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    Thermal Paste Roundup - Performance, Price, Recommendations (Update: Thermal Pads!)

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by jaybee83, Oct 6, 2016.

  1. Mr. Fox

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    This place has reasonable prices. They also have the TG thermal pads. The 11.1g syringe is clearly the best value.

    Huge 11.1g tube - https://www.memoryc.com/18927-thermal-grizzly-kryonaut-thermal-grease-paste-11-1-grams.html (temporarily out of stock)
    Large 5.55g tube - https://www.memoryc.com/20885-thermal-grizzly-kryonaut-thermal-grease-paste-5-55-gram.html
    Little 1.0g tube - https://www.memoryc.com/18989-thermal-grizzly-kryonaut-thermal-grease-paste-1-0-gram.html

    All Thermal Grizzly products list: https://www.memoryc.com/products/manufacturers/thermal_grizzly.html
     
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    Any recommendations for best thermal pad size Mr fox
     
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    Ask in the proper thread for your specific machine. Different machines have different pads setup. Or maybe ask @Meaker@Sager who should knows about most models.
     
  4. Prostar Computer

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    That is pretty good pricing. Amazon has it for nearly twice as much!
     
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    I am not familiar with your notebook model to know what size it has on it from the factory. As a general rule, if all the pads are making good contact you can reduce them all by an equal amount (say 0.5mm) to increase contact pressure at the die. If the machine is fairly new the pads that are on it are probably still good and unless you are going to try and go thinner it may not be worth spending money on new pads. Be careful about buying expensive high W/mK pads. They are usually much harder and resist compression. It is better to have a soft compressible pad with a lower thermal conductance rating than pads that are too hard to compress and interfere with die contact. The high W/mK rating is worthless if it impedes die contact. I've had better results with the inexpensive thermal pads that are softer and easier to compress.

    Yes, that is the best pricing I have found and this is where I started buying my paste. I found similar pricing a couple of other places, but shipping was two or three times as much which made the other vendors not such a good deal after all.

    Side note: The two pack of the Minus 8 pads is enough to do both 1080 GPUs in my P870DM3 as long as you cut the pads into appropriately-sized individual squares for each memory chip and not use them in wastefully long strips to span all of the air space between memory chips. If you place the pads directly on the GPU components (always the best approach) alignment with the heat sink is guaranteed. Putting new pads on the heat sink at the time of first application can be hit or miss in terms of proper placement.
     
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  6. Timbabs123

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    Oh alright thanks a lot for the feedback. Yh the machine is about 2 months old now(cant believe I have had it for that long feels I got it yesterday)

    I will ask on the official forums and see what I can find plus I will send a message to @Meaker@Sager and see what he says :)
     
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    It is the Prime trap from Amazon. If you look at the non prime prices, they are similar.
     
  8. Falkentyne

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    Amazon has them for almost the same price as MemoryC (I just checked), if you buy them from MemoryC's Amazon storefront. All the prices are within a couple of dollars, because they are sold by MemoryC, so Amazon can't mark them up.

    The amazon prices that are almost twice as much are from other sellers (usually overseas somewhere). AFAIK, those are not sold by amazon directly.
     
  9. Support.2@XOTIC PC

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    Always check for other sellers, just in case. But also watch for fraud, sometimes a low cost is too good to be true, and the piggyback order looks legit until you check the seller.
     
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  10. plee82

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    Just finished repasting my old xps 15 L521x. It was repasted three years ago with MX-4. Used IC Diamond and the laptop idles at 50-54C. It used to idle at 60+C lol, I am guessing the super thin design does not help with temp.


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  11. plee82

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    Ugh, this is hilarious. Repasted and repaded and now it overheats during occt BECAUSE the vrm is not overheating and throttling the cpu lmao!


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    Try playing with the voltage to help with that.
     
  13. plee82

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    Voltages are locked on i7-3632QM.

    By the way, what does it mean when idle temps between core are 5-6C apart but when you put them on load on OCCT the temp delta is 2-3C? Is this just inaccurate sensors at low temp?


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    Idle don't tax all cores equal. Nothing wrong.
     
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  15. plee82

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    Thanks, I can overwatch on this 4 years old laptop now lol! Max cpu temp 88C and GPU 78C. GT 640M still rocking.


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    +5 years ;)
     
  17. plee82

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    Had IC Diamond on my fingers and then I swiped my phone. Suddenly I remember all those posts regarding IC Diamond scratching dies and HS lol. Lo and behold, IC Diamond cannot scratch Gorila Glass lol.
     
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    I'm not that surprised, GG is very tough to scratch unless you're trying.
     
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    Yeah, it does mar the IHS and copper, but it's very surface level. Not a big deal.
     
  20. plee82

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    Yup. So far I have tested Grizzly Kyronaut, GC Extreme and IC Diamond. From my experience only, GC Extreme started losing performance in 2-3 weeks. Kryounaut and IC Diamond are very good so far on my two laptops.
     
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    ICD is pretty solid in laptops in mt experience, definitely worth it to me.
     
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    Gelid GC Extreme's performance has proven pretty well, but I have also noticed it deteriorate a bit faster than the more ruddy/more viscous pastes.
     
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    I think both Gelid Extreme and ICD7 bring great results to the table.

    Artic Silver 5....not so much.
     
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    I haven't notice GC-Extreme deteriorate. I went 6 months with same paste and temps were still the same after I reapplied it. One gpu constantly hit 85+ and it seemed to do nothing to the paste. I have noticed that over the years Gelid has made that paste more liquidy than the first tube I bought.
     
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    Which IC diaond is best the 7 or 24?
     
  26. plee82

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    They are the same. That number only represents the amount of paste in the tube.
     
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    Ok thanks. I'll order the bigger one to make sure I have enough in case I get it wrong.
     
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    Why not rather try Phobya NanoGrease Extreme?
     
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    Honest answer, I don't know :)
    In my mind I'm thinking IC will be easier to apply and I have no idea why as I've never done a repaste before.
     
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    At least put the syringe in a plastic bag and then in a cup of hot water (60-65c)a few min before you start repaste. When it gets softer from the heat it is easier to apply. Good luck with the repaste. Don't forget measure max temp before and after :)
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    Repasting is very easy as long as you know how to disassemble the fan and heatsink properly, and you use proper static precaution.
    As long as no LM is used, it's impossible to break anything if you don't static shock something or somehow knock off a SMD or resistor. The hardest part is removing the heatsink, and the second hardest part is cleaning the old gunk off carefully, without knocking off a component. However if you've ever repasted a desktop video card, you already know exactly what you will be dealing with anyway.

    Some laptops however make removing the heatsink VERY VERY hard, or require almost full disassembly to get to it. Those are not fun. You're basically dealing with a miniature desktop in a much harder to remove form factor, with much smaller and thinner and more fragile cables, all crammed into very tight spaces.
     
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    Toothpaste can outperform a lot of thermal pastes.

    For a short time.....
     
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    Anyone here experience the k5 pro thermal pad replacement??? How is it to other thermal pads like the artic or fujipoly one.

    I ordered one but not sure How effective it will be
     
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    Not a replacement for thermal pads.
     
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    Sooo i should get proper thermal pads instead?
     
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    Yes. Only viable solution. K5 Pro will help but not on same level as pads.
     
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    I read they have a thermal rating of about 5.3w /mk which is quite close to some of the others. So what is causing the difference?
     
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    Beware that K5 PRO is adhesive (like glue) so you need to warm up (by heatgun sometimes) very well the heatsink or where is applied, to remove also to change later
     
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    Ohhhhh ill take note of that =/ it wasnt show during their videos :( i got the one that was in a tube thou.
    Do you happen to have any experience in it?
     
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    a mosfet has pop-out (glued to heatsink)!

    Happened to me on aftermarket cooler, arctic accelero extreme on GTX 480 :vbfrown:
     
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    Ill
    ill give mine a look first before i will use it.
    Shall order some arctic pads just in case :(
    my k5 is already shipped shall just wait and see. I read around and thought it was quite good :/
     
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    I use k5 pro for the chokes, no issues at all.
     
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    VRM's is another matter. They will run pretty hot. Hence use at least proper thermal pads on them.
     
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    Something like the thermal grizzly pads will do very well. The big thing to ensure with pads is a good fit.
     
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    Did you use them only on the chokes or replaced all thermal pads?
     
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    How would the arctic thermal pads compare to the gelid gp extreme ones? The thermal ratings for the gelid ones are 12w/mk which is quite high compared to the arctic but i have not seen anyone talk about them =/
     
  48. plee82

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    I use k5 pro for my problematic chokes only. Everything else I use Artic Thermal.
     
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    The proper way using K5 Pro. If you can... Always use thermal pads.
     
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    The thermal ratings are mostly marketing really.
     
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