The Sager NP8660 (M860TU) will only be offered with the nVIDIA GeForce 9800M GT w/512MB GDDR3...no ATi 3870 or GeForce 9800M GTS

Guys, this is kinda being blown out of proportion.
1) Sager isn't like Alienware. They don't make crappy machines in which you need to hire deus ex machina in order to get one that actually works.
2) Based on the reasoning as to why the decision was made to pull the ATI card and the GTS card, this doesn't even really seem like Sager's fault; it's more of ATI and nVidia's fault. The ATI card isn't ready and the nVidia card doesn't have a firm ETA. How is that Sager's fault.
3) To those of you who are complaining because you're "poor college kids" but nonetheless ordered the GT anyway, you have no room to talk because $200 isn't going to break your bank, and if it will, then you shouldn't have ordered the GT in the first place.

 

I have fired off emails to Clevo and Sager. I'll keep those interested updated on what I hear.

 

I ordered the the 9800m GT from the day it came out. Its pretty annoying that we arnt getting a discount or upgrade somewhere else in our order. but its this laptop or the m15x... must i say more.


I am wondering if the wait will be longer for the people that got the free upgrade and had to reorder

 

Clevo? hopefully it will pass spam filter.

 

of course i wouldnt but thats why im saying this was prob not an easy decision to make for them

 

LOL. That is so funny. And you guys thought PCMW was full of shananigans

 

^We are not intentionally lying to customers or lying about who we are.... (not to mention all the other things they pulled)

No need to stir the pot drth_sti (There is no comparison here)

 

PCMW was full of shananigans. They had a preorder page up before the computer was officially announced, with options that hadn't been announced, and then when it was revealed that some of those options wouldn't be available, they left them up for a while. It takes a special person, and I don't mean that in a good way, to see how this is like what PCMW did.

 

The low point of humanity. Your coworker gets a raise and you yell at your boss for not giving you a raise above him. For those of you buying it to be "better" than the next guy, grow the **** up. Stop whining like little kids/teenages/whatever and be happy for someone else. I can't believe this has even been dragged on this far (16 pages). I'm so suprised that you people are acting like such children, I've seen more mature people addicted to drugs.

 

I'm not getting a discount. And I don't actually want the 9800GT. I'm a fanboy yes, put it however you want, but I was really looking forward to having the ATi...

The reason I'm not complaining is because I really want this laptop and I need it pretty soon, so I can't afford to cancel my order and sit around until ATi pulls together.

 

RJTECH now changed there m860TU to only support the 9800GT, i wonder how many people bought that this morning with the ATI card and will RJ be upgrading for free now ^_^

 

Ok. Then I retract whatever I said - that's great customer service right there. Real sales booster!

I just find it disheartening because everybody could have ordered from PCMW before and gotten 600+ off the system that you guys are selling and been protected if they paid through credit card IF PCMW went under. Everybody could have gotten my system for 1650 shipped. I say it because I think hoodwinking has gone on here while you guys cashed in big on launch day because PCMW was slammed to the ground so, so, so hard.

It's just not right - I didn't even buy from you guys and it bugs me. Yeah you guys have given us great information but PCMW was bashed so much that nobody had a chance to get the great deal they were offering because you guys were constantly slamming their price saying..."wait till we release our prices..." and what...? I can physically show you my config from PCMW/take a snapshot of the price I got it at and post it to prove it and show how it demolishes yours.

I'd be the first one to eat my words if PCMW doesn't pull through, i'd buy it from somewhere else but you'll get a full apology. But as of right now I think a severe hoodwinking has gone on and this not giving ppl who ordered the 9800gt from your guys' sites is the the second phase of that hoodwinking.

Justin - you've been much more classy than others in your replies and don't think it's your fault per se. You were just riding the coat tails of another reseller here and their crusade agains the evil PCMW. And I bet you got the most sales out of the two resellers that frequently post here cuz you're nice. You just say things nicely even though they might be mean - its nicely said. And that's honestly a good thing bro keep it up. I'd buy from you if PCMW doesn't go through.

Sorry if I offended anybody I just feel really really bad for the people that didn't get great deals on this laptop. I'm a college student and I know a lot of you guys are college students and money's tight man any way you look at it. And for the record, not getting 200 bucks less on a laptop is NOT like getting less ice cream than you should. I mean that analogy is so condescending. People are being likened to children and that's just not right.

I've said my peace. I won't say any more until I have my order from PCMW and do my complete review. I hope you all get it for a great price too - honestly.

 

I will be seriously surprise if PCMW don't lose $ by selling you those.

 

It might have, but building customer loyalty like that helps to alleviate the monetary loss.

Now, play nice everyone. This thread's heading down towards one of those bash/flame threads instead of being on the 9800M GTS/ATI 3850 being removed as options for the 8660.

 

If we're going to stick to ice-cream analogies, imagine the 9800GT is Hagen-daaz and the HD3870 is like Dairy Farm or Nestle or whatever cheap alternative.

Wholefoods makes an order for 100 tubs of Haagen-daaz and Safeway makes an order for 100 tubs of Dairy Farm, because there's this huge heatwave coming up next week and everyone's gonna want ice-cream. Imagine that both orders come from the same factory or whatever, but the Dairy Farm truck breaks down and all the ice-cream melts. So, Safeway is kind of pissed because they need their icecream that they've already paid for. They could either ask for a refund, or maybe make a new order from another factory. But, the factory wants to keep their business so it decides to send out another truckful of Haagen-daaz instead.

My analogy is going to get a little messy here, but assume that for whatever reason Safeway has to sell the Haagen-Daaz at full price and they're not happy about it, because people usually go to Safeway to buy slightly cheaper stuff not the madly expensive premium brands (I know Safeway would also make a bigger margin by selling it for retail price when they got it cheaper, but this point is moot). The point I'm trying to illustrate is that for whatever reason, the Haagen-daaz is less than ideal for Safeway. But they take it anyway because if they reorder from another factory, it'll take too long and they'll miss the heatwave.

So all you people who ordered the 9800M GT are Whole Foods. You ordered your Haagen-Daaz/9800M GT because that's what you wanted and that's what you set out to buy. The fact that Safeway/everyone else is getting the same thing for less money is simply because of the fact that they are somehow inconvenienced through not receiving the item they originally wanted, whether it's because the GTS/3870 run slightly cooler or last 3 seconds longer on the battery or even it's price point.

Wholefoods/9800M GT buyers haven't lost anything, they get what they paid for and it suits their purpose, like selling premium brand ice cream to more discerning customers. Yeah it sucks Safeway got to pay less, but people go to Whole Foods to buy expensive stuff so Whole Foods isn't losing anything, whereas Safeway might be?

I'm getting totally lost in my own argument. And hungry.

 

Guys, do you realize that this thread never even had to be posted?! Sager could have simply contacted those few people with the orders that are now being changed and be done with it. But instead of concealing all of this it was posted just so that everyone could know. Think about how you would have responded if you would have never known and then maybe make your post. I for one think it is great that Justin and Donald are so open as to even let us in on this information that really doesn't even pertain to those who ordered the 9800GT. Perhaps in the future they won't be so open because of the inappropriate attitudes displayed here.
Please, give them a break and be happy with what you are getting.

 

Then the individuals would probably come out and post about it fueling wild speculation/debate/outcry. Making the announcement themselves and leaving less room for speculation is like the first step in damage control.

 

>.> I don't get why people are freaking out so much especially when you posted a while back that PCMW was so eager to beat the other reseller prices. They may not get the awesome deal that you did, but I bet they would still beat the other resellers if people asked.

 

Guys,

I understand that you are frustrated and some of you feel betrayed, but there is no reason to lose your cool and start making "emotional" posts or attack other forum members who are just trying to help. Please keep it civil in here or the thread will be closed.

Thanks.
-Kdawgca
NBR Mod

 

wow, i've checked out this entire thread over the past day or so and made several comments, but i can tell you right now that i am never going to look at it again...ever....

there would be an even greater uproar if the people who ordered the gts and 3870 were given the choice of upgrading or canceling. sager decided to be nice to the people who ordered the cheaper cards and not put them in an uncomfortable position. we (the people who ordered the np8660 with the 9800gt) should not be given discounts by sager. we are not receiving a product of any lesser value because of this decision. in fact, this decision doesnt even have anything to do with us. i can understand if you guys feel frustrated, but suck it up, stop whining, and dont take it out on other members of the forum

 

I call BS to all those who pulled out the sympathy card that they're strapped for cash and poor etc.
If that were the case, do yourself a favour and go buy a $1000 or under notebook and get your priorities right.

 

Those few people? Please, this decision would have never been made if it were only a FEW people that ordered that option. If that were the case, they would have been slapped a longer ETA and told to wait.

I bet you with confidence that the majority of the orders of this laptop from Sager are for the lower priced cards, the ATI base card commanding a huge percentage, and maybe about 30-40% of that for the GTS. When it comes to business with numbers, the majority never gets shafted. And, believe it or not, the majority care more about price than small percentage increases in performance.

 

I really hate to add to this thread...If I were in the same situation and ordered a 9800GT, I'd be a bit choked too. The 8660 is something I can easily afford, but I still like to save a few pennies where I can, and part of my shopping experience is getting a good deal. But truthfully, you can't win them all. I had two "losing" experiences this year with my desktop:

I upgraded my video card to an 8800GT only for playing Crysis. I waited for a couple of months until there was a very good deal on a card with non-reference HSF and voltmod jumpers. It turned out that this card had 2 models, one with a quiet Coolermaster HSF and another one with a HSF that was as loud as a vacuum cleaner. The manufacturer suddenly started shipping the version with the loud fan without properly notifying people...this annoyed almost everyone. In the end, after pressure from the retailer, the manufacturer agreed to cover the cost of RMA and replacement with the quiet card. But after going through all that hassle and finally winding up with a new card, the price for the same card dropped by $40 a couple of weeks later. I was choked because I could have waited for a month and gotten the card cheaper and without any hassle.

So now I can get a decent fps in Crysis, but my lack of RAM is resulting in long load times when I have the textures higher than medium. I see a 2GB kit go on sale for what was a pretty good price, so I buy it. Of course, the price drops by another $20 a couple of weeks later and has continued to stay at the lower price. Needless to say, I wasn't terribly happy.

My point is that things change very quickly in the computing world, including prices. This is particularly true for cutting edge components (eg. NP8660), and if you want to be at the forefront of new technology, there is always more risk involved than buying mainstream stuff. But in the end, I think the pain will be forgotten once you enjoy your new toy. I know I stopped caring so much once I got to play Crysis on high!

 

you won't, because there isn't a 8800 GT

 

Oops...thanks for catching that!

 

lesson in business tactics:

as stated - those who already ordered the GT will get nothing but what you ordered - i.e. Sager owes you nothing.

thru faults by either ATI, nVidia, Sager, or Clevo, the other options for gpu's are no longer available.

to save face and not lose the market share they have, the company offers free upgrades to those that placed orders for the lesser gpu's. nice bonus for those people.

as to the question as to how a company will recoup the difference (and why the price went up)....
look at the prices and options now...

so - those that bought previous are getting a free upgrade or what they paid for while those that have yet to order will foot the bill for the faults by any one of the companies.

in few words - they passed the cost on to the consumer, the company will not lose any $$ from any of this.

 

I'd say so.

 

Eurocom is still offering a variety of GPU's. Check their website. After contacting them, they are still going to be customizing their M860TU with the nVidia variety (8800, 9800, 9600's) and the Ati HD card. Check out their website and contact them if you don't believe me.

 

eurocom were also offering the quad core and GTX 9800m even after clevo said they would not allow it, so just use that as a guide for what their promises mean

 

I wonder why the rep would tell me they are still offering it if every other reseller isn't....i'm gonna email him again that's for sure!