The Sager NP8660 (M860TU) will only be offered with the nVIDIA GeForce 9800M GT w/512MB GDDR3...no ATi 3870 or GeForce 9800M GTS

Agreed!

No defense necessary, we understand...anyway it was the concept that was important

 

It'll be in North Carolina if that helps and I was going to go with basic ground shipping or the cheapest one. If changing to a more expensive shipping will help get it to me sooner I may go that route.

 

UPS Ground to NC takes 4-5 days depending on your Zip Code.

However you can make that decision once you know they are starting to ship. I would order it with Ground, and put a comment in the Shopping Cart that you need it by a certain day. If we need to upgrade your shipping method to make that happen we will let you know...

 

Ok awesome, thank you for your help. Hopefully I can put my order in soon, I'm kinda stuck until I get my refund

 

Not necessarily

Give me a call tomorrow between 11:30 AM and 8:30 PM your time tomorrow, or send me an email (just click on my email address in my signature below)...I may have an idea for you.

 

Will do

 

Yeah because spending $2k on a laptop with a video card we know virtually nothing about would have been really wise. Some of us had to make a lot of sacrifices to be able to cough up the money and buy such a laptop and then we find out that others are able to get the same exact thing for $200 less? Spin it however you want to with your ice cream analogies but $200 is $200 no matter how you look at it. In the end though, I'm just another order to you guys I suppose so it doesn't mean much if I cancel it but wow what a way to lose a customer.

 

I completely agree with Donald and Justin (et al) on this.

Just because some lucky people got a free upgrade should not diminish the utility that the original 9800GT orderers get from their system (and I'm one of them).

I think it's cheeky to suggest otherwise - perhaps some are just trying it on to see what they can snag in the way of a discount.

Petrov.

 

lol

I don't know about that, how many ice cream cones cost two grand? I don't know about you, but that is a heck of a lot of money to me/others paying for college.

 

With the ice-cream analogy, it is more like u stand in line buying icecreams you pay $200 for your icecream, then the next person in line gets his for free.

There is nothing immature about complaining about paying a premium to get something beyond the people that didnt pay, and then get told that everyone gets the same anyway. This is money we are talking about, some have a lot of it (like the people that doesnt seem to care that they just paid $200 for no extra gain?) and others dont.

Please keep the "Fortunately there have been several people who have posted here with more mature attitudes." attitutde out as it is just rude belittling people because $200 means something to them.

And to add, you are wrong saying that the people buying the 9800m GT got exactly what they paid for. They paid to get MORE than the people buying ATI and GTS, and now they wont be getting anything for those extra $200.

 

Sincere question - do you begrudge people that win the lottery? What about people that inherit lots of money, or come from wealthy families?

Life is a series of disappointments (as my Dad used to say). I don't begrudge people that got a lucky break in this situation. I got what I wanted and what paid for - why would I now ask for more just to "equalise" myself with the lucky few?

Petrov.

 

I don't think there's much the resellers can do about this...I'd be laying the blame squarely on Sager. Too bad they don't have a rep on these forums. But if Donald and Justin pass on the message that there are a lot of very upset people, it might force Sager to do something.

 

Yeah, this makes sense, well put.

 

Lottery questions, wealthy families and inherit money examples are different to this one. Because people paid a premium to receive more than the people that didnt pay the premium. In those cases this doesnt happen and thus they dont apply to this.

Great that you feel good about this Petrov, you may have different intentions for paying those $200 than other people did. You just paid for the graphic cards which is great, others paid to get more than others and those are the ones upset about this.

Basically my point is, the buyers of the more expensive card relative to other people (the people that got it for free) just lost $200.

I agree Delta, ofcourse the resellers have limited ability to solve this. I just butted into the conversation because people started to call the people that cares about their $200 for immature and tried to argue that they didnt lose anything.

 

I'm glad for those people who got better stuff for their laptop. It ain't stealing from my wallet! Some people are just luckier sometimes, perhaps we others are going to be tomorrow.

 

I honestly don't understand what people are going on about this.
More, I don't understand why some very happy M15x owners come here to comment and stir things up. That makes me wonder what are people's true intentions.

Anyway... stop being childish about all this and pouting. I am baffled how is it possible this thread is now 12 pages long. Something as simple as "there won't be any ATI or 9800GTS" turned into a fantastic bashing topic.
1st... I wonder what was the percentage of people that ordered with the ATI or the GTS (I'm sure it was minimal). Then I wonder if people realize what is a pre-order. When you've got something on pre-order, you should know that the specs can change. It can go good for you or bad (you can end up saving or spending more money). It's like this... If you don't want to gamble and play on the safe side, just wait. That's what I've done. What if the prices go up a lot? Well, that's what I would have to pay for me to want the security of getting something that was properly tested. It's life...

Now, we are all receiving what we want... a powerful laptop, with a very good GPU and for an OK price. What else do you all want?

Before you start going on in circles and shouting "I want that one and not mine...", just stop a second to make a reflexion. What did people that ordered the 9800GT loose? NOTHING. Unless I'm really blind and I can't see.

 

Perhaps we should agree to disagree - this is a subjective topic. I understand your focus on the relative difference.

Personally, I try not to focus on my life "relative" to other people (I'm not suggesting your whole life focus is relative either, I'm just talking about me).

Petrov.

 

This has been reduced to a mud-slinging competition over something that is completely out of the resellers hands, crying on here isn't going to change anything, let it go, and start concentrating on enjoying your new purchase!

You were prepared to pay x amount of dollars a few days ago for it, nothing's changed, you're still going to get exactly what you've paid for, nothing more, nothing less.

 

It would be funny if now, after the release... the prices would all increase. I would like to see how many of this self proclaimed "preachers" of justice would step forward and share their money with me.

 

You accuse me of stirring things up with well structured and backed up arguments, then you write this...i rest my case

 

For everyone's interests, I can only say... GOOD!

 

I really wish 200 bucks was insignificant, but its not. I'll be calling Sager today.

Edit: And for all those playing this off as no big deal to those who paid full price, get off your soap box. Two things contribute to one's position on this issue:

1) Their personal ethical beliefs
2) Their personal wealth

So please, lets not compare apples to oranges, if you are wealthy, that's great, perhaps you would like to buy me all the accessories I would not have to shell out additional cash for if I were treated as equally as the other customers.

Also, stop stating that this is not PN or Xotics fault as a way to make it seem as if Justin and Donald are being harassed when they are not. It is obvious that this comes straight from the top and has nothing to do with them.

 

Honestly, for all those who have a problem with it, don't post here, call up Sager and complain.

To me, it seems like you guys are angry because the situation is like this. You want premium. It doesn't feel premium if everyone in coach is butted up to first class with all the wine and food you are getting. We are only human. Sometimes it feels good to have more than someone else, even at a price. I mean, why else would Intel release unnecessary chips like the T9500 and still get cash for it, right?

I understand where these guys are coming from but if you want action, call Sager, Donald and Justin don't have the authority to give you any compensation on this matter.

 

Okay, I'll get on the analogy bandwagon. To all of those complaining that this is affecting them because they're poor college kids, did you complain when other people got scholarships that you didn't?

 

@ Pandadeist
people got scholarships because the worked for it.

I will be calling Sagar today. I agree with Deathwinger and NameInsert in that Justin and Donald are trying to be helpful and fair, but it is simply outsied of their authority to do anything about it.
On a similar note, can you (Justin and Donald) at least pass our frustration to Sagar. Cheers

 

i dont care if ppl with the lesser cards get the free upgrade...i agree with u paladin44
but Why did the base price go up?
the same config i was going to order with the 9800gt is more expensive now =\
i regret not ordering yesterday..argh.

 

I think all the people ordering now should line up and protest because today you are loosing $20.

 

i dunno if your being sarcastic or not, but im just curious of the reason why the base price increased.

 

So, if someone got a scholarship because they're a certain ethnicity, which does happen, they worked towards that?

 

One guess that comes to my mind is that Sager had to be able to promise Clevo that they would make a minimum size initial order and, rather than have the inventory sitting around gathering dust, they reduced the base price in order to get enough pre-orders so that they could be reasonably assured of having the inventory clear. Now that they've met their minimums, they don't need to keep the reduced price in order to be reasonably assured of getting timely deliveries from Clevo.

But that's just my speculation, not based on any first-hand knowledge of the relevant facts.

 

This is because the 9800M GT is now stock. It used to be a upgrade from the ATI.

 

Says the guy with the 2000 Porsche.

Delta_CT and NameInsert have stated their arguments rather reasonably and I agree with them. I can understand the anger of those who paid for the GT, but Donald and Justin are just here to inform and assist customers and potential buyers. If you are dissatisfied with the treatment, bring it up to Sager; unless of course you expect Donald, Justin and other Sager resellers to make up your "loss" out of their pockets. And to be honest, if you really want to speak to the cause, you should be looking at Clevo, not Sager.

 

RJTECH is still offering the CLEVO M860TU with the ati card???? are they just behind.

Order now from RJTECH if you want your free upgrade?!?

 

I believe RJTECH will just have you wait until the 3870 is released for the Clevo M860TU, since Sager is the one giving the free upgrades.

 

lol man you guys should have ordered through PCMW with credit card.

 

To all of those who think that somehow just because a very, very few people were fortunate enough to order a card other than the 9800M GT, that somehow they should be able to break their purchase contract for the GT and get the lesser price I offer my regrets, but as I said before, you are getting exactly what you agreed to, nothing less, and Sager owes you nothing more...period!

However what really puzzles me, and I address this to all of the complainers who have actually pre-ordered the NP8660 with the GT card, how can you possibly reconcile the fact that if Sager allowed you to get a refund back to the lesser card...oh, and which one...the ATi or the GTS...tell me how you would figure that (dumb question I know. Those who are complaining would of course want the refund back to the ATi card..silly me ) ...ok, back to the topic...how can you reconcile that anyone buying from yesterday afternoon on would not get the same price you think you are entitled to. What changed? The announcement itself? According to your arguments you are entitled to a refund because someone else got lucky and got a better deal than you did. Following that argument any new buyers should get the same lucky deal as well. Or, are you arguing that since you are already in we should close the gate and not let anyone else in? How can you possibly justify that since, unlike you that have already given your word that you wanted to buy the NP8660 with the 9800M GT for a agreed upon price, and Sager has given their word that they will sell it to you for that agreed upon price, the new buyers have not made any such agreement and so would have an even better argument that they are somehow entitled to the cheapest price that Sager sold the product to anyone at any time. I am sorry but things just do not work that way. There are no entitlements in this situation. At this point Sager is willing to keep their word to you, and it is up to you to decide if you still want to keep your word to them.

The deal the new buyers will be getting is not as good as yours, and you are getting exactly what was promised...be happy...or cancel. Those are your only choices.

Now, as for all of you who are here just stirring the pot, quit it, because it is very unbecoming and we all see who you are. If you don't have a dog in this fight we really don't need your ill motivated opinions in an attempt to do nothing more than just stir up trouble.

 

Donald, I simply expect to be treated in the same manner that others have when pre-ordering this notebook. Those who have pre-ordered with the 9800M GT received a slap in the face for willing to dish out the extra money, only to find out that those who paid $200 less will receive the same exact notebook. This has nothing to do with luck, if Sager really cared about treating their customers in the proper manner they would take care of this situation. It is unfair to me, who saved up all this money over a long period of time, to pay $200 more for a system when someone else is getting it for less.

Now those of you that are totally fine with paying the extra $200, that's great. Some of us are hard pressed for cash and hearing something like this becomes a matter of principle more than anything else. I personally no longer care about getting a further discount because I ordered the 9800M GT. As you said Donald, either be happy or cancel. And I'm certainly not happy.

 

A) Call the waaaaaaaaaaambulance
B) Cancel

 

If this was true for the complainers they shouldn't have spent the extra cash in the first place. In the banking world that's called living above your needs.

 

Now you know that all you are to Sager is truly a number and not a person. Consider this,

a) hold back the ATI and GTS laptops until they are ready and lose potential summer sales

b) give everyone the GT, the original GT owners will moan but most of them will take it cause they can't get a better deal elsewhere.

If I were a corporation looking at my bank account, I'd go with B, I'm sure for any loss I make on the upgrade from ATI and GTS to GT is a lot less than completely loosing the sales of those who purchased the ATI and the GTS.

Sorry GT guys, this is the true face of Sager, and you are in the minority. Oh how the truth hurts.

Scream at Sager through phone calls though. You might get something going with that.

 

^^ You're absolutely right. My order really doesn't mean anything to them. I actually called and spoke to a guy and he was incredibly rude to me and basically told me to cancel. So there we go.

 

ahh sucks but true..
i just ordered a np8660 today. what annoys me is the increase in base price but w.e.

 

without xoticPC/PNB, sager could be another alienware.

 

and did you cancel?? i have to say i can for sure understand both sides of this.. i know if i was in that place i prov would feel it was unfair as well but looking at it from sager's point of view you did order it at the agreed upon price. its a tough place to be for sager...

 

^^ It's not tough at all, they don't care one bit about this. That was made very clear to me.

 

tough...lol...please, Sager knows that 98% of those who purchased the laptop with the GT are going to keep it. Especially knowing they got their outsourced service (xoticpc and PNB) rated #1 and other companies out there are making them look good and at an affordable price (compared to Dell, Toshiba, ALIENWARE....need I say more?)

Makes me glad I stayed with PCMW. Not saying that I probably won't appreciate the service at Xotic and PNB, but the plain and simple truth is they have no power over this.

At least PCMW has it or at least gave you the impression they do. lol.

 

ignorance is bliss...sure.

 

Man some of you really don't understand how business works. Sager is only upgrading because they jumped the gun on cards that ended up failing. The if the GTS worked then ATI buyers would only get that. Its how it is, like getting a free meal/discount for bad service or a wrong meal at a restaurant. Do you throw your food away because the person next to you got the same meal comped for bad service? Funny thing is I'm willing to bet very few people actually ordered this machine with the lower cards and most of the complaining here is people who just want a better deal.

 

what i meant was sager having to decide not to give anything back for the discounted cards where as they could have simply cancelled and refunded back the money to the ones who already bought so they can buy again.. or gave them a choice to upgrade for the extra $$ or cancel.. im sure sager doesnt enjoy or like telling people to cancel.. but its a desicion they had to make that way.. i didnt mean a lot of people would cancel or anything or anything like that.. sager seems to be a pretty up front company and this time they had to eat there words when they said the cards would be available.. all in all i dont think that was something planned on or intended

 

Yeah but eating 150 or so per card (mix of base and gts orders) for a minimum amount of orders rather than losing the profit Sager gains with the sale, and long term service makes the upgrade a much better deal. Its a good faith offer. No one gets hurt. Would you like to wait another 2 weeks because your preorder was canceled over a lost video card?