Upgrade MXM or wait for new 1000 series cards?

Would a 1080m fit in.my sm-a as rumored?

 

This is my understanding so far.

Ideally it should. But apparently Nvidia haven't given vendors MXM specifications.
So if the vendors are sensible they'll follow on from previous years then it's game on. Otherwise we might see more proprietary junk infest what little open-ness we have.

 

a 1080M will respect all the characteristics needed to fit a laptop barebone that use to handle a 980M, exactly like a 980M was designed to fit in the same barebone as a 880M etc. That's for sure.

Now Pascal consume less, and we saw with the Kepler => Maxwell jump, slimmer laptops handling the x80M card, I don't see why we wouldn't see that progress with the Maxwell => Pascal jump .

 

Nothing is ever guaranteed, always best to wait and see. Physical compatibility and firmware wise too.

 

Yeah i have a single 980m in my p377sm-a so im waiting on results, or who knows amd could release a crossfire setup that would be cheaper than a single card and preform about the same.

 

While I sincerely hope so for the sake of competition, I have had excruciating experiences with crossfire and AMD's drivers (had 6970M CF before).

 

Hopefully they do come out with some new GPUs for laptops. I think a lot of us would like to see products from them again. I would think a few years more experience that if a crossfire solution comes out, that it would work a bit better.

 

A nice strong single card offering would be the first thing to look for to see a return, I don't see that happening at the moment.

 

WIth recent reports of RX 480 damaging PCIe connector due to excessive power draw, I also dont see any chances of this happening soon.

 

An MXM board would be a totally different design to the desktop one.

 

while i will say that cooling needs to be considered before pushing the new cards. i have mine currently on bottle caps.

 

As I advised previously, this is not a given - I would not advise assuming that a next gen card will be compatible with current gen platforms.

 

Assumptions are always dangerous with MXM modules at the best of times.

 

As he said. Not with all current Clevo barebones. I think only with two actually models

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We have the N17E-G2 (1070 mobile) and the G3 in a few weeks.

Wonder who wants to start testing these MXM 3.1 ( 3.0B commonly called) cards.



So far they have not worked in any Alienware's we've tested. But Clevo's are different , right ?

(Could also be missing drivers from nVidia...)

 

Good news brother.
I'll happily test for you if you wanna send me one for a while

You'd be in pretty safe hands sending one to @Mr. Fox if he has time. I'd also like to see if we could get one to @Prema if he doesn't have one for testing already and we can perhaps all chip in a little for his time of he's got to break out the code.

 

Looks like there is the first bit of news of a laptop with pascal!

http://videocardz.com/61927/asus-rog-g752vs-features-geforce-gtx-1070-for-notebooks

http://laptopmedia.com/highlights/f...070-laptop-asus-rog-g752vs-coming-mid-august/

Full 1070 ?? No "m" prefix?



Are we seeing the first generation in which the nomenclature in which the mobile and desktop have the same respective model numbers?

This could be exciting! Just waiting/hoping for specs and format (MXM!) and compatibility with older laptops!

 

I would love to test the 1070!! but but... it would be only with my p150em/p370em/p150hm . . .

 

The issue is they're bigger, like those DT cards. But, I wonder what can be done. The ones being tested seen right now are mechanically larger, but I beg to think they might be the same electrically.

The real news is it's weeks away from knowing whats possible rather then months away.

However, it does seem like 980M might be the best 100-125W normal size MXM 3.0B card there is. Luckily for newer Clevo's and MSI (same thing) are I think they can fit or were intended to fit these.

Anyways that would be why there is no "M" nomenlature as @anassa said.

If this remains, and doesn;t change then, we're basically seeing the year laptops ARE as powerful as Desktops. Guess then the natural evolution for laptops will follow what desktops did next. Modularity, and customization and cooling options.

 

So you're saying the bigger MXM designs (eg 980 Mobile) are what you're seeing. Interesting. Hopefully they haven't been blocked to run on specific machines.
Have your crew tested in on a Clevo yet? If not get one out to one of the boyz.

 

They're testing now, just I'm not given much more to say publicly. However - we have them , which is the real news. I haven't compared sizes to know if it's 100% exactly the same as the 980 DT was, but I am assuming it is. I also have no idea if it needs external power/aux. power like the 980DT did too.

I just hope they make the regular form factor MXM 3.0B as well.

There is also a 1060 - N17E-G1 or such, but I haven't seen any info on it, I think it's only 75-85W which would make me think it could be MXM 3.0B usual size without any issues, if they wanted to do that. So there really is no excuses.

It's just NVIdia is not doing the reference designs for them anymore. We knew this for almost a year, since the 980DT was released. NVidia wants things to be thier new way, because they are losing ground surely but slowly to AMD. Just can't compete with them mass scale for consoles and mobile (tablets/phones etc..).

 

Wait is this in stuff like the M17x R4, AW17/18? If so, they should be able to fit in the P771ZM's slot correct?

According to @Mr Najsman's posts on these cards, they have a slight notch at the end however looking at his pictures, that notch should still allow the card to fit in the standard MXM slot..

I would personally love to test one of these cards so count me in

Probably will buy one too lol, since my 970M is becoming too old now

 

A lack of a reference design could lead to very "interesting" results. It will have to be a wait and see.

 

Slowly Woodzstack is still NDA

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In my case which I have the MSI GT72S 6QF with the desktop 980, with this new information, I should be able to upgrade to the 1070/1080 right?

 

So it is more or less confirmed that that Nvidia is done with reference MXM cards and it will be upto ODMs to establish what kind if cards (Standard MXM, Custom MXM or anything else) they want. So for now even if some ODMs manage to stick with standard MXM, it wont last long. We will end up having a BGA chip on custom PCB.
RIP MXM it was nice knowing you.

 

Errrrr. double post. Mods pls delete.

 

what are the odds of the new 1070/1080 working in a p170em?

 

I'd say poor for any new cards out of the box but it's unknown at this point.

 

Until of course the 980Ti/Titan P come out. Then also you have 6/8/10 core desktop CPUs as well.

 

I'm hopeful there will be upgrade options yet for this beast. The next revision looked as if it was basically just a 120hz screen on offer. Speculation but it didn't appear there was any redesign - of course it doesn't really need to be redesigned yet so I'm guessing Clevo would opt to choose the path of least resistance rather than go back to the drawing board if it's not necessary . So perhaps what ever GPU's go in the refresh should also play ball with the existing model.

 

You always get some subtle changes, no assumptions can be made at this point.

 

120hz or 4k with g-sync

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Yes but.... in terms of gpu compatibility..anything changed?

 

If anything maybe the heatsinks but other than that, the body looks identical so we should be good to go. Of course they're all assumptions until the product is released.

 

any update?

 

There was finally an announcement, to give a date for the announcement, at least for MSI, just ahead of the the show announcements on or around the 19th.

2016 AUGUST 15th,21:00(PST) ALTER YOU(R) REALITY
NEXT GENERATION MSI GAMING NOTEBOOKS COMING SOON
https://gaming.msi.com/promotion/alter-your-reality

 

I sure do hope MSI has some 1080 SLI GPUs that will fit in my beast since Clevo dropped the ball with a proprietary new design.

 

I'm sure it's high on MSI's priority list, providing GPU's to other brand customers

The 1080 SLI upgrade kits might only be available to MSI authorized dealers for the purpose of upgrades to the GT80S 980 SLI series at first, to satisfy upgrade demand for MSI customers.

The 1080 single upgrade kits for GT72S 980 customers would be up there in the priorities too.

Sometime later, eventually, the MXM cards would be available as parts for replacement, and that would be when anyone could order them.

Why not buy a GT80S 980 SLI used now, and then you can order the upgrade and part out the 1080's?

Probably cheaper than buying a GT83 with 1080 SLI and parting it out, or paying single MXM prices later as parts.

 

Well, that is certainly an option. At first blush it sounds like way too much hassle just to get a couple of GPUs. I wouldn't have any use for the leftover laptop. I guess if I could buy it used for the same price as just a pair of GPUs that would not matter. I could dismantle it and sell the unwanted parts on eBay.

I think I have a connection that can get them (assuming they will fit, as the 180W 980 does) even if MSI doesn't make them available directly for upgrading other brands of notebooks. Even if I could get them today I would still want to wait to see how 1080 SLI stacks up against my 980 SLI benchmarks. I don't certain do not want to live the kind of nightmare that 880M early adopters had to suffer through.

 

will a 1080 fit in and replace a 980m??

 

Nope. It's a replacement for the 980D. 1070 should fit the bill for a 980m replacement.

 

Do you mean both the 1080 and 1080m won't fit the mxm spot or just the 1080. If 1070m sli can get me 60 fps 4k that would be wonderful. I have a desktop and use 2 1080 in sli and the 4k resolution is wonderful. I'm trying to decide if i'll see a significant increase in performance to make it worth wild to upgrade my p377sm-a to a 4k display

 

There will be no 1080M according to rumors...

It will be

1080 (2560 cores) desktop > replaces 980 desktop (2048 cores) non-standard mxm

1070 (2048 cores) desktop > replaces 980M (1536 cores) mxm 3.0b

1060 (1280 cores) desktop > replaces 970M (1280 cores) mxm 3.0b

 

I am wondering what will fit in replace of the 980m myself it looks like I will have to wait to see myself having a np9377sm-a with SLI I can wait a while til I need to upgrade but I was just curious if its true the 1070 replaces the 980m that is still a great upgrade imo....but would be nice to have the 1080....

 

Unlikely, from what I understand it was hard even getting kits for MSI models last gen, and if the form factor's even a little different the heatsink may not fit.

 

Wait, the 1070 will be MXM 3.0b and not some sort of proprietary design? I thought it was reported that it wouldn't be? That is great news if it is MXM 3.0b compatible, that means MXM isn't quite dead yet. Or perhaps I missunderstood your post.

 

Nothing is clear on that front yet.

 

It will fit in some Clevo laptops and some MSI laptops but will not be exactly mxm 3.0b size.

This is all based off of rumors still and everyone should wait until the official release.

 

The MSI 1070 should fit in the P750DM as it is a @Prema rumour and he can't be wrong on that ...

I would expect it to fit in the P770DM and likewise, P750/770ZM too..

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