W230ST - The 13" We've been waiting for!?

need to bring an emoticon from another forum I visit to describe my thoughts for this:

 

@vr4racer: lol, were not even close to an official announcement yet, so details like that are anybody´s guess at best at this moment in time

 

Yes, looks like it will have serious competition from the 14" asus though so clevo needs their A game on this one.

 

I would hope so. That Asus 14" is like an Alienware 14". It's practically a 15". It's 1" less wide than a Clevo 15", but a bit deeper and as thick as a Clevo 15", and it's only got a 1366x768 screen, 660m and dual core i5 in it. That's basically the W110ER. I really hope they manage to fit a 760m in the Clevo 13", basically a 670mx, please. The 670mx/670m is considered a 75W TDP card, so if they can improve on that with the 760m down to 60-65W it would be possible I think. Plus maybe there will be a couple 35W Hawell quad cores to choose from that are actually 35W.

 

I actually dig the look of Alienware and Asus ROG laptops. I love Alienware except their price, and RoG's just don't have as much oomph (reading comments from their community mods it sounds like they acknowledge that people want beefier machines but they design on a balance of price/performance/battery)... Anyway, related back to the thread I'm really curious to see the new "flashier" design of the P series refresh, wonder if the design of the 13" chassis will be based on that, the current chasis style, or something new.

 

Is there any more info on this? a quick google search just finds a bunch of threads referencing each other.

 

That's because nothing official has been released yet. Still probably need until mid May before we see anything concrete. So sit back, relax, have a relaxing beverage of your choice, and check back in a bit over two months.

 

info on the W230ST fresh from Cebit: Google Translate

heres the picture gallery: http://www.notebookinfo.de/artikel-...ozessoren-und-nvidia-geforce-gtx-grafik/3337/

looks pretty sleek to me and i especially like the FHD matte display too bad theyre not showing both sides of the machine, so we could tell if it actually has an optical drive or not. but doesnt look like it does, does it?

 

Grrr.... I can only view the first photo in the gallery the rest are broken... but that does look like the new flashier chassis (on the P375SM).... I do like the look to it. Don't suppose anyone is able to get the photos from the rest of the gallery.

Also, as I don't want to get anyone's hopes up, the article mentions that the W230ST will have a GTX card in it... so, if true and not an error, we're looking at a possible GTX 760M.

 

lemme see what i can do

P375SM

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W230ST

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Awesome, thank you... wish they got some more shots of the the other side of the W230ST and the back to see what the exhaust setup is going to be. All in all, it looks rather pleasing. I share your concern that there might be an optical drive hiding on the other side, since I can see 3 USB ports on the one picture.

The P375SM definately has some Asus RoG look to it than MSI in my opinion.

 

yep, ure right, i mixed those up @RoG vs. MSI

 

now I am even more in love with it. hope xoticPC caries it and can "stealth wrap" it. it will look just like my m11x

 

I'd trade an optical drive for a larger battery

 

nah, u can get battery life with an ultrabook, this is for gamers! i want moah powah!

 

yea not worried about battery more worried if it has a dual fan design or not.

 

dual fan is highly doubtful in such a form factor. one larger fan would be preferable to two really small ones (as they would have to be in order to both fit in there), causing lots of shrieking noise when ramped up. although meaker mentioned the 13" acer aspire series having had a dual fan setup...hmmm

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In either case with Optimus battery life should be 4-5 hours anyhow if it's a 62WHr battery at least. Having an optional 82WHr battery or something would be a nice option. Single fan would be nice and considering the 13" will likely be the case. Less power, less noise. As long as CPU + GPU TDP is reasonable one fan should be sufficient. That said, I really hope (for the millionth time) that it's something more powerful than the 660m (i.e. 750m). For 1080p screen, we need 192-bit GPU minimum. 760m as a more efficient 670mx would be awesome.

 

they wouldnt need to sacrifice internal space for a larger battery, just offer an optional uber battery with the shape of a laptop stand, raising the back of the machine and thus offering both an improved airflow and a nice angle to type

my gf's 13" dell is equipped with such a battery, pretty neat, practical and doesnt get in the way at all!

best of both worlds imho

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Yeah, I had an HP with a 9-cell battery like that. It works out great. Wouldn't mind that option either, but not likely from Clevo. Usually it's one battery and that's it. W230st from that CEBIT image looks decent just doesn't look like a backlit keyboard. Then again it likely isn't final spec.

 

In regards to cooling system: Betting it is a single fan setup with a cooling system similiar to the current 11" or MSI models (again, kills me that there isn't a shot of the back end of the system to at least guess).

In regards to battery: Should just be enough to keep your system on while you find a power outlet to plug it in. If you are focused on battery life, get an ultrabook... once you start using a I7 and/or GTX (if they do use a 760M) card in a system, battery life isn't a concern anymore... 3DMark and Temperature is.

 

The original Acer 13" with an HD5650 had a dual cooling fan and was quite competent at the time. It's certainly possible.

 

Interesting that they are sticking with a single HDMI output with no DP on the 17".

 

rather weird, doesnt the P15/70EM already have a DP connection? why wouldnt the dual gpu model have that then....?

 

It's weird because they have added extra USB3 ports but I would rather have a DP rather than a pair of those on the back.

Maybe as the HDMI is hooked up to a discrete card it can actually support 120hz 1080p?

 

While I enjoy your enthusiasm, I don't quite agree. It's like saying your Corvette should get only 8MPG whether floored or driving 45mph. I'm not saying it needs to get 7-8 hours, but 4 should be easily achievable.

 

Most Corvette owners that I know (I've never owned one) aren't too concerned about their MPG but how fast they can get from Point A to Point B... but I do understand your what you are getting at. My exaggerated statement was mainly directed towards those with a main interest in gaming, which I don't believe anyone believes is something you would want to do on battery. Haswell will keep everyone covered when it comes to battery life if you aren't doing anything that needs to kick in the dedicated gfx.

This machine won't be a Corvette, it will most likely be a Honda CR-Z.

 

I am looking at this to replace my m11x, so I want good battery life also. I don't expect good battery while gaming, but want the ability to last a while on battery for basic tasks.

 

We added some new photos of the Clevo W230ST. Now you can see that the 13 inch gamer don't have an optical drive on the other side. Clevo mentioned also that they will use 45 watt graphics. So i think there is no Nvidia GTX in there. Maybe a new GT 750M. The details are under NDA, so we can't talk about much more about it.

Link: CeBIT 2013: Schenker zeigt neue Clevo Gaming-Notebooks mit 4. Generation Intel Core Prozessoren und Nvidia Geforce GTX Grafik

 

Thank you for the nice pics.

 

nice, new pics from the same source as the others before thats what i call customer service

too bad tho if it really turns out to be a GT gpu, then it would basically just be another standard 13inch laptop out there...

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The new pictures seem to show a vent on the left side.

 

yep, not optimal but at least better than on the right side...

 

Thank ya for the updated pics to confirm the optical drive question.

Kind of a bummer about the GPU unless the 760M turns out to be a 45 Watt GPU... doubtful since the 700's are the kepler refresh. Still a 750M should, in theory, offer performance similar to that of a 660M. The real bummer would be if it is a 740M. Well hopefully more details will be revealed once the summer months are upon us and NDA's are removed.

 

it should be a rebranded 650M (40w tdp) called 740m with slightly higher clocks, bumping it to 45w tdp as described above. its doubtful theyd downclock a 660m from 75w to 45w...

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I cant see if has the thunderbolt port? .

 

Why does it have to be 45W? With process improvements they could make a 670mx (760m?) with 192-bit GDDR5 within 60W TDP, especially if they're able to bring the 130W+ 680mx as a 780m down to 100W. I'd be fine if it was even a 755m with 192-bit GDDR5 @ 1800, with 800 cores @ 800MHz. Come on Clevo, let me design your laptop for you!

 

Hmm... very good point. Well if that is the case I see this as being a nice multimedia machine but the gamer in me says the 50GT is as low as I can go. Most likely looking at the P151SM with a GTX card.

 

Still likely to be better performance than the GT335m in my m11xr2.

 

word, i dont get why theyre still at the same tdp level as with the W110ER, theyve got way more space now, so they might as well make use of it!

my calculations:

- 13.3" is 19.8% larger than 11.1"
- they fit a 40w gpu into a 11.1" machine
- 40w x 119.8% = 48w minimum possible in 13.3"
- since they can bring a 680mx down to 100w from 130w and thus make it a 780m, theyll surely be able to reduce all current 6xx series gpus to 100w/130w=77% tdp in the upcoming 7xx series
- we got 48w (77%) headroom, that would be equivalent to a 62w tdp (100%) in current 6xx series gpus
- 650m/"740m"=40w & 660m/"750m"=75w

THUS: as htwingnut already said, there should AT LEAST be a 745-750m in there! actually better, since when u look at a 15.6" machine with a 100w gpu, that should only amount to 56w tdp based on my calculations so this is the absolute minimum we should expect

any questions, clevo? no more excuses! be like nike and just do it!!!

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Oh yeah, a 740M would be nearly double the bump in performance compared to a GT335.

 

The W110ER got way too hot from what I have seen. They would likely use the extra space to keep those thermals better control.

 

It was really just idle temps were high because of fan profile. Used as designed, peak temps were about 80C which isn't unheard of with most laptops, and GPU was typically no more than 70C. It wasn't until users started using Throttlestop or overclocking their GPU's that temps grew into the 90's.

 

If they did go for a dual fan setup that would give them a lot more thermal play room.

 

well, we haven't seen the back, but I'd bet it is mainly battery, with the power socket somewhere. there is a chance of another fan on the back, which would give the dual fan system everybody here wants.

 

Oh man can't wait for the w230st. It's either that or the asus g46vw to replace my m11x r1. I need something powerful this time.

 

Double? Try 4-5 times the performance. Cuda cores 72 vs 384, not to mention faster vRAM, and architectural improvements. 335m is about on par with Intel HD 4000.

 

remember the 335m has much higher shader clocks.

 

lol, that doesn't matter.

72 shaders at 1080MHz vs 384 at 850MHz. 533% more shaders vs 30% clock speed improvement? That's like pitting a go cart vs a corvette.

 

I was doing a basic notebookcheck comparison between the 3DMark06 scores of the 335M and a 650M... which I know isn't a 100% accurate measurement, but should be in the right ballpark.