W230ST - The 13" We've been waiting for!?

Sorry but all I see are 15 inch and 17 inch user manuals posted. This is a W series anyhow.

P series are usually MXM with W series embedded GPU. So not sure if they would directly equate.

 

A 660M is a 660M regardless of being soldered in or not, as we see with the MSI and clevo models.

 

Yes but that does not mean it isn't 192-bit and always 192-bit, is all I'm saying. The fact that GTX 660 exists with 2GB vRAM shows nVidia has thought and considered it before for a mid range card.

 

It was done back in the 500 series actually on the desktop, would be the first mobile part to use it IIRC, they don't tend to do it as the margins are higher on mobile parts so sticking on that extra ram is done as a selling feature.

We will have to see as it is perfectly possible.

 

I do love seeing a Meaker and HTWingNut "debate"... it's like dueling banjos but with tech specs.

The techPowerUp listing has it as a 192-bit chip (also the 760 and 765 list identical information, so one is obviously wrong.), but Wikipedia has it listed as a 128-bit chip.

Hopefully nVidia will stop teasing us and release this info in May.

 

I think the 760 and 765 may both be 128bit chips to help move them away from the performance of the 770 and 780.

Historically chips using mismatched memory desktop side have had their symmetrical amount doubled since the margins are greater and bigger numbers sell. The reason they don't put 3GB on the desktop versions is the margins are much tighter and it saves cash.

 

Just reviewing what rumored information there is between the 760, 765, and 770 (has more shaders) is that they are all pretty close to each other and there isn't a real "dramatic" change until the 780. Not sure what the advantage of having the 765 would be over the 760 on paper.

 

If they have turbo then frequency and tdp limits.

 

Kinda like what they do with 640m/650m/660m...

I think Meaker is right, as sad it sounds for performance sake . While I don't think 128-bit is that much of an issue for 1366x768 screen, for running native 1080p (0xAA) or even 720p with 4xAA (which is what you'll need minimum to eliminate jaggies on 1080p screen), it will hinder performance.

 

Remember though that it would be able to run higher frequency memory as the power cost of that comes down so it may be 1250mhz ram instead of 900mhz which would help offset a lot of that.

 

NVIDIA_DEV.11E2. 3537.1558 = "NVIDIA GeForce GTX 765M

 

I have a simple question about discussion from a page or two back.

Since when is 5.5lbs heavy?

 

It's heavy for a 13". More like the weight of a standard 15" laptop. It's probably not unreasonable given the performance though.

 

It's simply relative to the competition.
Most 13" weigh around 1.5kg (3.3lbs). 2.4kg (5.5lbs) is a the weight of a well performing 15" laptop nowadays,
For those who consider the 13" just due to it being lighter might often reconsider and go for the W650EH or something similar with the same weight or go for a light 13"

 

Since ultrabooks and tablets, when you can get all your casual computing done on a 1.3lb tablet, needing a device 4x that for serious computing can seem silly. I'm personally fine with it since I understand that a tablet or ultrabook don't come close to the raw power of heavier systems, but some people see things differently.

 

the difference tho between other notebooks 13" and this one is that they are ultra books....this one isnt. is a portable gaming laptop. anyone here on this thread who is after a 13 inch and wants power is here for the same reason everyone else is participating in the thread. if someone wants a 13" to moan that it weighs a lil bit more than an ultrabook needs to consider something else and go on another thread imo. its crazy.
its not like it weighs so much out of the cateogory margins for a 13" notebook.
its like a man complaining that his baby weighs a little bit more than the national average. so you gonna refuse to carry your child cos they a little bit heavier than you expect?
to those who still cant get there head round the weight of the machine need to go gym hit some weights and stop acting like a pansy cos this is a mans machine. and real men get on with it lol.

 

To answer some who ask my sources. I've just read the Roadmap PDF....

 

Show me a 15" notebook that supports quad core ivy bridge and GTX 670mx that is less than 6.8lbs. You can't. That's why I don't think a 13" with comparable performance at 5.3 to 5.5lbs is that unreasonable. I agree that if you want thin and light, this machine is not it. It's not thin and light, it's compact and powerful, and with that comes weight.

 

I'm still amazed it's that light tbh, W550EU seemed to be a light laptop and it's only about 0-100g lighter than this. I'd gladly trade the 2" extra on this laptop for a smaller (i.e. more portable) machine with a decent GPU and pretty much no extra weight.

 

W550EU has only a CPU no dedicated GPU and only a dual core CPU. And 5.5lbs is *my guess only*. Nothing has been published. It could very well be much less. If it comes in under 5 lbs though I'll be impressed considering the components it's packing.

 

Check his bigger brother, the W650EH.
Unfortunately only 740m but it has a quad core CPU.

Still rather hard to imagine anything outside the 750m for a machine of that size.
I wonder If we'll see the same move with some other small gaming laptops.
Would be nice to see the asus g46 maybe renewed with 765m and actually see some benchmark results of the lenovo 750m SLI.
New alienware m14x could be nice...

Waiting for the release of Haswell is killing me. :|

 

Perhaps Clevo have made strides in reducing weight. In any case 5lbs, 5.5lbs, if that is a deal breaker for anyone, then perhaps just stick with a 3lbs notebook. I can guarantee it won't be any lighter than 4.5 lbs. The W110ER is 4.0lbs itself. Add a larger chassis, fan, heatsink/pipe, and that easily adds 0.5lbs, likely closer to 1lbs.

The thing is the M14x and G46 are not that much smaller than your traditional 15" notebook, and definitely same/more weight. They are about an inch less wide, but about half inch deeper.

At this point I'm done speculating until I get some solid information. We can guess until we're blue in the face, but in the end it doesn't matter. Hopefully someone spills the actual specs soon, or user manual gets published.

 

Or June 3rd comes along and everyone can start officially launching their Haswell products

 

Same. meanwhile, have you seen the pics of the m14x r3 posted in the alienware forums? it also looks like an interesting laptop.

 

The m14x R3 seems rather bland and uninteresting not to mention that it will probably have a single 750m, one fan and basically the same construction as it's predecessors.
I'm more anxious to see the next iteration of the asus g46vw, last time they managed to stick an entire 660m inside while everyone had at most 650m. I wonder if they'll be able to top it with the next model.
I'm looking for a light (2.4kg - 5.2 lbs) and mobile laptop to be used for both programming and gaming. I'm really digging the lenovo y400 but the screen quality is quite frankly off putting.
Good screen and a capable GPU in the 13-14" form would be ideal.

In the meantime I have my sturdy t420 which is a pleasure to use, shame it's incapable of anything better than some Dota and Jedi Academy.

 

Only thing I've seen from AW M14x R3 is this: http://forum.notebookreview.com/alienware/712997-sneak-peek-upcoming-m17x-m14x.html#post9133599



Looks none too impressive to me. Sounds like a 760m in there too.

I don't see anything competing with the Clevo W230ST (QT?) in 14" and under category, even if it is a little on the heavy side (for some).

 

terrible they are trying to clone asus. Im not even into flashy but I loved the looks of the m18x in red nebula, but that is just devolving I hope most of that is just a placement part to test the prototype

 

I work with Alienwares and love'm, I just can't justify their premium for price/performance when it comes to spending my own money. Maybe once Dell goes back to being privately owned they can rework the brand.

 

still there is no picture or video for this clevo model? I can't wait to see the design of this laptop,are they going to make docking station for this laptop?

 

So I'm trying to budget how much to set aside to get this thing, would I be safe at $1k or should I save up to like $1200, I plan to buy it the day it is on Sager's website.

 

Found here

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/705795-w230st-13-weve-been-waiting-16.html#post9132426

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/705795-w230st-13-weve-been-waiting-16.html#post9132608

 

june cant come soon enough, I wanna see the specs and more photos of it. This model interests me and may actually make me go for clevo instead of the next year rmbp 13, specially now that I bought the m500

 

I'd say $1200 will be base price with quad core. But that's based on my own personal wild speculation and nothing more. I'm personally putting aside $1500 for mine. I plan on getting the mid grade i7 quad core (i7-4900MQ?)

 

Wow, I really kind of hope they offer this with a 1600x900 screen and a 750m as a base model and then offer the 1080p and 765m as optional extras so they can offer it cheaper.

 

There are other machines that cover that market really.

 

Ya, the Lenovo Y400/Y500 are incredible deals right now for that configuration. I have my eyes on this Clevo but I am afraid I might not resist that Y400 for long.

 

As Meaker stated, there are other machines like that. But I'd bet a dollar that there will only be one GPU configuration since it's likely soldered on the motherboard. To be honest I wouldn't mind a quality 1600x900 screen instead of 1080p.

 

That's my next computer.

 

Looks awesome. Can't wait to own it!

 

Since P1xxSM and W650SR user manuals were posted, hoping the W230ST is posted real soon too. We may be as close to a month away from availability. Man am I gonna be busy reviewing all these new models (assuming I can get review samples from LPC-Digital like before)...

 

Are these manuals available publicly? I'd very like to see.

 

Yes they are in this Sager forum:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/716898-p1xxsm-user-manual-posted.html
http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/717146-w650sr-15-750m-fhd-user-manual-posted.html

 

Your reviews are always extremely informative and very well done, will be looking forward to them.

 

...as will the rest of the clevo subforum pretty much

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Will the resellers be offering Windows 7 with the new models, or only Windows 8? If they don't no big deal, but I was just curious what will be offered in the customizations. There is no way I am going to torture myself with Windows 8. Hopefully Microsoft learns for their latest mistake, but I am not holding my breath on that note. Ill stick with what I know and what I am comfortable with...

 

Good question. I sure hope Win 7 will be an option.

 

It will be for us (We will offer Win 7, Win 8, Ubuntu) (So long as everything works as expected), but can't speak for anyone else.

 

Is there a date when OEM Win 7 can no longer be sold?

 

That is what I was curious about, the new manual exclusively uses Windows 8 for illustration purposes and it is the only OS that appears under specs too.