W230ST - The 13" We've been waiting for!?

Ah roger that, was looking at benchmarks, they were saying the 670mx performed better than the 675m.

 

Out of interest where were those benchmarks?

 

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 675M - Compare

675m = 3550
670mx = 4000
675mx = 4320
650 Ti Boost = 5670

5670 * 65% = 3685

That is how I got the assumption that the 765m would be near the performance of the 675m.

 

Where did you read that it is below a 670mx? With a 765m moniker it is likely about same as 670mx.

 

The techpowerup page says that its a 768 shader part, but of course it may not be accurate.

 

768 @ 700mhz shaders vs 960 @ 600mhz shaders.

The 768 shader part needs a 25% clock advantage to keep up. If the reported clocks and shaders are accurate it would be about 10% slower.

 

If the new14" Lenovo Y400 can sport a GT 750 and an optical drive then there is no reason to believe that this notebook will have anything less than a GTX 760M. Hell the Lenovo offers owners the ability to remove the optical drive to add another fan, HD bay, or GPU. We have heard that this notebook won't offer SLI and IMO it shouldn't need it if it has a powerful GPU to begin with.

 

I think it has already been well established that it will be more than 760m and most likely a 765m. Just depends on specs of the 765m.

 

Looking forward to this, if it does end up with what is essentially as powerful as 2 (or maybe a little less) 650Ms, this machine would handle medium or high at 1080p no problems! Brilliant for a small/light/portable machine! Just hope the LCD is at least a good TN.

 

I really hope so, as I would be more than happy with either. I am just cautious to get my hopes up only to be disappointed later. I am just being cautiously optimistic. I like what I am hearing so far though...

 

Cannot recall if posted yet, but it according to CLBenchmarks, the 765M performs better than a 670MX... granted i'm not familiar enough with CLBenchmarks to know if this means anything at all, with the exception that it has bigger numbers.

765M: CLBenchmark - OpenCL Compute Performance of NVIDIA GeForce GTX 765M
670MX: CLBenchmark - OpenCL Compute Performance of NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670MX

Looks like test results were from 03/28/2013.

 

hm, well, that would just mean that the 7xx series wouldnt suck as much in GPGPU operations as the 6xx series, but unfortunately that doesnt tell us anything about gaming performance. thanks for the link tho

 

this laptop is looking better and better

 

I am literally checking this thread several times a day, starving for new information on this. I know it has been brought up, but any update on if it will have an mSATA slot? There is about a 95% chance this will be my next laptop. If it falls flat I will be going for the W110er.

 

From what we know with 90% certainty:
- 13.3" 1080p Screen (IPS or high quality TN? We don't know that yet)
- Haswell Dual or Quad Core options
- GTX 765m 192-bit GDDR5
- 4 USB ports, three on right, one on left, likely two 2.0 and two 3.0
- HDMI, VGA, at least based on images
- Ethernet jack, better be gigabit

Things we don't know:
- Keyboard backlighting
- Storage will most likely have a single 2.5" 9.5mm bay SATA III, hopefully SATA III mSATA also
- RAM, my guess is 2 slots of DDR3-1600 supported (or whatever max Haswell is), 2x8GB max
- Wi-Fi N of course, maybe AC would be nice

In any case with at LEAST 760m GPU, quad core Haswell, and 1080p screen, I'm sold. I just hope the screen isn't total garbage. Of course we will likely have options for alternate screens from third parties since it will likely be a dual channel LVDS or eDP.

 

I hope its edp, imagine using a rmbp 13 screen on this? it will be beast!

 

Are those now one layer, or are they multi-layer too.

 

dunno but here is the wiki with the current state of affairs

 

Same - sort of stumbled in here by accident, and now checking regularly for more info and a release date. Everything sounds solid, I just hope the screen is good.

 

I would be very surprised not to see an mSATA slot!

 

Mmm, and the keyboard, though backlighting isn't such a concern to me typing experience is

 

Yeah, good quality keyboard is important over backlighting. To be honest if they just used reflective paint or material for the letters it would be perfectly fine. But as it stands on the W110ER I can't see any keys in the dark, especially the blue special characters which are the ones I *need* to see to make sure I'm pressing the right one.

I hope they also take into consideration the keyboard ghosting, although it hasn't been so problematic with me, it still is a concern.

 

I havent been on this thread or discussion before but i`m only joining the bandwagon since HTWing mentioned this on a other of my postings....Does anyone know anything about a potential release date or is this all up in the air right now ???

 

There isn't an official release date or released specs. Based on the Haswell and nVidia 765M* components, no earlier than June 1st.

 

for me msata is a must. you can now get 480gb and 512gb sata3. i would prefer bl keyboard. but my main gripe is a noisey mouse left and right click button due to being stiff. i hope its soft thus literaly no noise. those that experience lenovos with dedicated mouse click and the hp elitebooks.
(lol this is not me. this is the miss that has the problem as some simulation games like football manager requires a lot of mouse clicking and it causes arguements. where i sold the laptop. for eg. asus u46sv replaced for thinkpad edge e320.)
also fan noise for me. some companies pull this one off very well like lenovo and Asus. 40db is the average with gpus.

 

That or a sensitive touch pad that reliably double taps.

 

I hope it's the same or better as the p150em.
The gestures and tapping are quite accurate but the buttons were rock hard, utterly unpleasant.

 

for me the most important part of the laptop is the screen - if they put a good panel in (at least 70% colour gamut) then I'm definitely in. having had my last 12 or so laptops fitted with high gamut screens i find it very difficult going back to sub 60% gamut screens where everything looks dull and lifeless.

 

Weight and thickness are what matter most to me, I dont want something that is going to be over 6 pounds and be an inch and half thick.

 

Well weight and cooling go hand in hand, so it depends on what sort of performance system you go for.

 

My best guesstimate is 5.5 lbs. Thickness will likely be same as W110ER 1.5". If you ask me how I came up with that, I can't tell you.

 

We'll just assume there was a crystal ball involved

That's pretty much perfect, if by sheer chance that turned out to be accurate that would put the weight a little above a W550EU and 600g lighter than a P150EM, honestly amazing. If the screen turns out to be 72% gamut, the keyboard doesn't have any major issues and the price tag is somewhere in the 1200-1400GBP range with all the bells and whistles (SSD, RAM) I'm replacing my W550EU with this

 

5.5lbs is way too heavy, it should be at most at 2kg, i.e. 4.41lbs, 5.5lbs is around the same weight as their 15 notebooks

 

urm, W110ER is 1.8kg and a lot smaller, with probably a smaller battery, smaller heatsink (it runs very hot) and less power consumption to worry about. If the GPU were dropped entirely I'm sure it'd be possible though... but then it's just a chubby ultrabook

 

it doesnt matter its too heavy for a 13, even for a 14 its heavy, 5.5 is the weight of 15, even the w350 weighs 6lbs

if the gpu is dropped we expect weight of less than 4lbs, usually 3.5, hell the s13 weighs 3.75 and it comes with a gpu, if its more than 5 its not going to cut it. weight plays a lot in portability

 

u expect a lil too much,u cant have both a highperforming AND superslim/lightweight machine i for one would be ready to make compromises in weight for extra performance any day i mean cmon, were not weaklings here, are we? definitely able to carry that extra pound or two around

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/signed - i also see difficulties concerning the heat (and thats why i'm still not convinced it will be a ~765M ), but 5.5lbs 14" would only be an alternative for those few ppl who consider notebooks like an M14x an option . The notebook needs to be light enough to be carried around with one hand imho .. need the other one for my (german) beer

 

I dont care much about slim, I care about the weight, this is the most important factor when you are dealing with mobility, lets face it, if you are buying this notebook you are buying it because, you like gaming, you want power, and you want mobility

just 0.5lbs to the 15'' model is too much, there are 2'' in there of more things added included an ODD that weights that much (0.5lbs)

cooling that is quite possible, but I agree on the weight

 

I see no difficulties with heat, period. W110ER with 45W CPU + 45W GPU is managed well in an 11" chassis. 45W CPU + 65W GPU should easily be managed in a 13" chassis. As far as weight, without using exotic materials and elaborate heatsink designs (both which add to cost significantly), it's a matter of increasing TDP increases weight, there's no way around it.

The W350 as mentioned is 6lbs, but it has basically same specs as the W110ER, with larger screen, chassis and optical drive that equates to that extra two lbs. Show me any 15" with a 670mx that weighs less than 6.5 lbs heck, less than 7 lbs. Compare it with a machine with similar specs with 670mx, the NP9130 for example, that weighs 6.8bs. That's basically what you're talking about... in a 13" chassis. So its smaller form factor lessens weight by about 1.5lbs. My guess is 5.3-5.5lbs. If you want the performance it comes at the expense of weight and thickness. Color me impressed if it comes in under 5lbs.

I hear a lot of "complaints" about Clevo's plastic chassis. That helps reduce weight. Alienware's M14x with same specs as the W110ER (except for larger screen/chassis of course) weighs 6.5lbs, a full 2.5lbs more. So I'm not sure what people are expecting. I can guarantee if Alienware bumps the performance of the M14x R3 to similar to the W230ST its weight will also go up possibly by as much as 0.5lbs. The Samsung Series 7 Chronos 770Z5E-S01DE has an AMD 8870m GPU and i7-3635QM CPU, 15" chassis and weighs about 5.5lbs. The 8870m is about on par with the 660m. Samsung is known to use more metal and fancy designs in their laptops, and still the weight is not much less than other 650m/660m 15.6" laptops.

 

By the way, as I pointed out it looks like the 765M is a 128bit memory bus design.

 

the 8870m is a 7870m which is around the in the middle of the 670m and 675m, so around the 670mx

I know cooling and weight go hand to hand, but 2.5kg for a 13 is way too much, 2kg is about right, 2.2kg is about acceptable

 

I beg to differ. It's a 128-bit GPU. It's actual game performance is about on par with a 650m/660m (ignoring synthetic benchmarks)

I'm sorry, I didn't see that assessment. Can you provide link? Also what is it based on? That wouldn't make sense based on nVidia's numbering scheme. I'm not saying nVidia hasn't had wonky numbering schemes before, but it just wouldn't make sense unless the GPU and vRAM were clocked very high, but that wouldn't make sense from a TDP standpoint. And Mythlogic's point that it isn't a 760m but it's no less powerful than a 760m, all signs point to 760m as a 192-bit GPU, so anything more would have to be, right?

 

The Sager manual lists 2GB of GDDR5 so unless it's 256bit.....

 

Now only looking forward to P375SM,W230ST would be considered after it.This mini one would be a good choice for guys looking for both convenience and power:thumbsup:

 

GTX 660 is 192-bit 2GB.

Specifications | GeForce

and where did you find the Sager manual of this little beast?

 

The new models already put up list a 2GB 765M so unless Nvidia are releasing multiple versions again the 765M is 128bit or 256bit, conisdering the 770M is a 3GB card it is 192bit thus leading me to conclude the 765M may be a 770M but with a 128bit bus to make soldering it onto a motherboard easier while still offering a large shader advantage.

Unless yes they are using asymmetrical memory in which case there is a performance hit on that too.

 

I guess where is all this info coming from? Has nVidia published specs alreaedy? Performance hit is minor with asymmetrical vRAM and I'd rather have asymmetrical 192-bit than 128-bit 2GB. But I guess what I want and what it is are two different things. Just a waiting game now.

 

Look at the GPU section of the posted user manuals, I would have thought that was the first place everyone would have looked

 

Well where is it posted? I haven't seen it anywhere here.

 

The thread titled "P1xx User Manual Posted!"