W230SS Drivers and Manual Loaded on Clevo Website

Holy Cannoli HT, you forrealz with the battery life? I'm definitely grabbing a w230ss in the future then. But imma wait for the glossy 1800p display, are you?

 

Ordered mine yesterday! I went with the 1080P display - that's because 1366 X 768 looked gorgeous on an 11.6" HP Pavilion X2, so 1080P should look just fine on a 13.3". Unless you are in the habit of sticking your face against the screen, ha!

 

lolz

 

Depends on personal preference. I do wish the pixel density could be higher. I'll probably use the 1440p with 1.0 scaling.

 

I'm a bit torn between the two high-res panel options, the 2560x1440 has a massive contrast ratio, a little bit more colour space and none of that pentile rubbish, but at the same time I could run the 3200x1800 panel at whatever resolution I want and it would always look fairly good, even if it is a worse panel. I guess the measure should be my W110ER where I went from the terrible TN to the fairly good IPS screen and noticed... Well, mainly more vivid colours and to some degree the contrast when I was using text editors with black backgrounds... A conundrum indeed

 

An early implementation of oculus rift lol.

 

I'm surprised by the fascination with such high res screens on such a little laptop. I would have thought a 1080p would be more than enough. I only updated my desktop to a 27" 1920x1080 recently because I'd rather have the jaggoes on a diagonal line than motion blur and screen lag. Are the laptop panals so much faster now to allow this resolution? I figured laptopnpanels would be lag behind their desktop brethren by a wide margin. I know I always liked at comp parts from a gamer point of view but even a multimedia user would rather have the faster response times no?

 

Higher resolutions are definitely nice for (some) games, and I guess graphic work of any kind.
But those GPU aren't able yet to manage such resolution with recent games, so there's no real point to me.

 

To expand on that, playing a game at 1280x720 with 4 times anti aliasing (msaa not fxaa) is roughly equivalent to playing at 2560x1440 with no anti aliasing (internally that's what MSAA does, run at a high resolution and downscale). For the 3200x1800 screen your measure is 1600x900 with 4x MSAA. Off the top of my head this means probably no battlefield 4 at native, but TF2, dota 2, anything racing, there should be no problems. Since my current games are EVE Online, CS:GO etc I would have no problems (but I do have problems with origin so no battlefield for now )

*edit* oh and the benefits of running games at native instead of these lower resolutions? More detail, you'll see the turn from further away or see that person shooting at you. Simple as that.

 

MSAA and SSAA are not the same thing.

Even with 900p MSAA, you'd better stick to EVE Online, CS:GO and TF2 if you want to max-out (or near max-out) the graphics.

 

Whoops, you're completely correct, I guess I've just never seen SSAA in use because it's apparently needlessly heavy. Ah well, 1600x900 in games that won't run at native should still look good enough for it to not be a problem is my thinking.

 

i wouldn't recommend the 3200 screen, you think Pentile cant be that bad. Trust me I had a pentile phone the colour reproduction will be noticeable on so many levels regardless of resolution.

From here Testing: Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro Ultrabook - Tested

Seems the colour reproduction isnt the best on yellows so GG skin tones etc. Also seems its stupidly glossy and not as bright.

 

You end up running on to compression lag on a screen with a 3200x1600 even if you run it at 16x9 though don't you? The panel itself has to refresh all the pixels no matter what. I guess I'd have to see on of those panels in action.

 

Dear god those yellows... my last pentile was a samsung OLED screen so I didn't notice this because of the extreme over-saturation. Thing is though I've just done some fuzzy comparisons, viewing my 27" 2560x1440 monitor from far enough away to simulate a 13.3" one at laptop viewing distances, and you can read text easily which makes me think maybe there's some capacity left in my eyesight for using higher resolutions at native. I guess I'll just have to view both screens first hand to see, this isn't really the sort of thing that can be solved like this.

 

But if the controller fetches just enough lines for interpolation, it would still update with almost no delay.

 

I posted the links I'm referencing to before, from the user perspective and delta mesures the 1800p screen seems "bad", while the 1440p seems nice, but the GPU already struggles on some games on full-hd (that is without any anti-aliasing), so I really don't see the point, I'd rather have a better full-hd experience.

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/r1e5zwvbppa9ipa/Screenshot 2014-03-17 11.11.34.png

Now do you see the point? 1080p on the right, 2560x1440 on the left. If you're okay using it without scaling you get so much more on a screen which is helpful for programming, multitasking, various things. In video games you should be able to make out a bit more detail. I'm still gonna have to go see the 3200x1800 in person though to see if the yellows and pentile bother me, because there's some nice potential there.

 

Well for gaming you would use 1600x900 which is a good partner to the 860m.

 

Nop, still don't.
Come on now, it's a 13", I'm already not okay using it without scaling in 1080p.... If you've got falcon eyes, good for you, but try to keep it that way
You want more room for your toolboxes and 2nd apps ? Get an external screen, you'd have better spent your bucks and you'll be more productive than working on a 13" screen the nose sticked on it.

 

I'm assuming the i7-4810qm's price of just being $35 above the i7-4700mq is a limited time offer sale?

 

It is limited, as with most Sager sales they do not give us a date it will end. They'll just tell us its over and we'll have to remove it that day.

 

Alright, point taken, not everyone has falcon eyes (I'm young and see an optician regularly, put it down to that ) It's definitely a matter of personal preference though, a second screen isn't an option in a busy lecture theatre but fitting more on-screen is always helpful, so the choices are this laptop or a 15" where I lose some of the portability and GPU power.

 

One last question, what is your return policy for customized laptops?

 

30days starting from the day it ships out, full refund back minus shipping costs. There are some exclusions though like if you get a custom wrap or etching, somethings like that are non refundable. If you PM me your full build I'll be happy to check it out to see if there would be anything like that.

 

This might save people some time, the 2560x1440 panel is apparently the same one used in this laptop: Review Acer Aspire S7-392 Ultrabook - NotebookCheck.net Reviews

TL;DR, glossy, brightness about 300mcd/m^2 with some deviation, dark blacks though so a contrast ratio of 1600:1. Pixel density rougly the same as a 15" macbook pro retina if you want to test it in person.

 

Hm... I just realized I'm going to have to wait until around mid-late summer.

I don't want to deal with a potential laptop problem when I'm busy with college. I'm also volunteering abroad during May and June, and I won't bring a laptop with me because there's no internet access.

I'll have time on July and August to tinker with the laptop though (replace HDD with SSD, instal Perma BIOS mod to do some undervolting, installing Classic Shell with Windows 8, etc).

My N61Jq laptop's Radeon 5730m GPU is already starting to go bad. During the winter I had to reduce the GPU overclock from 860 mhz down to 760 mhz. Memory overclock was also reduced from 900 mhz to 850 mhz.

If I go 3 mhz over the 760 mhz GPU or 850 mhz memory, then Furmark crashes within 10 minutes.

(5730m stock setting was 650 mhz GPU and 800 mhz memory)

 

Matte screen protectors should help.

Wat?

 

I guess the 15" option he has is not as powerful.

 

Question guys, is the 1800p panel on the W230SS touchscreen or just a regular IPS Glossy Panel? I think the GTX 860m Maxwell paired with the IPS 1080p panel is the perfect combination.

 

Not touch.

 

Mmhmm, best 15" machines with high-res screens I can think of that're still portable... dell xps 15, macbook pro retina, they have 750Ms. MSI's current offerings are nice but at 3.5KG aren't really comparable.

 

2,6kg by MSI with 860M, can't remember the model name
Lenovo Y50 860M
Razer blade 860M / 870M
Gigabyte P34R 860M if I remember well
Clevo P151SM-A, 870M / 880M
and the list can be continued.

 

To cool a powerful card requires the metal for the heatsink.

 

New W230SS/Sager NP7338 Owner's Lounge thread started [ link].

 

Hey guys, I have to ask this important question. How exactly is W230SS giving that extra 1.5-2hrs of battery compared to the W230ST when both have the same 62wh battery, same chassis. I know you guys are going to say because of the new tech Maxwell gpu but this one is using optimus, so most of the time it'll run on integrated gpu.

How is Maxwell gpu suppose to influence and improve battery life when only doing productivity work like ms word, or web browsing etc??? How and where is the W230SS getting the extra 1.5-2hrs battery from when only using the intel hd graphics?

 

One of the other benifits of the new gpu is being tied to nvidia's new battery life extender program which i believe helps optimize gpu and cpu during batgery gaming. Also the 230st kept both gpus on even though one was at idle. Im assuming it would be fixed with a bios update but im not sure it was so not. If not they might have that setup in the new 230ss. We'd need on of the 230st gurus to say for sure...

 

All Optimus/Enduro dGPU's are in a deep sleep state when not used. You can't turn it complete off.

 

Yes and no, you're right that that's the ideal situation with graphics switching, but dodgy drivers and bioses can cause the GPU to come out of sleep state for no real reason. My best guess is they fixed that. More we cannot say until they ship but it will be interesting to see what you can get out of it with tweaks, cpu and gpu voltage drops, enabling full core parking etc I'm not expecting miracles but if it can reliably hit 4-5 hours Web browsing that's fine by me me

 

Improvements to other power management in the system can have a large impact when at idle.

 

The 870M in the new Blade is MXM right? Just dreaming, but really want to see Clevo offering a ultra portable MXM when the big Maxwell die comes out.

 

No mxm lol, mobo, card, heatsink sandwich is too think. I'd have an in plane card sitting in a cut out myself but that's just me.

 

The 870m in the razer is not mxm. Its soddered on board and its based on the kepler chip not maxwell. It was one of the reasons i went with the w230ss. The 870m in the razer is also 100w tdp instead of the 75w tdp of the 765m that the 2013 version had. The 860m 4gb mxm card is also a kepler based chip. It should give roughly the same performance as the maxwell based 860m but uses more power 75tdp instead of 50. I wouldnt worry though. Once nvidia does a die shrink to 20nm im sure there will be plenty of maxwell based mxm cards. I just dont think they'll be out till 3rd or 4th quarter

 

4th quarter for those.

 

Where can i get the driver for ACPI , ( ACPI\INT340F\2&DABA3FF&2 )

it says its unknown device