more in our conversations.

 

Here, I`ll mention it too: I will never buy from Eurocom

 

as if the world is hanging on to our every post ... lol

 

15.6 inch x 11 inches x 1.77 inches
8.81 pounds

The m17x is 1.69 lbs heavier
but it's dimensions are
16.1 x 11.1 x 2.1...

Not terribly bad for one more video card.

 

Which is the 8.81 lber?

 

the m570TU
keep in mind the m17x has one more full graphic card with it and that'snot bad at all.

 

Noel, the D901C has been around since last year, and the SLI has proven its power already in it.
The m17x will be new, so are you willing to take the chance as the m15x users have?
The D901C is the MOST POWERFUL LAPTOP on the planet, PERIOD...
And among the 3 big ones : d901c, xps 1730 and the m17x, it's also the cheapest.

 

You are insisting in that comparison. You should compare SLi with SLi, and in this realm you have the d901c. Maybe you are looking simply at the weight, but what about battery life?

The d901c is more powerfull and costs less money then the m17x, the downside is that it is heavier (1.84lbs heavier then the m17x to be more precise, not bad for a Quad Core SLi ).

Trance
PS: IMHO, I think you are being over ambitious if you plan to carry a SLI laptop to classes every day. The battery life will be a BIG limitation on any high end gaming laptop not to mention an SLi config.

 

Well for battery don't most classes have power outlets? I know most of mines do.

 

They do, but an SLI system, as DFTrance said sounds like something what'd break your back.
Unless you are totally dependant on 1 laptop,I guess.

 

They are just not practical at all for that kind of usage. Can you imagine one being on a lecture and the fans kicking in, not to mention heat, that would be embarassing . What about weight, or walking a long in the sun with a 5 kg system plus books etc etc.

Anyway, some people do it and are quite happy ... for awhile, u might just be one of those. It is just an opinion from someone that owns a d901c.

Just buy this package:

For Classes:
http://www.tabletkiosk.com/tkstore/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=16&idproduct=256

For real work
http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/forums.asp?s=2&c=8&t=20954&p=0

Total: $4500

Beats any Alienware or Clevo gaming notebook solution in performance

Anway there are a lot of topics about this, and this thread is the wrong place to discuss this theme.

Trance

 

well its not like you can further discuss a statement that sage made to clevo. speaking of topics, did the voodoopc forum on here dissapear?

 

No,it's now a subforum or HP .
http://forum.notebookreview.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=3

 

The reason I don't include the D901C is because it uses a desktop chipset and interface. There is no other way to get a 775 processor in a laptop.

I am comparing apples to apples in the sense I"m only comparing mobile chipsets to mobile chipsets. I don't think the d901c is a fair comparison at all. Granted it's quite a feat to cram a desktop processor in a chassis, I'd never use it. I have a qx9650 at home and the last thing I want is a big brick of an oven that generates over 50 degrees at load on stock cooling from Intel (I have the extreme cooler as well).

To me, the d901c is truly for those guys who love to lan and wanna haul a cinder block (not a brick, the m17x is a brick) in their bookbag and have about 50 minutes of battery life without a plugin.

I don't mind 2-3 hours on battery with the m17x using stealth gfx, so yeah...

Heh d901c, sorry guys I Found it a bit funny people buy desktop laptops... That thing is a monster no doubt but damn that must hurt the back.

 

Using a desktop CPU does not make it a desktop,it's not that much heavier than the XPS1730 and the m17x and the performance is not something to joke about.
I't take a pound or 2 more if the power would totally otshadow the weight.

 

In my opinion, carrying around a monster like the M17X just for a Core 2 Duo processor is ridiculous. In terms of size it's about the same as the D901C. In terms of performance it's not even in the same league. I can't see taking the M17X over the M860TU or M570TU (or RU for that matter) just for SLi. But Everyone has there own preferences I guess.

 

True, but that's why Clevo has 3 sollutions:
-The 860tu for mobility and better battery life
-the 570tu for equal power but 17 inch screen and cooler system(as in temps)
-the d901c for the ultimate power.

 

you will never get 3hrs on the m17x.

 

DFTrance is pointing out things to seriously consider. That's why no notebook bigger than 15" screen ever made it on my list of possible purchases. I just don't want to deal with the aggravation which comes with that size. A few random thoughts about bringing laptops to classes:

1. Fans kicking in during a lecture can be a bit embarrassing if they make a noticeable noise. However, I've never heard a laptop that was so noisy as to really disturb a lecture. I guess in theory that can happen. If your fans sound like a jet engine, I don't know any professor who will tolerate it.

2. Yes, there are plugs in classrooms but there are often not enough plugs. I'm taking a summer class (intensive Mandarin) in which there is a big total of two outlets accessible to students. The class is big enough for at least 30-40 students. (There are seven students in our class and only two use a laptop in class.) Colleges have rooms which have been built in different eras. Some of them were built at a time when PCs did not exist and some of them were built last year. So there's a lot of variation in how much each classroom can provide. I've taken up the habit of carrying a little 3-way plug just in case.

3. A student who travels home for weekends might want to use the laptop on the bus or plane or whatever. With a 17", just forget about it. (Writing this brings to mind a plane trip on which my neighbor decided he would watch a DVD on his fat notebook. It was hilarious to see him try to angle it and balance it on his lap.) With a 15", my experience has been very variable but it is possible to use it. It's been useful to be able to use the laptop on trips.

4. Extra weight in the backpack is certainly noticeable.

Going with a 15" rather than 17 usually means not having the latest and greatest graphic card but my experience is that I don't need the highest graphic settings to enjoy a game. I've played HL2 on medium graphic settings initially and now I'm playing (episode 2) on high settings. I enjoyed it tremendously on medium graphic settings. If anything now that I'm on high, I'm enjoying it a little bit less because it is getting too repetitive for my taste. ( Yahtzee's review of the Orange Box pretty much sums up my feelings about it.)

 

Sorry,but with the bynary GFX it might even go over that.

 

well with that it might.

why did this issue of the 9262 being too loud come up? i heard that is one of the most silent laptops taking into consideration that it has 4 fans.

IMO i would take the M570ru/tu into a lecture. as eleron has shown us with downvolting, you can get 2-3hours out of it. in my eyes its pretty much the same weight as the m15x wich was directed at the college student market.

 

this guy in the voodoo forums is really wrecking my head. anyone following our discussion?

here http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=259086&page=2

edit: nevermind. it got too heated and had all the juicy posts removed.

 

9262 doesn't make much noise unless it's in full blast.

Battery life is not good though.But no one who buys this expects that I think.

 

about the justification of paying several grand for the same thing as a clevo or that clevos have bad battery life?
LOL.

 

pretty much. but "apparently" I contradicted myself by saying that AW and and voodoo no longer use clevo laptops. wth? yet again a pointless battle i was fighting. surely every boutique vendor in the world uses clevo because they pretty much are the best. He called the clevo's but ugly. I know they are not as fashionable as the m15x, but they are still kick ass i think imo.

anyways thats the REALLY short version

i think the m860tu will get pretty descent battery life.

 

anyone ever heard of the m78..... oh wait it doesnt have a name yet? apparantly its a new graphics card that runs at the same temp as the 8800m GTX yet gets a 3d mark of 13-14000

I have also been told that the 9800m GTX is ranging at a solid 12-13000 score. sound any good?

Apparently this new ATI card is not yet anounced and is going to be used to upgrade any 9800m GTX orders placed in its stead.

 

the 9800m gtx ranging 12k? where the heck did you hear that, no way will it do an 8800M GTX SLI score.

 

where is all this info from helios? any sources or links?

 

wow... if the 9800 singular performs near 8800 SLI... that would just be... awesome lol

 

oh, sorry i thought you got the joke. Its what a PCmicroworks guy told me. lol i thought it was funny too^^

 

OMFG!!!! did anyone care to click the advert floating around in the notebookreview forum? holomove.
I dont know if this is a joke or not but they have created an actual working prototype holographic projector that has kinetic properties!! you guys have to see this!
Man i would love to get onto that investment train.

 

I missed it, I'm a little weary, had a little party last night
Link?

 

www.holomove.com then go to the news and watch the breakthrough technology video.

 

Wow.. There is some seriously bad acting in that video.

 

Heliosvector all I know is the D901c is a cinder block.
If it runs an SLI CHIPSET which is for desktops.
THat means the southbridge runs at roughly 60 degrees and the northbridge runs at roughly 50 degrees as well.
That means a Processor, Northbridge, 2 video cards at 75 degree C load, and osuthbridge at 60 degrees isn't cool.

And that weight of the D901c is without hte battery. For the m17x it is with the battery.

LOL this laptop is so ugly and is definitely more than 3 lbs and 1.5inches thicker than the m17x. That's probably on it's best day hahahahahahah lookat this thing:
http://www.xoticpc.com/laptop/9262/92623.jpg

11.55 lb w/ battery? I'm sorry that's shens I'd like to see this. I highly doubt a desktop chipset which needs more cooling AND has a hotter chipset AND is a 17" weigh more than a mobile machine.

 

Well, Noel, go and order your m17x. You'll be waiting a while, everything seems to be back ordered. I hope that you don't have to go through the same horror stories that m15x buyers had to go through cause I know the m17x is premium price. Anything less than absolute quality is unacceptable.

 

Not disagreeing with ya Death but if you check my posts in AW forums I had a crappily built m15x from the get-go that took 3 repairs and still wasn't fixed properly, but in mid may (3 months after I purchased it) Roswell hooked a full refund with no restocking, so I'm pretty happy. The laptop was mechanically sound it just wasn't built the best.

 

So you had issues with an m15x and still have not learned your lesson ?
Go figure

 

I dont think too many of you realise but just because its past its 30days, does not mean you can get a full refund. if its broken and your not happy and they try and charge you restock fee, then they can pay the full refund+ all of the legal fees that they might have to endure in a court case.

 

ok... i have a question...
if the 860TU won't support the m9800GTX (at first) due to thermal problems, does that indicate anything about the thermal issues it will have with the m8800GTX?
I originally pre-oredered the m9800GTS, but after i got a few extra $, i upgraded to the m8800GTX, but after reading this thread... im not so sure. I don't want to sacrifice tooo much of battery life/ have overheating problems.
IMO, Clevo has better design then AW, but do you realistically think that it won't have any issues with the 8800GTX??

 

nope, no issues.