Update on Radeon 7970m (Sager/Resellers)

Wouldn't this basically be the same for any card? Maybe not if you're running the latest card SLI/Xfire but still, you can't really futureproof.

 

It's so lame because the only two games I like are Crysis 2 & Battlefield 3 and they both struggle @ 1920x1080 all ultra. All other games are getting 60+ future proof fps's. (Except Metro but that game is sh!t anyways.) Computer Games on Laptop Graphic Cards - Notebookcheck.net Tech
Then I want to play GTA V & Crysis 3 in the future. I don't know what this card is gonna give me. I don't know if I should wait for 7990M

 

Typically there are a couple settings that are resource hogs than can be decreased without much if any noticeable impact on image quality.

 

Yeah I know but still. If I can just set everything on Ultra and play without lag that would be laptop gamers's wetdream.

 

The 7990m has not even been announced. Nobody knows how long that wait can be. If you are getting a laptop now then the 7970m is the best choice. In case you want you can probably wait a few months and see the developments in the GTX680m and then decide.

Most of them in these forums upgrade their GPU's once there is a considerable performance decrease in their older GPU's or once there is a considerable performance increase in the newer cards.

Also the 7970m can run Crysis 2 at Ultra and deliver 54 fps!! Also BF3 on a stock card runs at 35 fps. I had a user run BF3 at Ultra and he said he got an average of 45 fps. The minumum it reached was 35 in certain areas.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...isable-enduro-7970m-clevo-p150em-170em-7.html

With a little bit of OC'ing by following SlickDude80's overclocking guide I am sure you can get marginal improvement.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/ali...-mobility-7970-m17x-r3-illustrated-guide.html

Honestly what more do you need?

More or less. But the number of years this card will last will probably not be the same as the previous cards bcoz we did not see such a huge increase in performance for quite some time in the mobile GPU's. The 7970m is a huge leap from the 6990m.

 

...or if there's even a 7990m coming. They came out pretty strong with the 7970m in terms of performance, and I don't think they really need a 7990m to be the top dog this time around unless Nvidia releases a 685m.

 

I feel that there's a trend toward less-demanding games anyway. I hope GTAV isn't the resource hog that GTAIV was. Skyrim and ME3 got it right with their lower requirements... I remember Oblivion was a resource monster when it came out and ME1 runs worse than ME2/ME3 do. Hopefully developers realize that they have to optimize their games if they want to hit the large audiences.

 

I don't think that is true. Compare the 3D Mark Vantage and 06 results of the AMD flagships for the past 3 years going back to the 4870. The leaps are similar. In fact, the 6990 and the 5870 leap was much higher than the 6990 and the 7970. The same goes for nv products. I was thinking the same thing, that this is a groundbreaking thing in GPUs and all until I went back and compared the results. You can choose any example, or all if you want, but look at Metro 2033 fps for the last three GPUs. The jump from the 5000 series tot he 6000 series was actually higher than the 7000 series. That being said, the 7970m IS way way better than the 6990m

 

lol, UPS said my package arrived in my state 2 hours away from my house at 7 AM, but it won't arrive at my house until the tomorrow?

It'll take 2 days to go from CA to the east coast, and the same amount of time to travel 2 hours to my house?

 

You have to keep in mind that 3D Mark Vantage and 06 are not for measuring DirectX 11 performance. You'd really be wanting to compare newer benchmarks if you're hoping to be able to play future games. While you can also debate the accuracy of these numbers as well, Passmark's G3D Mark (here: PassMark Software - Video Card Benchmarks - High End Video Cards) shows that 7970m is the 7th best video card overall (including desktop GPUs). There aren't any other mobile GPUs even in the top 30.

There has never been a mobile video card that performs so similarly to high-end desktop GPUs. The gap between mobile and desktop GPUs has never been this close. With the weak benchmarks for the GTX 680M ES samples, AMD has no reason to release a 7990m. I would not be surprised if the 7970m is still the fastest mobile GPU until next year's models are announced.

 

The delivery trucks for residential deliveries in my area are usually loaded up in the twilight hours and spend the whole day emptying the trucks. So, your package would need to be there really, really, really early in the morning to be delivered that day.

So, they'll likely process your package and get it to the local delivery center sometime today. But, it's already too late for today even if it got there at 9AM without any processing delays. For any extraordinary service, you'd need to pony up.

 

Damn, lol i have like 3 tests and a couple of oral presentations to barge through tomorrow then, to survive

ah, at least it's also the same day my mousepad arrives. it'll be more suitable.

 

Skyrim uses the same ancient over worked long overdue for replacement Gambyro engine Oblivion used along with all the Fallout games. It is hardly a measure of modern performance, other then how much newer hardware can extend the life of old software.

Skyrim also was released with the same crappy 512x512k texures of Oblivion due to console resources. Even their so called HD pack was mostly only 1024x512k textures. I run player mods that bring alot of it up to 2048x2048, as I did with Oblivion with Qarl's mod. But PC version shoudl have been 20468c2048 on release, I do not own some crappy box under my TV.

Skrim also took the engine several steps back, eyefinity ran awesome in Oblivion, where with Skyrim you need massive hack injection.

Great game, on a disappointing engine. Typical Bethseda, gotta wait 3yrs after release for the players to make the game worth it. Shame Betrhseda pockets all the cash, for a job kinda ok done.

However Bethseda just about tops the game company market on writing, if only they could bring up the rest a bit.

 

Hm has AMD even released official 7970m drivers yet? I read on another forum that the packaged drivers are for the 6000 series cards. An official update should boost performance.

 

The stock drivers are all we have right now. No updates yet.

 

To put a SSD in the Clevo P170EM with 7970m. Is 120GB Kingston HyperX better or Intel's 520?

 

The HyperX is slightly faster.

 

edit: scratch this

 

hi guy I just receive my unit today. If anybody has any question, I will try to answer

 

grrr... i'm getting my lappy tomorrow, i guess it's worth to record SC2 maxed out 4v4 w/ fraps just to see the CPU/GPU power of the 7970M/3610QM. I'll do that once I get my laptop all set up, along with a first impressions review.

 

Ok guys! I just did a quick furmark GPU benchmark... stress test... thing.



Can y'all tell me if this is good or bad or... what? >_<

 

Take the time to gather together utilities, new drivers, and programs you want to install today. It saves a lot of time for when it actually comes. I usually DL and/or my Steam and Origin games onto an external drive in preparation as well.

 

already did that, i have a ninite installer configured to install all the little apps and i have sc2 cd and win7 cd ready to go.

I'm not going to be able to sleep tonight at all, lol.

 

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Yeah but there are no '11 scores on the 4000 series I could find. I don't know. These scores mean little to me. I mean sure higher is better but look at the fps. On an average, almost EVERY game out there has the exact same jump in fps when using the high end GPUs of each generation. Anyways, this has been going to the side a lot. Sorry about that. Anyone have any updates?

 

But who is more reliable??? Kingston HyperX or Intel 520? 120GB version.

 

The Kingston drives are new so they dont have a track record to really say how reliable the SSD's are. Intel has been making them a long time and have had a great record. Either would be good but i'd go with Intel

 

if you have a spare 4gb usb flash on hand you should turn it into your win7 installation disk now. it will make your win7 installation much faster then running it from CD tomorrow every second counts no?

and if you have a bigger flash you can even toss on the drivers and apps with unattended install.

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I somewhat agree.. Intel might be the better choice.

The HyperX is faster, the Intel has "better" firmware.

They both run on Sandforce and ... they've got quite the reputation haha

 

The 4000 series cards are not DirectX 11 compliant, so they can't run 3DMark 11. The reason so many people are excited for the 7970m is that it can actually run virtually all modern games at 1920x1080 on the highest graphics setting using a single card. In the past, gaming on high settings at 1080 required dual mobile GPUs since they were only as powerful as mid-level desktop GPUs of the time. The 7970m finally allows there to be a 15" laptop that can game at 1080p without much compromise (if any). In the past you would have to lower the resolution or quality to achieve acceptable framerate. The GTX 675M/580M (which is the second-best mobile card at this time) gets 24 fps in Battlefield 3 on ultra settings.

 

Other than the shadows, there is nothing disappointing about Skyrim's graphics engine. Gamebryo may run a few things in the game still but the renderer was completely re-written and modernized from the ground up, the graphics you see have nothing what-so-ever to do with Morrowind or Oblivion.

 

Can i still order the amd7970m np9170 on xoticpc? Or r they still on recall? Also how long before they ship?

 

The NP9170 with the 7970M was never on recall, only temporarily unavailable. You can still order your laptop with the 7970M and you may want to get in line now if you really want one.

Currently, the estimated time frame for the next batch to be shipped out is around June 8-12 time frame but this is subject to change depending on Sager and AMD.

 

Hi,

I'm just new here at the forums and I've been following this thread maybe for a week now. I just a have a question about my orders. I ordered a Sager NP9170 from exotic with 7970m last May 22. I just want to know if I'll be getting mine in the 2nd batch of 7970m.

And if I want to make some changes to my order what should I do? I read the FAQ to fill up a form, I did that and I also emailed Kaitlyn about it. Or should I call them?

 

LOTS of orders in front of you mate. Very doubtful you will be part of the next batch of orders, but nobody likely can say for sure.

Unless we have a friendly XOTIC PC rep who can state otherwise.....

 

I know that it's a big possibility that I might not be in the next batch cause I've seen some of the post here saying that they ordered way before me. The reason I asked cause my order is on Phase 2 just this morning.

 

It moves to phase 2 once your payment clears, but that doesn't mean it's being assembled if you are waiting on a 7970m.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I777 using Tapatalk 2

 

can anyone dump clevo hd 7970m vbios?
thanks

 

Can i still order the amd7970m np9170 on xoticpc? Or r they still on recall? Also how long before they ship?

 

You asked that same question not even 10 posts back and got your answer already.

 

All that already have the 7970M and those who have ordered the 7970M, and not yet received it, should read the below link posted today...

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/568309-official-sager-news-thread-updated-03-august-11-a.html#post8564613

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Xotic answered this in a different thread, it's because before the delay the first 2 shipments were expected to arrive so close together that it wouldn't make a difference in arrival time which one you were in, so they just allocated you randomly. People who ordered after the delay can't get anything from the first shipment, though.

Is it mine?
Actually, I spent a while messing around with configurators and I got a P150EM config that would be cheaper with you than with Xotic (by ~$10) after Xotic's 3% off.

That screen is also one of the bigger factors holding me here. Not unless AW brings back the 1920x1200RGB screen.

Every time I order anything expensive (+$200) Mr. UPS man just leaves it here, even if nobody's home.

All the people who bailed due to rumors are not worthy of owning Clevo's.

I thought we already established that it does not cause a performance loss in Clevo's...

Are you referring to plot writing or dialogue?

The 510 runs on an intel controller though, it's the most reliable SSD I know of, though it may be slow by sandforce standards.

Sigh... Again, they never were recalled.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...hread-updated-03-august-11-a.html#post8564613

Finally some real info about what really happened with the 2nd batch of 7970m. Only 20% were defected but i completely support their decision on holding on to that 80% "working" cards to really get down to the cause of the unwanted failure rate. I just hope the production hold will not be delayed any longer than July 11th.

 

All Intel SSDs use their own custom firmware that has gone through their own validation regardless of chip used (notice how slow they released the sandforce, that was testing time).

Strange, I wonder what corners they cut on the PCB layout that gets them into so much trouble since no one else with AMD/Nvidia had any issues. Even those who never added 6970M let alone 7970M support officially.

 

He mentioned the 520.
The 520 runs on a SandForce controller

 

PM your order number to Justin@Xoticpc and I am sure he will be able to help you out with it.

 

clevo hd 7970m vbios please

 

Still no new info regarding more 7970m's coming through? This is killin' me!

 

[SUPPORT]Me too, buddy![/SUPPORT]

 

I salute your patience! The 7970m will definitely be worth the wait.

I think it's the not knowing that's starting to get to me. My deadline is 06/18, and if I can't have a build w/ the 7970m by that date, then I have to switch back to the 675m. I just want to make the call one way or another.

 

I dont have a fixed date on when I need the laptop but mid June would be perfect. My friend in the US wants to game on it for a while before bringing it to India in mid July. Hopefully he can test out the laptop well for around 2-3 weeks and eliminate any possible doubts of its condition. Sure it does pass through Clevo and Sager inspection. Still noting quite like Skyrim/Witcher II on ultra for 2-3 weeks right!!