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Oh hell yeaaaa!!!!!!!!
Now you talking........

 

AMD is suspiciously quiet. I hope they will release 7970M really soon (1-2 months), otherwise I'll be one sad panda.

 

Given the delays with Ivy and kepler, we are all sad pandas already

 

And we were waiting for some news about 7970M in the Alienware from Pax East this weekend. Nothing. Not a single word from anyone....

 

If what you are saying is true, it should be able to pull out +5500pts in 3Dmark11

Now thats unreal!!! amazing

 

I wish the 7970 was out; I would be fine with that if it performs like a GTX 675m but for slightly less.... Gahhhh I want a slick laptop but I want to get the best bang for my buck. Such hard times! haha

 

They were too busy with the event to pay attention to their notebook booth, lol. We should get some news from Dell tomorrow

yes, 5.5k is what I'm thinking too.

 

I wouldn't be. If I wanted a last gen card I'd buy one. I want something that's better!

 

lol well the 7970m would be techinically better if it was same performance as 580m but less power consumption.

However I would also like it to be better "performing" cause then the lesser cards (77xxm/78xxm) will be more powerful

 

Well, for me, 10% Less power draw >> 10% Less performance..

I would always choose the less power draw due to its versatility and cooling headroom.

I also can't wait for the upcoming AMD GPUs.

 

yeah same if the rumors are correct they gon' be beasts in skinny sexy machines :drool:

 

My point was more that the 6990M is already both of those things, equal to the 580M with less power consumption. I want something better than the 6990M though, otherwise I'd have a 6990M right now.

If the 7970 were equal to a 675M/580M, I'd be highly disappointed. Thankfully, most are saying it should be more equal to the 680M.

 

wait i thought both 6990m and 580m were 100w gpus?

 

The 6990M has a max power draw of about 10W less than the 580M.

 

i am kinda a noob but how much difference does 10w make in cooling and performance?

 

If you would have looked over benches and power consumption statistics you would have known that the 7000 series from AMD are not as power efficient as the 6000 series (taking into consideration the die shrink). Everyone expected a much higher performance jump.

Considering what has happened in the desktop market, at this point, it is very likely that the performance jump of the 7000M from the 6000M will be less than that of the 680M from the 580M. Moreover, if AMD wants to preserve it's 90W TDP opposed to Nvidia's 100W, then I don't see them managing to beat the 680M, that can only happen if they also go 100W and even then they will only beat Nvidia by a small margin.

Truth is, in the end it all comes down to price, and usually AMD prices its cards cheaper than Nvidia. Although again, this has not been the case with the 7900 desktop series, where Nvidia's cards are cheaper and faster than AMD's.

For me the choice is simple, since I want a 3D laptop. But I think all this enthusiasm for AMD's future generation might lead to some serious disappointment.

 

Yeah, I'm not putting my eggs in any basket until I know for sure what the performance is. All I'm saying is if you want 675M performance with less power, then the 6990M is already there. If the 7970M only matches the 6990M, I'd be highly disappointed.

 

Dayuum. It looks like the 6990m is better than the newer 670m. Lol, do you guys think that when the 680m will be released there will be a laptop that is worth 1200$ with the 680m?

 

No laptops are offered with 6990m anymore .... or pre-orders with Ivy Bridge for that matter........looks like we wait 20 more days, what was this April 8th thing about, we learned nothing new.

 

All AMD has to do is use the full 100W this time to be the clear winner (but they probably won't do that). Based on the first reviews, the lead of the GTX 680 over 7970 isn't as convincing as was the 580 over the 6970 a year ago. Especially if you look at the most demanding games with FPS drops below 50-30 (Metro, Crysis). IMHO, games where both camps hit 100FPS+ shouldn't even be considered at this point.

 

I hate to agree with you but yes. Although they surely can improve their drivers and power output.

 

oh man, apparently the 7xxx's and 6xxx's have been leaked from the dell alienware district, don't know how reliable it is but heres the thread:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/gam...5439-buzz-gtx680m-first-benchmark-m17xr4.html

If its true however... just wow ATI has out done itself this year.

 

10w = about 34 BTUs. That is enough energy to heat 1 pound of water (about 1/8th a gallon) a full 34 Degrees F.

 

lol i could have probably done those conversions myself but thanks, how does a 10w diff apply in comps tho :S

 

This information, I am sure, is somewhere in teh 50 odd pages of this thread, sorry, but sorting through it all for what i think might be a simple question was a little too daunting of a task for me....

With that said, I was looking into the new 675M GPU because, well, more power is more exciting, but im upgrading from a year and a half old GTX 260M, and im playing games like Dota2, Men of War, Company of Heros, League of Legends and am looking forward no doubt to Diablo 3... I began to ask myself, is that sort of power really necessary?

Where does a "lower end" card like the 650M fit in? I know it has the new kepler tech so it runs cooler and can be overclocked some, but why do i feel like getting a 650M would not be enough. What kind of increase in performance from my GTX 260M are we talking about.

Thanks to anyone who takes the time to answer!

 

gtx 675m is basically a 2 year old card renamed from 580m. No point getting old tech. The gt650m gtx660m amd 7750m are the cards you should be looking to get.

Your gtx260m card is good enough to play games but the 650m is easily twice as fast on 3dmark vantage then your graphics card. Your graphics card is a 75w card compared to the 650m which will be around 35-40w and it scores 2x as much in vantage. Kepler is also good at playing games with aa I believe as well.

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260M - Notebookcheck.net Tech
GeForce GTX 675M - GeForce

In other words is your laptop should weigh around 1kg less, have 3 or 4 more hours battery life, be half as thick as your current laptop, the cpu ivy bridge 22nm 3612qm 2.1ghz quad 35w should take as much as a dual core sandy bridge while hd 4000 22nm ivy bridge graphics should perform as well as a hd 5650 and on top of that the Overclocking potential will be huge.

I nearly forgot to add direct x11 games will be playable as well and when you say is that sort of power really necessary I will just say if you game a lot your electricity bill will be much lower, gaming performance will be much better.

I believe amd 7970m will take less power then your gtx260m to run and that will make your graphics card look like a basic card

 

A 660M would be fine, as they only come in GDDR5. A 650M, like in the Clevo W110ER/Sager NP6110, however, is DDR3, which is less than half the bandwidth. I believe the Lenovo Y580 is supposed to have the GDDR5 650M, and the refreshes from HP may as well.

 

10w, not a ton of difference in a large frame machine. Once you go compact, 10 watts can have a huge impact. Of course, you know it all depends on the cooling solution and how much effort the engineering team put into the design of the machine, from the Heatsink, to fan speed, to airflow.

Many designs that are only getting an IB update are already "rated" for a certain thermal envelope, thats why people are so concerned about each GPU's TDP.

For new designs and re-works, they may engineer something that will house a higher temp GPU.

 

A GTX650M even with GDDR3 (which means lower bandwith) should be capable of handling most of the games in "high" settings in 768p like the W110's screen.

Benchmarks wise, there was just a tiny improvement from 2GB GDDR3 to 1GB GDDR5 even though the latter would be better ofc.

 

First off, thanks for the great reponse! You hit everything and it is literally a $500 difference. The $1500 - 9150 I'm sure is great, but if the 675M is old but powerful, it probably means its hot and heavy. Would i need it to max out Battlefield 3, possibly, but to play an RTS, probably not.

The other option for a notebook is the NP6165 which i wasnt even considering before i saw that the 650M is actaully a "newer" card. I was simply assuming is was older from the name. Its almost 3 pounds lighter and supports the same processor and matte-screen.

Also, it appears the 650M is GDDR5 (nVidia GT 650M 1024MB PCI-Express GDDR5)

EDIT: This is the card offered at xoticpc.com for the SagerN6165 http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np6165-clevo-w150er-eta-4222012-p-4344.html)

 

NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M - Notebookcheck.net Tech

I find it slightly odd that the 670M is not listed? Not part of the same series of new Kepler models?

EDIT: More questions ;p I assume that any Kepler card runs TXAA?

 

Correct; the 670M is a rebranded 570M, and the 675M is a rebranded 580M. They're both Fermi; the same exact chip as before, except I believe the 670M's stock clocks are marginally higher than the 570M's.

I didn't realize xotic had any 650/660 models up yet aside from the W110ER. That looks to be a good option, yes.

I didn't hit everything, actually; I forgot to mention that the 640M/650M/660M are all basically the same card-provided they're the GDDR5 variants. Technically speaking, the 640M is clocked slower (as is, to a lesser extent, the GDDR5 650M), but that's easy enough to resolve.

The only real difference is that the 660M gets the GTX moniker, and that it's expected to be MXM 3.0 or 3.1 (and hence be upgradeable). Whether the GDDR5 650M is also MXM is not yet known, but unlikely, as it has been confirmed that the DDR3 650M (mentioned above found in the W110ER) is soldered onto the motherboard.

 

The P150EMs can be upgraded in the future to Kepler (660/680) cards if one gets it with a 670m right now, right?

 

@kinki - the 670M and the 675M are rebranded 570M and 580M respectively. They offer slightly improved performance as compared to their 5xxM counterparts, but cost a lot cheaper. They are based on the Fermi architecture, NOT Kepler.

They are listed in NBCheck's list though, just not under the new Mobile Kepler GPUS. You can find it here: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670M - Notebookcheck.net Tech

 

GDDR5 GT650M = GTX 560M
DDR3 version will have much worse bandwidth so in 1080p gaming it will suffer.

GT650M/560M atleast 70%ish better than the 260M.

GTX 560M 75W
GTX 260M 75W
GT 650M 40W-ish

 

Yes, it would seem that they have the ability to be upgraded, since they sport a MXM 3.0/3.1 connection and the power rating is within the 180W limit for P150EM.

The P151EM should also be (up)gradable to a GTX 660M, since the TDP of the 660M is supposed to be lower than that of the 670M.

 

Is that last paragraph about MXM 3.0 - 3.1 to say one is upgradable and the other, in this case for sure the 650M DDR3, is not?

EDIT: It seems I understood correctly.

Apart from the amazing answers, (i know about 5x more about computers in general than i did 10 minutes ago) I was also a little suprised to see that the upgraded 5165 - 6165 is being largely ignored in the light of the P150 and 151EMs. As a follow-up question, because this is using Kepler, would overheating simply not be something to really worry about. Probably the one and only thing holding me back from simply going with the 6165 is the lack of back-vents on the 5165 model pictures on xotic.

 

the W series lacks MXM slots. So you wont be able to upgrade your gpu. The P series is going to provide more gpu and it already delivers that with the 675m

Now you understand the less talk about the w series?

 

oh when will we get news about the 7xxxMs?? i'm losing my mind. everyone's out of 6990Ms and no one's heard anything about 79xxMs... what am i supposed to do in this gap?

 

Someone one here preordered a P170EM with Ivy Bridge and a 7970m with an expected shipping date of 3 weeks from yesterday.

The Alienware forum also had someone say something to the equivalent of "quite soon, but can't really say anything so read between the lines".

 

Seems to be based on same tests mentioned earlier.

Nvidia GeForce GTX 680M – najszybszy, mobilny Kepler przetestowany! Gad?etomania.pl

Seems to indicate some details about both new cards, the 680m and 7970m. You have to translate it from polish

It states a pretty massive improvement in performance:

Futuremark Scores
NVIDIA 680M - 4673 (4905 overclocked)
NVIDIA 675M - 3585
ATI 6990M - 3500

the stated improvement of about 30% seems a bit on the high side, but considering the 675M is just a rebadged 580M (which in itself is just a faster 485M), it remains somewhat plausible. It also seems to indicate a TDP for the 680M of 100w, which i believe is roughly the same as the 675M. The 7970M is stated as being substantially lower at 65-70w. Hopefully the 150em line will be capable of upgrading to it.

 

oooh! thank you. i was feeling all panicky and worried. this eases my concerns. hopefully amd's prices will be competitive.

 

I like those numbers. Looking forward to this card.

 

Someone please get me the GPU scores from those 680M tests.

 

What are GPU scores of 7970 and 7990, any pricing speculation? I'm hoping the 7990 is within 10% performance of 680m but for 30% or so less money [like the 6990 was to the 580m].

 

675M is priced reasonably and so is GTX 680. Maybe Nvidia will price the 680M somewhat sanely.

 

I hope so; if it's $100 more than the GTX 675m that'd be great, but realistically I expect $150-200 upgrade cost from GTX 675m.

 

Deviltech.de posted some benchmarks on ntheir facebook page...

 

Desktop 7970.

 

could anyone post those benches here? (for those of us who dont happen to have a fb account )

and whats the case now? desktop or mobile cards? comments seem to jump back and forth here....

cheers