Spoiling the new midrange models (1050Ti) party...

6700k is too hot with 91w of tdp.

6700 or 7700 with 65w of tdp is really good imho

6700t or 7700t? 35w of tdp could be cooler than 6700hq/7700hq

 

right, no K here for sure!

 

i posted 2 chinese reviews of the w650kk1 with i5-7400. they tested cpu/gpu temps with aida64

 

That double heatpipe for the CPU on the N857HK1 makes no sense to me, recalling it was the GPU (1050ti) which reached the thermal limits, and not the CPU...

Btw. so we got that genius removable battery on the N850... but whose "genius" idea was it, to glue one of the 4 foots on the battery? If you remove the battery the whole laptop is unstable and tilts to the left...

This midrange series really is... a mess. I guess I'm done with Clevo for this generation. Maybe in a couple of years we'll get something more thought through.

 

may be because clevo thinks that people could use a second battery?

 

No, GPU is perfectly fine, always was. unless there are re-sellers who don't know how to use thermal paste!

CPU though was a problem in the 15.6"

 

do you know what are differences with n855hk1?
http://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=1003&lang=en#tabs-1

 

[QUOTE="franzerich"
Btw. so we got that genius removable battery on the N850... but whose "genius" idea was it, to glue one of the 4 foots on the battery? If you remove the battery the whole laptop is unstable and tilts to the left....[/QUOTE]

Franzerich, in case you are unaware of the fact, Many Clevo models have been exactly like that for more than 10yrs!!
My 10 old 14" Sager had a foot on the battery cover too.
Yes I agree its dumb as you cant really use it with no battery unless on certain types of frame type stands without it tilting.

It is obviously easier to put battery on 1 side in a corner than in the middle of the back edge so as to better fit in all the other required components.
Apart from that I think a swappable battery is a great idea to enable double the operating time that will likely enable 8-10hrs rather than 4-5hrs usage depending on what you are doing.

 

For those interested in extending battery life and/or reducing cpu or gpu throttling etc on any laptop the info and programs in these links may prove very useful.

http://www.ultrabookreview.com/10156-how-to-tweak-your-laptop-p1/
http://www.ultrabookreview.com/10167-laptop-undervolting-overcloking/

 

Slightly different chassis design and colour, plus the 855 has no fingerprint reader. Apart from that they are identical inside.

 

Very cool @tanzmeister Does it help a lot with cooling? What are your figures like while gaming?

 

ceg hardcore custom sells this n857hk1
https://www.ceg-hardcorecustom.com/product/clevo-n857hk1-intel-kaby-lake-ddr4-nvidia-gtx-1050ti

 

No the GPU is not fine at all, see here

Agree.

I dont even understand the discussion around here. The cooling system is garbage, every 12 year would understand it when he would just compare it to the cooling systems of Lenovo Legion/Dell inspiron/Acer VX15. What sense does it make to repaste with whatever godlike thermal paste if the cooling system is fundamentally nonsense?

And by the way: I had the Acer VX15 here with i7 7700HQ and 1050ti. In the XTU "stresstest" the fans would barely start spinning and the CPU would get 67°C at max. With prime95 and furmark the i7 would get at max 92°C with 3.0Ghz and the GPU would get at max 74°C while running @ full speed. The fans would get ~42db loud in this scenario. I send it back though because I had a bad backlight bleed in the upper left corner.

 

The stock N8 with stock CPU settings will have it´s CPU limited when you pull the GPU too, so at CPU+GPU 100% usage you get clocks of 2.8Ghz.

Now if @ 2.8Ghz you get high temperatures i don´t know what to say.... that should not happen and you need to check the cooling system for a proper assembly.

Here´s how our units are sent out:



CPU + GPU @ 100% usage with automatic fan profile:

CPU @ 3.4Ghz (4 Cores)
Max CPU Temp: 81ºC
Max GPU Temp: 65ºC

You may say "Yeah but you have undervolted it", yeah i did, and even created a TS profile that you can apply with one click with our included APP. But that does not change the fact that even if i remove the undervolt, you can still get good temperatures with stock clocks, since stock clocks are just 2.8Ghz.

 

n850hj1 or n857hj1? with gtx1050ti (hk1) is the same?

 

That screenshot was from a client order, so those results are expected with any N850HK1 / N870HK1 - GTX 1050ti + i7 7700HQ!

Btw i could even push it a bit further but that would require another PSU
So basically it is indeed a decent unit that will output good power.

 

what kind of thermal paste did you use btw ? If it's Liquid Metal then that makes sense . Because most i7 7700HQ + GTX 1050ti Clevo owner I know have thermal issues
Especially the CPU , it will likely hit 90-97C at full load (stock voltage)

 

Nop, no liquid metal. Just Grizzly Kryonault, lapped cooler, some minor cooling mods.
Just our standard product study, assembly, setup, blablabla...
I can pull more testing results from our clients orders and check, but those results should be consistent.
Some of our clients should also be NBR members so maybe they could speak up
If they are getting results very different from those then just contact us so we can check it out. Still none ever complained about high temperatures.

 

- cosmetic differences between the 850 and 855 and 857 mostly

You shouldn't be seeing the same results with the N870HK1, the temps definitely run lower compared to the N850HK1.

- that's not upgraded cooling.

 

No wonder it run so good on your end
Stock Clevo comes with IC diamond 7 and a single heat pipe , XoticPC also uses ICD7 afaik
Coollaboratory Liquid Pro - 32.6 W/mk
Grizzly Kyronaut: 12.5 W/mk
ICD7 : 4.5 W/mk
Grizzly Kyronaut is not as good as liquid metal but it's still better than ICD7

 

Actually that printscreen is from a N850HK1.
Will check if we getting even better results from the N870HK1

 

so you are saying that n857, with upgraded cooling system, has 3 or 4 heat pipes?

 

Yup I know I won't have access to our testing results from January until Monday but you'll see definite lower Ti results in the N870.

 

hm, mine only had dual pipe on the CPU and single pipe on the GPU ! manufacturing date @ factory 05.03.2017.

should we expect even a later cooling revision?

 

I have not been gaming on this machine, but sure temps on CPU improved by around 7-9C overall!

GPU with some downvolting never went higher than 71C in Valley benchmark 20minutes run

 

that's the way to do it! I am all here with you.

 

Okay... I'm still not done with Clevo, despite having said I'm done with it
The price performance value is great compared to lots of other brands. And maybe that thing with the foot on the battery is in fact neglectable, since I rarely put the battery out. So I got 2 questions about the cooling system.

1) Is the cooling with 1 heatpipe "better" if I take 7300HQ+1050gtx instead of 7700HQ+1050ti in the N850HK1... by means of less noise? Whilte it might seem logical, it actually isn't because some laptops with 6300HQ are louder than 6700HQ.

2) Some people say the fans switch on and off in short during common tasks. If that's true is there an option to have the fan constantly spinning at very low speed instead?

 

why would you want a 1 pipe cooling at all now?

you can control fan behavior slightly, but it will depend on the EC profile still. and each models acts differently to this.

for example I was testing p671hs-g yesterday. and without custom fan profile it's really annoying with fans on and off. while CPU idles at 45-50C. but with custom profile it becomes really silent and did not make a noise for about 2 hours I have used it browsing, while still hanging at 50-55C.

there is also ECview program that can keep constant fan speed, but it's not "user friendly"

 

Don't blame on the ICD7 please...yes there are better pastes out there but clearly if you have cooling problems WITH a properly applied ICD7 (pea method) than the paste is not really the problem...

If modern laptops run cool (no throttle and <85°c we'll say) only with a massive undervolt, liquid metal / Kryonaut then I'm afraid it's the builder/manufacturer (Clevo, AW, Asus, msi) who's QC are erratic at best.

The prices are increasing and the temperature and quality are decreasing, there's a problem no ?
Skylake along with its useless +100mV offset, Clevo, AW, Razer all have messed up temps and QC.

Even running Hadoop in local mode on my slim Macbook pro shows better temps than many gaming laptops for the same frequency..ffs. I've decided that from now on my next purchases should have nearly perfect QC...nice temps, no lightbleed, thats too much to ask for a 2000+ Euros laptop ?

 

Well I didn't say I "want" 1-pipe-cooling, but if heat and noise with 1 heatpipe for 7300hq+1050gtx is similar to 2-pipe-cooling for 7700hq+1050Ti, then I might make the compromise to go with the former solution.

Yeah, I recall that for the p670 there is some kind of fan behavior. I just hope that the Clevo Control Center allows that for the N850 series too... the CCC definitely exists for it, but I'm not sure to what extend.

 

here a review of mbp 15 2016 (2699 euros)
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-MacBook-Pro-15-Late-2016-2-6-GHz-i7-Notebook-Review.185254.0.html


"Intel XTU - no thermal throttling, max 3.16 GHz but CPU temperatures of up to 99°C till the fans kick in"

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/18/touch-bar-macbook-pro-non-removable-ssd/
mbp 15 cooling system

 

Thank you, I have one, no need for a review.., my alienware out of the box reached 92°C with Hadoop, my macbook 87°-ish, say all you want, if you're happy with how gaming laptops handle CPU temps nowadays, then be it. I don't care about in depth review of course gaming laptops run cooler (it's not rocket science you have a 3kg chassis vs a ~1kg), my point was about CPU temps being somehow similar between a macbook pro and a gaming laptop, if not better in some cases for the mbPro !

How can we accept that ?? Aren't you sick of gaming computers reaching 90°+C on the CPU out of the box ? It's like buying a software full price but it's in a beta state full of bugs in reality and you have to fix everything yourself .

 

i know that you have one
i posted this review as helpful info. this mbp15 with its design, display, weight (1.807 kg) and battery life is a very good laptop. there are also gaming laptops with a gtx1060 and the same weight (1.8kg) like msi gs43vr 6re, aorus x3 v7 and their cooling system are really good. i think that also a clevo p640hk1 (2kg) with gtx1050ti or clevo p650rp6-g (2.5kg) with gtx1060 have a good cooling system. i like mbp 15 but it is really expensive for me. that's all

 

I tested my friend's Aorus, my bro's Clevo (P650) and my Alienware Skylake and all reached 90°C+ in games like Witcher 3 .

I'm VERY happy with Nvidia/OEM work regarding GPU cooling, it's awesome to see a 1070 laptop <64°C in demanding games. Now if only the CPU could follow ^^.

The mbpro does get hot of course but it's crazy to see that between this macbook and a bulky alienware the temperature difference under load is only a few degrees,

 

soon to be released N87 series with 1060. that makes wonders....

 

really?

 

yes. upcoming month.
sorry, NDA

 

do you have infos about p955hq1 with i7-7700hq and nvidia quadro p3000?
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-p955hq1-with-p3000.803086/

 

nope, not yet. not so much into workstations

 

thanks for these infos!!
maybe that this p955hq1 (1.95kg) is a workstation based on that p95 series with gtx1060?

 

Looks like that! same weight.

thoese are called
NDA

 

i think that it's really good!!

 

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no G-sync unfortunately

 

I can confirm my CPU fan goes on and off in MSHybrid. I flipped it over and noticed it was the CPU fan.

 

Ah finally. I already wondered about that news on notebookcheck talking about an upcoming energy-efficient "Max-Q" series of the 1060, 1070, 1080 gtx.

Not very pleasant, if that is the only fan behaviour

 

That data sheet from the P950 sounds almost too good to be true. But that thickness of 18mm for a 1060 gtx sounds a bit small. Even if underclocked.

EDIT: errr...wait... the dimensions 380mm x 249 mm x 18mm (LxBxH) by 1.9kg are the same as the MSI GS63VR... is that maybe the same chassis?

 

you mean p670hs?

 

it's not

 

it is really slim
i'm reading in tech spech "2 x USB 3.1 Gen 2 port (Type-C)"
do you know if tb3 is supported?