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those are some nice specs just a 10mhz downclock in the core, it should perform quite the same as the 7850, if those are correct

EDIT: didnt saw the shader count.

So yeah its a heavily downclocked 7870 which should still be good, pretty good

 

7970m is 150$ cheaper in the US than the old gtx675m???

Okay, here's whats gonna happen: Im gonna wait until Ivy comes out; then wait until 7970 comes out; wait some more to compare results with gtx680m when it comes out;

Wait for it....

PROFIT!

And order a laptop from the US with a 95% color gamut (no resellers in the EU offer screen upgrades like this).

 

Goldmax.cz does, they offer everything Eurocom offers because they are dealer in EU. They dont have ivy bridge models on website though, says under construction.

 

$150 cheaper?

thats a deal im waiting for

 

You might want to check out my signature.. I can tell that there's a few of resellers in the EU that do indeed offer a 95% color gamut.

Now I do not know where you are from, therefore I'll present the few resellers that do sell w/ a 95% color gamut option

XNB® Computers Danmark, high performance laptops
XNOTEBOOKS® Europe Gaming / Multimedia, CAD/CAM en Office notebooks zelf op maat samenstellen
PC-Konsulten.se
PCSPECIALIST - Custom PCs, Custom Computers, Custom PC, Desktop PC, Custom Built Computers, Gaming PC
PWN PCS - Custom Built Performance and Gaming Laptops

Can't think of any more right now. Again, check my signature

 

Agreed. I remember another review putting the 7850 peak consumption as 98w and the 7870 at 114w; significantly lower numbers than the 6850 and the 6870. If those specs hold true for the 7970M, then it looks to be a pretty big step up from its predecessor (6970M). I'm sure a lot of people will be happy with essentially 85% of Radeon 7870 performance. Another way of putting it for those stuck in the last generation of GPUs, it will be about 80% of GTX 580 performance too.

Time for me to go back to the red team

 

ichime the 7970M appears to be the successor to the 6990M since they are both 100W. 7950M (Likely desktop 7850) will succeed the 6970M. I'd also hold out for the green team offering, it seems based on the 7970M's price AMD is sticking to its throne as the king of cost effectiveness. I'd bet money the 680M will be faster again, but with its typical premium price tag.

 

Now to find out if switchable graphics works with 7970M.
According to AW fthread, it looks like this card may ship when IB NDA is lifted
http://forum.notebookreview.com/ali...coming-speculation-thread-92.html#post8453888

 

$150 cheaper than the 675? The 7970m is supposed to be significantly faster than the 675 isn't it?

If that's the case, I'd be willing to wait for it.
How does AMD graphics switching compare to Optimus?

 

Do we know what different models the 7970m will hit in? It looks like I'll be waiting before grabbing anything.

 

Everything except the P151EM, is likely the answer.

 

If malibal has the 7970 when IB comes out.. I'm sold. Specially if its cheaper than the 675m!

"shut up and take my money!"

 

The 6970M was rated at 100W before the 6990M came out.

 

Source? Always been 75W to my knowledge.

 

100W: AMD?s Radeon HD 6970M : AMD's Mobility Radeon HD 6970 In CrossFire On Eurocom's Panther
75-100W: http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-HD-6970M.43077.0.html

 

This one seems obvious, but is it generally safe to assume that with more powerful cards:

Higher power consumption = hotter computer = louder fan = shorter battery life?

Is it ever worth it to pick a lower card for portability/heat/noise issues? Or is the difference between a 75W card and a 100W card mostly negligible?

 

I too would really like to know the answer to this last question. Since I'll be needing battery life of at least 2 hours, their switching ability and power consumption in that state are paramount.

 

Sager and Dell price their upgrade components differently, so not sure about 150$. But it's gonna be cheaper than the 675M for sure. And faster. If the specs posted by Dell are correct, we are looking at 50%+ bump in performance (~10% shy of the desktop HD 7870).

 

Am I right to calculate it's equal to or beating 6970Ms in Crossfire?

 

Notebookcheck has it listed above 6970m in crossfire.

 

if we go by the 50% yes.

and that would be just dandy.

I have already asked some 7870 owners to do some downclock tests, will post when they deliver it

 

Looking forward to seeing them Mr MM

 

must...resist....to...the...dark....side.... lol

srsly ive been always a green team fan and customer, except for some years...but if 7970m turns to be THAT good, and well ahead of kepler 680m, it might be worth the jump....i only hope it will work in my p150hm.

 

I wonder if they got their info from Eurocom, because I've only seen at 100W when associated with Eurocom somehow. It just doesn't make sense that more SPUs at a higher clock would be rated at the same TDP.

 

Yes, it's supposed to beat the 6970mCF.

Won't beat the 680M.

 

Don't get tempted !! Your 485M is still good and I noticed you finally overvolted it

I think he was meaning ahead of 680M schedule wise I really can't wait to see the 7970M, so many speculations around it it and still a mystery..

 

I'd say its no mystery but a flat out mobile 7850.

 

Not so sure, with an enveloppe of 65-75W and 1536 shaders, hmm one of these statements is wrong, which one ? (pref the 1st one)

If both of them are true, this going to be the new "must-have"

 

The current statement is 1280 shaders, making it a downclocked 7870.

 

lol yeah im happy with my ol' 485m, but i guess an upgrade wont hurt

About the 7970m, its confirmed that it has 1280 shaders and 100w tdp has dell listed, since its available to pre purchase already.

Here you go:

Help Me Choose: Video Cards | Dell

 

Click on the compare side by side tab of that link.

 

Eurocom now offer 660m .... same price as 670m

 

Oh didn't see that, it seems like I'm a bit uninformed

So still about 15% more powerful than the 6990M ! That will be a great card but won't be the 'must-have' I was expecting

edit: I just noticed the clocks: 850mhz for the core - 1200mhz for the memory WOW that means a 30 to 40% performances increase over the 6990M stock - It might be a small beast after all, now wondering if that could overclock well and how the heat is handled...but still 28nm process!

 

It should be around 50%+ more powerful. Just look at the 7870 (desktop) benches and take ~10% off

 

Give Me!!!!

 

my Gosh!!!! 50+ increase in performance would literally mean this might close the gap between laptop and desktop gaming. I wonder how far nvidia's keppler 680m is behind it's desktop cousin.

 

We need to see the 660 before we can even guess

 

50%? Guys, as a person who has been around this forum for many years, such an increase in performance is unrealistic.
In the most optimistic scenario it will be 35%, and in a more realistic scenario it will be 25%.
If a 50% increase in performance at the same TDP was possible, you would see that in Desktop cards, but desktop cards are just 20-30% faster at the same TDP.

 

..... You don't understand what TDP means do you? Oh dear....

At the same clocks a chip can be in a calculator, a desktop, a lampshade, an aircraft carrier, the moon, your left ear and it will perform the same.

 

If the specs posted at Dell.com are correct, - we are looking at the card that beats the HD 7850 and falls 10% shy of the 7870. That means ~22000pts in 3Dmark Vantage GPU, 6000-6200 in 3Dmark11 - > almost 2x performance boost compared to the 6990M. Lol, it's even close to the GTX580 in some benches. And if the 7990M rumors are true and it's a trimmed 7950, - we will be seeing some crazy 50k+ scores in Vantage for CF configs..

As for the TDP stuff, the 7870 is ~130-140w at full load, about 20W higher than the 6850 (6990M based of the HD 6850).

 

The 480M also looked great on paper, but things turned out differently in practice.

Just because it has the shaders and clocks doesn't mean it will give the same performance as a desktop card. I assure you that corners had to be cut in order to fit into the thermal envelope of 100W TDP.

 

What are you going on about? It looked terrible on paper, the clocks were awful and it was cut down to the same level as the GTX465.

The specs can't lie like you are making them out to.

HD5770 and mobility HD5870 perform identically at the same clocks for instance.

 

15% less core clock speed could be very close to 15W less power draw and optimized at 10% less performance. That's the way I see it. And if AMD decided to use full 100W this time around like did Nvidia in 2011, we are looking at one killer GPU . Until the 7990M and 680M

 

So far with all the "leaks" on the mobile AMD front totally invalidated by Dell I wouldn't hold my breath for the still MIA 7890 becoming the 7990M.

 

On paper it looked like it will be much better than the previous generation, in reality it wasn't and that's why Nvidia went 100W.

If you want to be an optimistic believer, fine by mine, but a 50% increase in performance at the same TDP is not realistic.

 

lmao i still love how dell accidentally made the gtx 675M more expensive

 

LOL! twice as fast as the 6990m? Your dreaming.............Ill be impressed if its anywhere near 25%........

 

TDP is a static measure. if the same thing has the same tdp across its many implementations it will deliver the same performance if the TDP is respected.

we still dont know the voltage, so they could have lowered it there as well.

However the safe assumption is that this will be a fast card, how much? We dont know, its basically a guess, not even educated since we dont know how the higher binned cores are, how the arch works underclocked... there are a lot of variables.

Im in the hopeful team waiting for a 6950 level of performance.

 

One of the problems here is that the benchmark scores used in comparison from desktop systems to mobile to calculate "how much faster" are likely including overclocked desktop CPUs and overclocked GPUs as well.

Mobile GPUs will not have 4.5GHz i7s behind them.
Those mobile 7970m's will indeed OC, but it wont be to the same degree as their desktop counterparts.

I have little doubt that if AMD delivers on the specs Dell is listing that it will indeed perform GPU-wise like the desktop counterpart. Quite frankly, almost all of the recent mobile GPUs have indeed been able to meet (or get close to) their desktop counterpart in apples-for-apples GPU performance.

However, due to heat and space restrictions the laptop provides, the desktop comparisons will likely end up being on the lower end than the higher end of the spectrum.

People wanting something so badly last time led to unrealistic numbers for the 6990m and how it was going to beat the 580m by 42832732832%. it didn't.

I will be happy to be wrong here, but I am convinced 50% better than current mobile products is just too much to realistically ask. DOUBLE the 6990m is just plain fanboi over-hype.