W230ST - The 13" We've been waiting for!?

People can see above 60hz, let's not start that old trope again lol, a delay is less important in a cascade type operation.

 

I did cover myself by saying SCIENTIFICALLY, lol. Personally, I think I can, but I'm also familiar with the power of placebo. I could just be noticing the extra buffer because even a normally steady 60fps image will experience spikes too brief to be recorded by software.

 

That reasoning doesn't make any sense to begin with... 10ms to react means 100 refreshes per second (1000ms/10ms), which is higher than 60hz (60 refreshes per second).

IMO its not the raw fps that's most noticible, its variation of the fps. I may not be able to tell a 40fps video from a 60 fps one, but it is very noticible when my framerate dips from 60fps to 40fps in bf3.

 

That's actually exactly what I meant. The most recent studies claimed that most people could only see at about 50Hz and it was republished in a bunch of gaming mags and sites. Kind of like an ongoing joke, so I was being half sarcastic. What you said about dropping from 60 to 40 is what I was saying about spikes being what we notice, because if it's rapidly changing at the instant your eye refreshes, you notice it.

The 10ms part is about when they measured how fast your optic nerve would detect change, so I was talking about delay. So the point was that panels with faster response time than that should be undetectable ie: when there is sudden movement of a dark object against a light background.

So it's a matter of refresh rate and delay, both of which vary between different panels.

In response to the below post: I've often wondered if being gamers develops our eyes and brains to the point where we greatly exceed any testable norm for people in general. It would definitely be an eye opener for many as to the health benefits of gaming

 

funny I just saw this today about 60 vs. 120 hz

Vast majority of gamers prefers 120 Hz monitors | Hardware.Info United States

 

I'm not from the UK, but it looks like Overclockers UK has them ready for pre-order. Their ETA is 7/18/2013.

**OUR SMALLEST MOST POWERFUL GAMING LAPTOP YET!!** - Overclockers UK Forums

 

Hmm i just checked and it states that ETA: 16/08/13 that's almost 6 weeks away, what a disappointment , i hope pcspecialist have them in stock sooner as i normally buy from them!

 

Yeah, I don't want to wait another month. Wow, no offense to you UK brethren, but I hope that's that specific vendor that won't see them for a month (or hopefully just a typo - 16/07/2013 perhaps). I want mine NAO!

 

When do you guys think this machine will get a discount in price? Before Christmas?

 

Pretty sure that Black Friday is consistently the lowest price of the year for these machines.

 

Just noticed the OCuk page also lists the power brick as being 230W, jeez that's overkill if true

*edit* Ok they might just have typos galore, 3W speakers which is 4 x 2W speakers. Oh also it's 2kg including an ODD which it actually can't have

 

I'm actually on a different bandwagon, as for me size is the limiting factor: my backpack can only accept up to 14" laptops, and I'm definitely not going for the "regular" shoulder packs, since it's my back that would then be the limiting factor.
A couple hundred dollars/euros more is not a problem to me though, and I'm not in a hurry either, so I guess that's where I really differ from most people...

My beef with this pre-order is that their "configuration" tool is as close to non-existent as it gets...
My ideal configurator would have at least options to skip memory and drives, and being able to choose the keyboard layout would be a big plus.
Something like what PCW.fr (www.clevo.fr) proposes, but then I'm not confident in giving money to a company that says it's an "official Clevo reseller", when Clevo itself say they shouldn't advertise as such nor use the www.clevo.fr url... sorry for digressing

 

Iv been following this thread since page 1, so i decided it time to make an account and join in while we have about a week left until this sexy machine gets released

What configurations are people looking at getting for their W230ST's?

 

I went barebones to save a lil on cost

WiFi: Intel 7260-AC (it was a free upgrade from metabox.com.au)
CPU: i7-4700MQ (it's actually cheaper on metabox.com.au vs the 4702) and I figured the battery savings aren't huge since faster CPU = faster to idle.
HDD: None (I picked up a plextor M5S on special last week to put in this bad boy)
RAM: 8gb (I've got another 8gb spare i'll put in)

That's pretty much all the configuration available

 

The low power ones usually do have a premium on their price. That's a nice config, did you see anandtech's AC wireless article?

 

CPU - 4700mq not much reason to get anything else
RAM - 16Gb DDR3 probably or 8GB if they offer 2x4
SSD - RAID MSATA 256GB if I have the cash when it comes out
WiFi - Intel 7260-AC
Screen (Since there is some doubt now about what screen that resellers are going to use) - The IPS panel no doubt

Should be a pretty good rig to complement a PS4 since it will run almost any PC exclusive I want and I can lug it to school if necessary.

 

Ill be keeping the 128gb Plextor M5M as that seems to be stock and adding a SSHD (hybrid drive) 1tb drive for storage.
Upgrading the WiFi to the Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 7260.

As for the CPU just trying to decide whether the extra $30 for the 4702 is worth it, as far as i can tell the 4700qm just keeps turbo on for longer but i doubt that would make much difference on power consumption if i look after it manually.

Also would anyone suggest the Horize Koshka as a packpack for this laptop? LBO offer it here in Australia

 

AnandTech | The Joys of 802.11ac WiFi

If this was the one then yes

 

would this little beast have any problems running games like Sc2 and 1080p movies on an external 23'-27' IPS monitor?

 

When you say raid mSATA do you mean 2x128 or 2x256? If 2x128 I would go with 1x256 if you can for now since small file speeds will be better.

 

CPU - 4700mq (power consumption is my primary concern, if I need more power I have machines at home)
RAM - none ideally, got 2x8GB from my old laptop to use
Storage - none again, using a 240GB Intel 335 from my old machine
Wifi - none, got an Intel 6235 to reuse
Display - 1080p, if it's that one from the asus ultrabook then definitely getting that.

My only concerns now are I might have some issues selling my old laptop as practically a barebones with CPU

 

Barebones can be quite attractive to people buying second hand.

 

Yup, read that earlier today. 802.11ac was definitely a big nice to have for me as my new router already supports it.

I do wonder how the Intel 7260ac card performs with regards to latency? Does it narrow the gap vs "The killer" chips?

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I have Ac 7260 card and it destroys the Killer 1103 card , it can consistently give me 15 ms on speetest, when my Killer 1103 card only gave me around 17-20 ms

 

I hope sc2 performance is great.. It's almost the only damn game I play.. But most sites list similar spec laptops running sc2 @1080p Max detail between 50-70fps... So should be plenty fast.

As for movies: it'll do 1080P without breaking a sweat I'm sure.

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Have you guys noticed that boths sites made prelaunch offer (dont know if it's prelaunch on overclockers) with a 64gb msata?
I've asked at clevo.fr and it seems to be a Adata (which would imply SX300 as is the only one available?) and the other one is a Plextor.
Now, how long do you think this offer will continue?
On the other hand, both sites say shipping will be done around august, so I really don't see much point in making the buy now, and even less without any reviews and comparisons agains the gigabyte...

 

Might just be till stock runs out.

 

what about GTA V? will this machine be able to run it?

 

yes but for sure not on max settings

 

I didn't think Rockstar had confirmed GTA V for PC? Last time I checked there was a petition out to get it ported to PC, has the status quo changed since then? (like 2 months ago)

 

it will be launched for PC as well. it always is i'd like to play GTA, watchdogs and rome 2.

 

Just for record, this is Plextor 2x128GB M5M mSATA in RAID 0 on the Clevo P375M. The W230ST should see similar performance since they use the same chipset.

 

I really wish they would release this Clevo laptop. It looks like a viable replacement for my Lenovo Y470. I wish it was the same price point. The newer Lenovo Y410P no longer supports Msata, so its a no go for me now. The newer form factor ngff m.2 drives are going to make it next to impossible to upgrade size due to changes in physical makeup going from say 60gb to 256gb. Where as the Msata is the same size thus expandable in the future.

 

Oh that's great to hear... Did you have that plugged into an ac router too?

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now available through xotic, other resellers to follow i'm sure.

 

Darn, hopefully they'll update available builds soon with the i7-4702MQ, but I'm liking the price

 

Xotic doesn't seem to be offering it with dual SSDs in RAID, must just be a temporary error.

 

wait a minute! ITS 4.6 LBS!!! thats pushing it for a 13inch

 

That is a pretty decent price, if the cooling is up to par, the machine would be great for people with a external set up.

Lowest 765m start around 900 out there?

 

WHAAAA? Is this pre-order or are they shipping?

 

Some HIGH Quality pics...

ETA JULY 16TH....


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Yeah I want to get lower power 35w spec chipset because I need to try to get the battery life up as much as possible. Does Clevo/Saeger ever make an extended battery solution? Or do any resellers offer such things?

 

Excellent pics Larry!

Can't wait! I just emailed you.

 

If the pricing on that Xotic link is the real deal, then this machine will be a winner for sure

 

Dang this is tempting... ~$1,100 for everything I was wanting, minus a MSATA SSD.

 

Just a couple questions. Is it possible to buy it with just one mSATA and upgrade to RAID 0 at a later date, and can you ask Xotic to not install a mechanical hard drive. I have absolutely no use for one since I already have another storage drive that I am going to drop in it when I buy it.

 

You can usually special order without the HDD, but it will probably take longer to get it, and only save you a few bucks.

But yes you can add a second mSATA later, preferably same kind and size if you're going to run RAID 0 but will have to reinstall the OS.

 

Yeah that is pretty much what I thought. There is really no rush for me to get a new laptop so I suppose I will probably just have them drop the HDD and I will pre-order mine later this week.

 

Xoticpc has an integrated fingerprint reader as an option? Another typo, or am i just not seeing it in the pictures?

 

That pricing makes the Alienware 14 seem ridiculous. Moreso if the cooling and build quality are decent.