Thoughts on NP7850/N850hp6

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Everything is great..It's a little bulkier than I expected...100% utilization on CPU I was in the high 60's low 70's on a 10 minute run.. The screen is okay and it's prob the worst thing about the laptop so far..

I received my battery with 10% wear.. Also I can't figure how to turn this backlight off, I have downloaded the hotkey with no luck...

For the price, not a single laptop comes close..Definitely get it...

 

@HeardEmSay :
Have you opened it? How easy is to maintain the internals - component upgrade/change and repaste?

 

I'm really curious about temps could you test (stress test) it with aida64?

 

There's a bunch of bottom screws to remove from the main panel then three mini screws under where the battery goes... I installed an m.2 ssd and repasted with nano diamond which was pretty annoying.. The process is pretty much the same from the past 6 generations and once the bottom cover is off, all components are easily accessible... The fans and heatsinks are much bigger than I expected...

I'll try and run some tests once I figure some things out..

 

Keyboard backlight? FN + F4 until it cycles off.

 

Seems to be the LG LP156WF6-SPK3 more specifically, as the current panel included in the Clevo barebone for resellers who do not opt to use their own panels (most don't but Eluktronics does). It is IPS, but disappointingly this is only a 45% NTSC color gamut IPS display. The de-facto standard for GTX 1060 6GB laptops is 72% NTSC, and this laptop joins the Lenovo Legion Y720 FHD in falling short of that. Colors may appear more muted on this display compared to the competition. I'll also mention that the P650HP3 stock panel seems to be the SPK1, which is only 45% NTSC as well.

To the contrary, this Acer Aspire V 15 Nitro uses a 72% NTSC color gamut IPS display, the LG LP156WF6-SPP1. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...23aa_001_i7_7700hq_16gb_1tb_1060_windows.html

 

Tried that with no luck...the backlight symbols are on the number pad... The obsidian tool also doesn't have this model either.. I read a user ended up just removing the ribbon for the backlight...

 

Ah, you're right. I was looking at the wrong keyboard (another N series model).

FN and * (on the numpad) is supposed to toggle the backlight on and off. If it's not working, perhaps there's an issue with your EC firmware.

 

Well, actually I installed control center and it isn't showing up anywhere either.. and windows is fully updated... All other fn controls are working so I'm not sure lol...

 

I don't know anything about Eluktronics, but you can't order chassis from Clevo without LCD panels.

There are two panel options in the P950HP6, a 45% display with the i5 CPU and a 72% with the i7 CPU.

 

Not the best benchmark, but this was MGS5 temps after 15-20 min...

 

thanks for this test.
I do not know if this game stresses enough cpu / gpu. aida64 is better for it

 

It would seem that all of the backlight controls exist outside of the EC and done entirely within the Windows software. Same thing happens on my P650, no Clevo CC, no controls. Particularly, I can't control the backlight in Linux. Haven't bothered to dig too deep into it though but I'm sure it could probably be controlled there.

 

Pretty sure you're right because... I found the control center and managed to shut off the backlight...the weird thing is, it's registering my inputs when I turn the brightness down on the keyboard through the control center program but it won't actually apply to the keyboard itself...I'm not sure what the deal is..

 

The brightness controls as well as media keys and sleep key are all standard keyboard inputs and served directly to the OS. Thus all of those things will work in other operating systems (they'll register the keys as regular keyboard input from the keyboard device at least).

The backlight controls appear to be handled inside the EC and addressed separately. Makes sense since back-lighting is not part of the standard key-set. It also looks like the EC has no logic of it's own as it's entirely dependent on the ControlCenter telling it what to do and seems to have no abilities of it's own.

Simpler keyboard backlights are usually hardware controlled for on/off/brightness which is why they don't require hardware. RGB obviously needs some more logic which they haven't bothered to implement in hardware.

 

I just got this laptop and cant find where to install the m.2 ssd. Any help?

@HeardEmSay

 

The M.2 Slot is directly below the wireless card... The screw is in a baggie with the manual... There's a picture on the first page of this thread where you'll see the Samsung SSD on this particular model... Insert at an angle and just push down then screw it in...

 

Yep, standard M.2 installation so nothing strange going on for all the user serviceable bits.

 

Any idea what would be the better performing system between Acer Predator G5-793 and Clevo N850HP3 in terms of cooling and longevity?

 

2 shared heatpipes in the acer and 2 dedicated to GPU and 2 dedicated to CPU in the sager

 

Schenker XMG A517
https://www.mysn.de/xmg-advanced-gaming-laptops/xmg-a517

 

I am really curious about this laptop as well. IPS screen on this one isn't good?

 

http://s472165864.onlinehome.fr/anyware/manuels/N850HP6 SM 20170420.pdf

 

Hi all,

after drawing a blank from my normally preferred source I'm looking for a Germany-based reseller that offers the N850hp6 configured with the fingerprint reader factory option
(and the i7-7700HQ, 62Wh battery, 2x USB 3.1 Gen2 ports, FHD webcam, Intel 8265 WiFi, German keyboard, for that matter).

Any hints are appreciated.

 

I don't know if we are your usual preferred source, butbi not please checkout the link to the XMG A517 in the above post. Itbhas everything you need, apart from the fingerprint reader.....this unlisted as a factory option in the service many which I'm sure toubhave checked out in the link above, but I'm not aware of any companies which offer this chassis with the fingerprint reader. To be honest I'm not even sure if the option made it to mass production orders or if it was just a pre launch option.

 

I see the B156HTN05.2 (the 120Hz LCD) listed on page A-7 for part number 5 on the list. Does this mean I can swap out the stock 60 Hz panel for this one myself after purchase?

 

I don't knon but may be. You should ask @XMG @clevo-extreme @Meaker@Sager @Prostar Computer

 

if you have lcd display cable, yes. you can.

 

Wouldn't an LCD display cable be built in already? Or would I need to buy one of those as well?

 

There's one there, but the 120Hz panel should have a different pinout, in which case you need to do some disassembly to swap the cable also.

 

Thanks. How difficult would this be? I have some experience with building desktops/switching up parts in laptops but I am by no means an expert. Do you by any chance know what LCD cable I would need specifically?

 

It's a bit of work, not too bad, but then I suppose it really boils down to your comfort and experience. Routing the cable is sometimes annoying.

Since we don't offer the 120Hz panel on this system, sadly I do not have the part number of the cable for reference.

 

I see I see. I'm hovering over the order button, I just need to know what cable I would need for this. How could I find out? I will order the P650 instead with the 120Hz pre-installed if I can't figure all of this out before ordering. The P650 with the pre-installed 120Hz will cost me about $150-$200 more than buying the N850hp6 and replacing myself.

 

Than better buy p650 with 120hz display.

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So I just did some more research, and both the LG LP156WF6-SPK3 (standard 60Hz screen in this model) and the B156HTN05.2 (the 120Hz panel I want to put in) have a 30 pin eDP connector in the bottom right. Does this mean the cable it comes with should work with the replacement screen?

 

If the pinout is the same, then you should be good. I may have confused the 40 pin eDP cables for going with the 120Hz panels, I think they're actually intended for the 4K panels now that you mention it.

 

its quite a easy job with correct cable & lcd.. I upgraded mine to a 4k panel.. took about 40mins

 

Alright, I'm gonna try it. I ordered this screen: Look at this on eBay http://www.ebay.com/itm/401323709773

Doesn't say anything about being 120Hz, but it is the same model number so it should be. I will report back in a week

 

Checking back in! It works, plug and play. Brightness controls still work too.

It was very easy to install, took 10 minutes. Also installed 8 more GB of RAM and a 512GB m.2 SSD I had laying around. I love it, the screen makes all the difference in the world for fast paced games.

My only issue is that the GPU runs very hot. I was playing Overwatch to test the PC out and with the battery mode set to high performance, fan speed set to auto, my GPU hit 88C and was still rising when I exited the game to figure out what was going on. It was not very loud, so I assumed the fan just wasn't running at full speed for some reason. I found the fan speed setting and set it to maximum, and I was right. The automatic fan speed was not past probably 70% for some reason, even though the GPU was at 88C. The "Custom" fan profile option does not allow for any fan curve, just a max fan speed and min temperature where they will turn on. For some reason, on the custom fan speed option, you cannot push the fan speed past a max of 80%. Anyone know why automatic/custom don't seem to go any higher than 70 or 80%? Temperatures were fine (hovering around 80C) when I forced max fan speed, just wish I could get it to do that by itself.

Would repasting help me get better thermals?

Solid built 120 Hz, GTX 1060, 7700HQ, 16 GB RAM, 128GB SSD = $1185. Insane deal. Love it so far.

 

Set battery mode to Balanced..undervolt your cpu using Intel XTU(less heat anywhere is better)..definitely re-paste....I re-pasted a few times with alternate methods....The X method with a decent amount of paste seemed to work the best..... CPU Temps for me are really good, but the GPU does get a little hot...I'm currently playing OW as well and noticed it gets in the 80's range, but FN+1 maxes the fans out which tbh isn't all that loud so it doesn't make a difference to me.....I stay between 78-80 in OW(which heavily taxes the GPU) in 1-2 hour sessions and the CPU in the 60's...Anytime I play OW, I just max fans before I play..Easier to replace fans than soldered hardware...

 

I already undervolted CPU and the Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut just arrived so I will be repasting tonight . I didn't know about the FN+1 fan maxing option! That is perfect. I just don't understand why the automatic setting doesn't do it on its own. I'm just glad I don't have to open that menu to max the fans every time. Thanks man!

 

It will be to keep a ceiling on the usual noise level.

 

here a review (german)
https://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Schenker-Technologies-XMG-A517-Clevo-N850HP6-Laptop.230078.0.html

 

Received my unit a few days ago, got it without storage and Intel 8265, will put up a review and buying experience later. For now though, I'm observing some interesting behaviors which I'm wondering if anyone can explain/solve.

First thing, MSI afterburner doesn't play well with this laptop. On my first W10 install, I installed the latest Nvidia driver and let W10 automatically download the rest. Then installed afterburner 4.3.0, the GPU temperature at idle jumps around from 0 to regular readings. Here's a picture:

The entire afterburner UI also stutters every 3 second. Temperature reading is normal when GPU is utilized, such as in a game.

Then I tried beta 4.4.4, a bit better, now GPU temperature still jumps, but jumps at around a 5 degree variance.

Then I reinstalled W10 again, this time disabled any automatically installed driver and installed all the drivers provided by sager. (L) Now with 4.4.4, no GPU temperature is picked up at all lol. Reinstalled 4.3.0. Same behavior as before, the jumping to 0 thing.

Another issue is the fan noise. There doesn't seem to be a curve, but goes in steps. The fans can go completely off, but the slightest load (even just mouse movement) cause the fan to kick in at a very noticeable level...

The fan control provided by sager in the control center is extremely limited, with only three options:

Tested it for a bit, so what happens is, if temperature rises above 60, the fan starts spinning, the fan will continue to spin until it hits the fan stop temp, where it stops. So if temperature hits 60, and drops to 55c, the fan will continue to spin until 50c is hit. After undervolting, and setting start temp at 70, then stop temp at 60. It's alright so far. No fan spinup during idle/light workload.

Anyone know a way to create a custom fan curve that allows speed up to 100% though (by default it goes to 80%)? Pretty sure something like speedfan won't work laptop.

I've used intel XTU to undervolt the CPU by -0.125v (load around 1.0v, idle around 0.6v. This drops load temperature (with prime95 26.6) from 88c to 78c which is nice.

As for the GPU, with heaven benchmark, with default fan settings it runs at 92-93c with clocks fluctuating around 1500mhz. Using FN + 1 to max out fan speed, it runs at 86-87c with clocks at around 1530mhz. Anyone know how to lower power limit, or undervolt the gtx 1060 mobile?

I'll be repasting in a few weeks, hopefully that helps the CPU and GPU. Hopefully this helps the GPU temp a bit.

 

I'm eyeballing this machine - Hard.

Hard enough to get me to make a forum account instead of my usual lurking lol.

How is the chasis build quality? As a frame of reference my NP9150 is now dead after years of faithful service. How does the build compare?

I know that there's a 15in available with an aluminum body (NP8156?) but its coming with some bells and whistles I'm trying to avoid on price point for now (SSD G Sync). I figure I can spring for a SSD later, G Sync I just don't care enough about. The extra 8 gigs RAM is nice / wanted, but again I'll be adding that after the fact.

Will I not love this new 7850 as much as my old faithful chasis wise? Or is the build of similar quality? I read around that it had "flex" in spots so I thought I'd ask.

 

My NP7850 is the first ever gaming laptop I've owned, so I don't know the standard.

What I can tell you is I think the chassi quality is decent enough, doesn't feel fragile when I'm carrying it around. When typing, if you're just using enough force to actuate the keys, there's no flex and the screen has no wobble. If you press hard the middle section does cave in a bit and screen wobbles slightly.

Did a video:


I don't dare to twist the laptop as a whole (I know reviewers do it, but I feel uncomfortable bending my laptop like that, sorry!)

I haven't written a full review of the laptop (yet) since I haven't repasted, nor figure out the all the quirks yet, hopefully I'll get that out in a few days.

 

Thanks. Looks about right to me.

How's sound quality? I always felt that it was rather good for a laptop on my old Sager.

 

Speakers are usable for watching videos for youtube. I wouldn't listen any music with it. Bass sounds really off, muffled even. I have a JBL flip 3, so I have some idea what above average speaker should sound like.

Audio jack output is what I'd expect from motherboard audio. Decent enough, I have no problem plugging in a IEM and listening some music with it. I'm not an audiophile by any mean, but I do own a fulla 2 (dac/amp) which I find offer a better sound quality (can't tell you exactly how though, it sounds....cleaner?).

By default, the sound blaster 3 cinema software adds a weird echo sound effect. Be sure to turn that off if you get the laptop.

I barely use speakers, either IEM or headphone for me, so for the price of $985 (removed HDD, added intel 8265 which I'm regretting), I'm satisfied with it.

Notebookcheck.net has a full review of it (I believe someone linked it a few pages before), most of what they say are correct and I agree with them (they got the european model, which is why they paid a crazy $1378 for it).

 

Yes

Yeah I read thru that review as best able via Google translate. They were hard on the audio in it as well as fan location, overall temps and build quality to a degree.

Seems the right fan blows out the side and on to a rightie's "mouse use" area. Has that been noticable or an annoyance for you?

 

Right now, not so much, although I suspect it's partly due to the bad paste job. I'm hitting 96c on my gpu when I play overwatch. So heat isn't getting dissipated. Once I do the repaste and heat is properly being taken out by the fan, then I'll comment on how bad it is