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jaybee83,



seems like a desktop siblings, but they still should perform faster...

 

thanks buddy! +rep

ooh yeah, these are definitely desktop cards. no need to even check the image description, theres just no way mobile cards can reach these scores yet in 3DMark11 scores of around 4500 - 5000 in P-mode would already be pretty awesome for 680M and 7970M, but these would be just ridiculous lol

cheers

 

Exactly! These are ~10% shy of the desktop GTX 680 vs HD 7970. I'd say it's a 100% fake.

 

It is fake, no source no nothing. Besides DevilTech provided this on their facebook page, I would say that some comment are quite mad, but they got deleted.. hmm SO ODD

 

DevilTech is one of the worst resellers I've ever heard of, so I'm not so sure if they're trustworthy.

Also, if you want to predict how the mobile variants will fare vs each other, you should be comparing 7870 vs 660, not 7970 vs 680.

 

though dissapoint at 680m base on gk106 not gk104, it still performs in reasonable half:
desktop 680=~200w p9xxx
mobile 680m=~100w p45xxx
just like 285m sli~=285 5870 cf~=5870 580m sli~=580 6970m cf~=6970
480m sli~=470

and remember the test is es sample, maybe its hl es core, so retail one maybe r core which have lower power draw and cooler

 

Do you know any details about the 7970M?

 

Well, the 7970M should be based off the 7870. Other than that, I don't think there's any other information on it other than a tentative (but unofficial) release date, which is April 30th for PxxxEM and May 30th the MSI models.

 

well
1.if as clevo engineer pridict, 7970m=~675m, then it based on 7770 or just 6990m rebrand, remember the chart from clevo?

680m 675m 670m 660m already proof its accurate of nvidia gpu

2.if as alex, who leak 680m bench said, 7970m=~680m and draw only 65w!? based on 7870 for sure
so first launch=675m vs 7970m ......a repeat of last year, 460m vs 6970m on m17x/m18x

 

I have seen those dates before and I wonder who came up with those? They are pretty off...

 

I am eager to know when the 7990M comes out. I hope its not later than mid-summer...

 

That would also be when the 680M coming out

EDIT: whoops, i thought you said 7970M. There are no details on the 7990M at all yet

 

The April 30th was from a Portuguese reseller.

The May 30th was from our chinese buddies

EDIT:

and DGDXGDG how old is that clevo chart?

 

He said 7990M. We have to wait for the 6990M after the 6970M. My guess is that 7970M comes out and is champ until 680M comes out, then they can release 7990M to compete with it. I'm patiently waiting for both and to see if it's worth it to upgrade my 6990M.

 

I think ATi 7970 may not offer on Sager for a few months, it will be available on Alienware first like last year. there's why all the new clevo models only offer Nvidia 6xxs. same thing we should get 680 before alienware.

 

Don't count with getting 7970M in MSI or Clevo before mid of June.

 

Sure hope you are wrong, because I've allready paid for mine(clevo), and ETA was 3 weeks. I wouldn't want to wait 2 months!!

 

eh, as long as it's before the beginning of summer

 

I want 7970 before the end of the month! Come onnnn! I'm hoping they surprise us and actually try to compete with Nvidias new 6xx chips [even though none are Kepler yet] the 660m should come out at the end of the month I hope the 7970 comes out to out compete it... 7970 + 3610 ivy bridge would be a great bang for your buck combo

 

Why would that surprise us? The AMD's were right there with the Nvidia cards last time too. The 6990m is slightly faster than the 580m if you look at notebookcheck's benchmark list. If the 7970 competes with the 660m I will be highly disappointed as it should be much closer to the 680m than the 660m.

 

Yeah you definitely have not been reading rumors/speculated benches...apparently the 7970m performs AT LEAST 20% better than the 6990m/580m at a lower wattage, and is more expensive than the 675m.

 

How much future proofing does that get you and does it seem worth the seeming price jump? A cool 3-4 years of gaming capability would be nice.

 

3-4 years of gaming sounds possible with the 7970M, and not at a very high price either (like $1500-1600)

although probably in a bout 2-3 years you'll find yourself only able to play at med settings, and 3-4 years is probably low settings.

 

To most people 1500 is a rather high price for a laptop, just going to put that out there.

 

well, we ARE talking about high-end gaming laptops here and for those, 1500 bucks isnt all that much, especially since there arent many alternatives out there....

cheers

 

Word! 10char

 

I think you should wait for the 680m if you want that many years of gaming on your laptop. My computer is about 2 and a half years old with a 280m and I still play most games on medium or high settings, but I'm ready for a new one.

 

Hell, most computers with discrete graphics cards are capable of gaming, imo. My laptop from 2-years ago had a middle-of-the-road graphics card even for the time and it still runs every game I've thrown at it fine. When we talk high performance gaming laptops like these Sagers, we tend to expect perfection and it's a luxury we pay dearly for... and often with diminishing returns for our money too. I tell myself these things so I don't beat myself up over not getting the best stuff.

 

I'm pretty much on the same boat, save a few minor upgrades to keep the machine going. I'm pretty used to turning the settings down and still enjoying the game fine. My game backlog is massive anyway thanks to steam sales so it's not like I'm playing the newest of the new games. To be honest though, the temptation for high end starts all over again when it's time to upgrade... which leads to the finger nail chewing waiting for a 7000m.

 

The 7970m + Ivy Bridge will give at least a solid 3 years of gaming/designing/normal work use. They will probably be able to play games on medium in 3-4 years still. At that point though it will probably be upgrade time. I just want to keep each laptop for 4 years then either sell it for cheap or keep it for a media PC, or server etc...

 

I highly doubt that the 7970m will be able to play games 4 years into the future on medium unless that is, the gaming modification and tweaking suddenly stops. The 7990m might, but who knows.

 

We're well into the era of Console Ports, so 4 years for a 7970m isn't exactly asking much, look at the 485m, can still play most games.

 

Except the 485M is only two years old, so...

In four years computer improvement will probably slow down by a lot, considering Intel predicts they'll get their technology down to like 10 or 8 nm or smth like that... can't get much better than that

 

As stated above, a somewhat ~1 year old graphics-card does not argue against me? I can't follow you Netherwind.. era of Console Ports? What?

Also I somehow agree with you awakeN, but you have to consider that several improvements are going to be made no matter what in a time space of 4 years, I would at least expect something very GPU tearing to show up. I mean, CryEngine surely did nock several socks away when it was shown and later was imprinted/used by FarCry. Later we got CryEngine 2 which was in Crytek's game Crysis, which was a groundbreaking visual improvement considering all of the other games on the market. But yes, I somewhat agree

 

The GTX 485m was released in January 2011 - so it´s not 2 years old... only 1 year and 3 months...

 

Okay Okay, look at the 280m then!

 

Yeah though something was wrong in that calculation, thanks for the heads up! Edit my earlier post.

The 280m was released the 2nd of February, 2009 that is 3 years my dear friend, there's a good reason that I mentioned 4 years and not 3 nor more or less

 

Keep in mind that at least one of the new HD consoles will hit the market in 2013. GPU system requirements will increase substantially, not on day one, but a year or two into the generation. So in 2014, more games will start feeling like Crysis, as far as your GPu being taxed more heavily.

Also, if the 7970M is only ~30% faster than the 6990M, you shouldn't even consider it as being in a completely higher performance tier.

I think I'll wait for 8000M and GTX 700M.

 

Yep, totally agree with that. Even if you opt for the most powerful GPU of 2012 in SLI/CF, it will have to be upgraded shortly after the new consoles launch.

 

I'm pretty sure the consoles won't be that much more powerful than a 7970m, perhaps they will run dual 7970m's but won't have as much processing power.

We can only guess; but all of these new 28nm cards make it possible for some powerful consoles; I still doubt they will be much more powerful than a gaming laptop can be... At least at the price they will be at. Consoles will probably have something like a 7970, maybe 7990, that will be plenty for a few years. Not sure though; either way I'm fine with games on medium if they must be.

I normally just play Diablo 3 and MOBAs like LoL and Dota 2 when It's out. I don't need the complete top of the line.

I think the 7970 will be fine for a while and then next year maybe I'll get the 7990m or 8970 or w.e. is out at the time. You can always upgrade...

 

The Xbox 720 is rumored to have graphics "along the lines of AMD's Radeon 7000-series". Not 7000m, but 7000. If so, that's significant IMO

source: Rumor: Xbox 720 to Have 'Ridiculously Powerful' 16-Core CPU

 

^^ exactly. Even now, when many titles are just console ports, the requirements are still pretty high. With the new consoles we are looking at 2-3x bumps in system requirements.

 

I think possibly 2x performance; 3x is too much to hope for from what I've heard. Unless they wait another 8 months or so. If they could SLi 2 7990m's or GTX 680m's in a machine and give it enough cooling to work it would be extremely beast with a ivy bridge or similar. It would cost $500 though at least. Even subsidized to hell like PS3's were it would have to cost them 4 or 5 hundred minimum to get that kind of performance in a package that isn't huge [360 weighs almost 8 lbs, hopefully they keep it at 7 or 8]. Still though; a laptop can do photoshop; gaming on the go; many things that a console won't do.

 

Consider the following, most modern console ports have higher system requirements for PCs compared to the hardware of current consoles. Actually, it's way higher. Same will happen after the next refresh. The 16-core CPU + HD 7000 series graphics is just the base line. Console ports get plenty of enhancements for PCs. Take Crysis 2 DX11 with the latest enhancement pack. At max settings it still kills 6990m CF in some areas.

 

Does it make business sense for system requirements on the PC to spike so radically so quickly? I imagine it would lock out a huge margin of customers. Does anyone recall from the last generation release?

 

lol that's why they built skyrim over directx 9

 

Yes, like 7600 series, so the 7970m will still most likely be faster.

 

Well, I waited to get my 6970M a year ago with great results. But, upon hearing about the 7xxxM series, I might just have to take the plunge and grab myself one of these new cards.

I love my laptop, but I'd be willing to pay the cost for the card itself and install it to get a few more years out of her.

Any issues being foreseen putting a 7xxxM series into my current laptop? Heatsinks included, it should be pretty plug-and-play, correct?

 

That likely means a new laptop versus upgrading your current one. That's a different trade for most people.

On the subject of next gen consoles, I don't expect xbox 3 or ps4 until 2014. This year's E3 will be all about Halo 4, Bioshock Infinite, maybe God of War 4 etc. Next year they will unveil with release holiday of the following year. Microsoft has had the best selling console for the past 13 months or so. They have no incentive to get out of this gen quickly.

 

Rumours say ATI HD 7670 (not M) - Sources Detail the PlayStation 4's Processing Specs - IGN