W230ST - The 13" We've been waiting for!?

I was told by one of the resellers that Sager doesn't offer this option anymore or actively discourages it due to the hassle. You would save more money just getting the HDD and selling it off yourself.

 

12GB - DDR3 1600MHz Dual Channel Memory ( 3 SODIMMS ) (SKU - S4S433P) ( + 40 )

Is that a typo? For what I've seen so far, I thought there were only 2 SODIMM slots (or did I miss something?).

 

Only 1000$???
Amazing!

 

Larry @ LPC is confirming RAM options. That has to be a typo on Sager's part.

 

Yes this is totally confirmed by Sager, ONLY 2 MEMORY SLOTS...

 

For anyone interested, visit the Owner's Lounge. I updated with Sager's official images and specs (thanks Larry).

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...-clevo-w230st-sager-np7330-owners-lounge.html

 

If the laptop's idling with the screen off for 4 hours, sure, you'll be getting slightly more battery life out of the 4702. If not, well, you just spent more money for less performance.

Personally, if battery life was really *that* big a dealbreaker, I'd be ordering a second battery and swapping them out during a hibernate.

But then again, I'm getting the 4800 because 300mhz makes a measurable impact on my use of the machine as a mobile video encoder. (Lets me do stuff like this while I'm at the racetrack: RideDays 19-10-2012 G2 - Session 6 - YouTube and play it back before the next session.)

The faster computers get, the more cameras I can add. ^_^

 

Plus, with any luck it may work with XTU and offer an extra +400MHz

 

Intriguing...

I figured I could argue away the ~66 cents per megahert as 33 cents per megahert if I split it 50:50 with the virtualization instructions that also come with the chip. I didn't think I'd also be buying the ability to do proper cpu overclocking despite the clevo Bios... If that works, it's a bargain.

 

We can usually special request the removal of the primary hard drive, PM me and I can let you know more about doing so.

I have our web developer checking this out and will update our site accordingly, sorry if thats wrong . Per original official specs it says its there, but the latest ones dont include it, as mentioned i dont see it in the pics either.

Edit: Integrated Fingerprint reader has been removed.

 

I am officially bowing out of this hypecoaster for now. I ended up ordering a new 15" to replace my main laptop since I couldn't survive any longer without more computing power. Fortunately with this thing being so cheap, I feel okay about it, because I can still buy one a few months down the line. I was worried there it was going to start near the price of the EU and Asia pre-orders.

 

Any resellers going to offer lower res screen options?

 

Is the listing on Xoticpc a pre-order, or a regular forrealzies order?

 

I'm curious, which Windows OS are you guys planning to run on this little beast of a machine?

 

There is no good reason for anyone posting in this forum not to load Windows 8 x64. Driver and power management is better. Application compatibility is the same. The lack of a start button is something I'm sure anyone in this forum is smart enough to work around.

For less tech savvy user, I get they might not be able to switch so easily, but for this group of people there should be no reason not to imo.

 

If it pests M$ off, I might just not change

 

Good Price!
So, it does cost a bit less than USD1099 as predicted.

 

If you actually got attached to the aero glass effect, or you flat out dislike metro, the correct thing to do isn't to spend hours applying workarounds, but to vote with your feet by not buying or using windows 8.

And even if you're completely neutral and want to run both, windows 8 runs phenomenally well inside a VM. (That's about the only thing I did like about it.) And you *will* have to run one of them inside of a VM rather than dual boot, due to the incompatible UEFI divide (which means even if you want to dual boot with linux, you're better off choosing 7 because it's just one less headache).

There are political reasons not to choose 8 as well. One of which being that Microsoft almost tried to squeeze out competition (Steam was worried enough to push its own linux distro) by forcing its own store down everyone's throat, or its anticompetitive stranglehold that disallowed chrome and metro to compete in the tablet space with the (awful) IE/Bing lockin.

And let's say that some business wants to buy productivity laptops. Why are they going to buy an OS that pushes an app store at every turn and actively tries to remove users from the context of what they're doing every time they want to open a new application?

TLDR: There's a huge army of people and reasons out there that would disagree with you. Windows 8 is pretty much mandatory if you're going with the intel 7260 wifi card, at least for now, but it's not like someone came on here and complained about missing drivers for XP. They're both still officially current and supported OSes in the mainstream.

Choosing to use one or the other shouldn't be accompanied with derision (outside of the corporate environment, where it's clear that Metro is actively a bad thing).

 

But buying windows 7 still supports them and no other os makes sense for a gamer so you are stuck anyway. Just buy a PSP and a ps4 then

 

I think Windows 8 becomes a great OS if you give it a fair shot. The learning curve is daunting and the changes are initially offputting, but you really become accustomed to it and the "old ways" fade away after some time. I hated it too, initially, but after a week found it to be smooth and fast with a very elegant UI (although I do miss aero...).

 

Are you saying the 4700 doesn't allow overclocking or have the improved visualization instruction set?

 

All valid points, but this is the tech industry.. and it's constantly evolving; I look at my parents who were not brought up using a computer and struggle with basic computing concepts. It's stuff we take for granted because we've become accustomed to working with it, but for a lot of people it's still very difficult. MS, Apple and Google are always trying to dumb things down to make it easier. Windows 8 was another step in that direction... It's a work in progress all the companies keep making progress.

This negative feedback towards Windows 8, isn't something new. It happens with every release of pretty much anything... Hell I remember people still defending Windows mobile when Android and IOS were taking off.

Anyway I feel like in this forum with this laptop we are focusing on tech savvy end-user computing. The question was "What version of windows are you going to load" my point stands. No reason for us not to move with the times. The changes in windows 8 good / bad aren't really deal breakers for all the advancement windows 8 brings (faster, better drivers, same application support, better power management). But anyway, if it's something you can't get use to, that's fine.. it's your laptop to do with as you please. I was just offering my 2cents

 

According to this

The only difference in the instruction set would be this vPro/TXT/VT-d, and they don't seem all that useful

 

4700MQ up to 3.4ghz with +200mhz OC
4800MQ up to 3.9ghz with +400mhz OC (I think)
4900MQ up to 4.2ghz with +600mhz OC
4930MX up to your heatsink

These are all 4 core up to 8 thread max turbo.

 

Regarding Windows 8, I have installed it several times, and just can't tolerate it. It is better with some third party start menus, as long as I don't need to look at the dreaded Metro interface. It looks like a Mickey Mouse Clubhouse game. It's unintuitive, unfriendly, and takes me away from my desktop. In my eyes it is another Vista debacle. I will likely use Windows 8 from the start on this laptop however, primarily due to driver support, and namely for the Intel 7260 802.11AC wi-fi card.

@Meaker - Caliber41 confirmed 4700MQ with +200MHz, and I did with 4800MQ with +400MHz. If you do any amount of serious number crunching the 4800MQ is the best bang for the buck. I'm just curious to see though how well this little guy handles the heat!

 

^^That.

3.9ghz on all 4 cores or 4.1 ghz on a single core; 500mhz faster than the next cpu down for $200 aint bad; I honestly don't think the cooling would be up to much more than that for the next step up (I'm using a w110er @ 3.3ghz for my current video encoding, I know how warm it can get), but I can certainly appreciate the extra speed.

VT-d was also something I always wanted to play with (directing the graphics card to the guested OS inside ESX, and I suppose learning first hand where the limitations of optimus lie [i.e. if this works at all, it'll probably only work via hdmi]), VPro and TXT not so much.

On a desktop, where I'm free to overclock whatever, I've never bought above the minimum spec cpu model, so I've never had that opportunity otherwise. Ironic how limitations can make me excited.

 

Norvegian website ( Multicom):
There is two models, both named Multicom Xishan W230S, one with a 1TB Harddrive (brand undisclosed), which costs 7995 Norvegian Krones (about 1017 Euros), and has model number W230ST-CFB1:
Multicom Xishan W230S 13.3" Full-HD Matt, Intel Core i7-4700MQ, 8GB, 1TB, GeForce GTX 765M, Uten operativsystem / MULTICOM

The second is the same, with Intel 335 Series 180GB SSD, costs 8895 Norvegian Krones (about 1132 Euros), with model number W230ST-CFB1:
Multicom Xishan W230S 13.3" Full-HD Matt, Intel Core i7-4700MQ, 8GB, 180GB SSD, GeForce GTX 765M, Uten operativsystem / MULTICOM

Both models are on pre-order (projected release date: july, 25th), and there is no configuration possible (unless I missed something, but then I'll have to blame Google Translate).

 

Hmm, so even though the 4700MQ, 4800MQ, and 4900MQ all have 47W TDP, the higher end models still run a lot hotter?

 

Yes they can.

 

With the overclocks they will all throttle to the same point unless you make TDP adjustments.

The 4900MQ is not that much more expensive and will get you most of what haswell can do but I doubt the 13" will cope with that.

 

Right, curious to see how well this little machine manages the heat. Considering it shares a heatsink/fan with the GPU though it will likely be an either/or scenario. OC CPU for CPU intensive stuff, or stock clocks for GPU intensive stuff (like gaming). I ordered one with an i7-4800MQ so we'll see.

 

glad you id because i too also think 4800mq is best bang for buck and would like to know how it will handle heat. and since you are a very good reviewer and analyst. im sure i will get all the info i need. i wont get it on launch. because i need to sell my current laptop and my xbox 360 to fund it as i am getting married in september. so i cant fund spae cash. unless i just sell my iphone 5 for quicker cash. (LOL yes i really want to own this)

 

A 4700MQ with +200mhz and an undervolt with all the extra power going to the GPU will likely give the best gaming experience.

 

The GTX 765M utilizes the same turbo clock function as the GTX 780M that allows it to increase the clock speed as long as there is operating temperature headroom correct?

 

Yeah, I'm pretty close to pulling the trigger on a pretty basic model of this(mostly defaults + IC diamond + 7260) plus going to have it shipped win8, I think. Might as well give it a try and find out the joys of "secure" boot as it'll end up at least dual booting windows & at least one linux distro...

I'm mainly into this as even the 8250-S @ 15.6" isn't quite as portable as I had hoped, but it's still an awesome notebook... This one I'd take places that I wouldn't even consider taking the 8250...

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BTW I ABSOLUTELY LOATHE Metro. It has to be the most idiotic and godawful UI ever designed, and even more so when attempting to force it on desktops and notebooks. I can kinda see where it MIGHT be SLIGHTLY more palatable on a phone or tablet, but to me it's just godawful...
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CPU options:
according to this the ONLY differences are base/max clocks + IGP clocking + "trusted execution":
http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/8/...4700MQ_vs_Intel_Core_i7_Mobile_i7-4800MQ.html

making the 4800mq the "sweet" spot in price/perf.
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i've read on some manufactures site that it will support 3 screens simultaneously - does that mean that I will be able to hook up two monitors ? One on hdmi one vga and use laptop screen as well ? If so that would be sweet :]

 

So is the screen not IPS? The listing on xotic, etc, doesn't specifically mention IPS, but I know the opening post says 1080 would be? Is it just a nice viewing angle but techincally not IPS?

 

About the 7260 ac:
"This hasn't been officially released by intel--it's been launched. It's an OEM product meaning that you won't find it packaged for sale on a store shelf. There are Linux drivers (not available on the Intel site). The Windows 8 drivers have only been released for testing. And the Windows 7 drivers will be released but haven't been released yet."

Hence xotic's current win8 only parenthetical...

 

Pre Order, Sager is expecting to start shipping on the 16th.

 

We have windows 7 drivers for them, and they are WHQL signed and production at least from Intel have been since the beginning

 

Mythlogic are you going to have a pre-order for this or available for sale anytime soon?

 

Yes we have it up right now, check our site =)

 

Typo with the ram configuration?

 

If they are WHQL are they available for download anywhere?

Check out the owner's lounge, there's some good discussion on it there.

 

Maybe, fixed that, thanks!

I don't know if they are on the Intel site anywhere, but we got ours direct from Intel Engineering

 

Thanks, checked out that topic. Answered my questions pretty much.

 

Hmm.. in Australia the 4800MQ is an extra $200 over the 4700MQ; How is this the sweet spot? Also wouldn't undervolting the 4700MQ mean it's runs a little cooler for the GPU to flex it's muscle?

How is everyone calculating the 4800MQ as best bang for buck?

 

There's a great post on anadtech comments about VT-D: AnandTech | Comments for Intel

 

It's Goldilocks economics, used in quite a few places but the comparison I'll draw is air travel. You have the cheap low end economy class (4700MQ), then an option that's justifiable and gets you a bit more for roughly twice the price of the low end (so, business class), then one other option for people who don't care about cost and just want the best (4900MQ or 4930MX) which is five times the cost or something.

The 4800MQ is not the best bang for your buck, that's the 4700, however it is intended to be a justifiable upgrade for most folks.

 

Digital Storm VELOCE brings first 13.3-inch gaming notebook with Haswell to market - SlashGear

Is this the Clevo W230ST? Looks very similar in shape. But man is that thick!