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    Will Clevo be releasing a GTX 1080 Desktop edition laptop?

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by FitnessRegiment, May 8, 2016.

  1. Meaker@Sager

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    Yes, I think Nvidia and Apple are still not best of friends still.
     
    Meaker@Sager, May 14, 2016
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    thats some weird calculations right there...lemme fix that for you:

    1080 vs. 980 = +65%
    980 vs. 980m = +30-35%
    980m +65% = 980 + 22-27%

    now lets take a look at what we already know about the 1070:

    1080 = 9 TFlops SP
    1070 = 6.5 TFlops SP
    970 = 3.9 TFlops SP

    1080 vs. 1070 = +38%
    1070 vs. 970 = +67%

    sooo, since both the 1080 vs. 980 and 1070 vs. 970 performance boost is in the range of +65-70% we can actually safely assume that thats where the 1080m vs. 980m will be :)

    in that case, a 1080m would reach the performance level of a desktop fury / fury x, and overclocked even surpassing a titan x :D good times, folks!

    Sent from my Huawei Mate 8 NXT-AL10
     
    jaybee83, May 14, 2016
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    Well if Apple like rebrandings that much I won't stand in the way :).
     
    wickette, May 14, 2016
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    You have to take TDP into account too.
     
    Meaker@Sager, May 14, 2016
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    darkarn Notebook Evangelist

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    Yeah, and TDP too, no sense in having a performance increase but yet worse portability or battery life lol

    Also, am I right to say that mobile Pascal more or less makes most laptops that come with it (the higher-end stuff only) VR-ready?
     
    darkarn, May 14, 2016
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    I can't confirm anything like that, sorry.
     
    Meaker@Sager, May 14, 2016
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    No probs, I am just putting that thought out
     
    darkarn, May 14, 2016
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    Certainly without optimus you can go ahead and use a VR headset regardless of stamp on it.
     
    Meaker@Sager, May 14, 2016
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    If you take the performance information that has already been released, plus add in @jaybee83 post above regarding performance increases then the conclusion can be drawn from that. At the moment the recommended minimum spec is a GTX 970 from the point of view of enabling high enough fps. Realistically you'd want a GTX 980 at the moment. So if you can answer the question "will the higher end Pascal mobile GPUs be more powerful than the current GTX 970, or be comparable to GTX 980" then you have your answer ;-)
     
    XMG, May 14, 2016
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    Hmm I see, it's to avoid cases where the VR headset will use iGPU only due to improper Optimus configuration right?

    Interesting way of putting it; at least that made me focus on reading up the right data (which unfortunately is not readily available yet)
     
    darkarn, May 14, 2016
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    No, due to added delay optimus will not work at all with VR. It won't even start.
     
    Meaker@Sager, May 14, 2016
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    Whoa that bad? But come to think of it, maybe that's one of the reasons why there is no more 3D screen...
     
    darkarn, May 15, 2016
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    Well you need a direct connection to the GPU to do 3d glasses yes for synching to the glasses. You don't want two GPUs managing that.
     
    Meaker@Sager, May 15, 2016
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    I see, now I wonder if there will be a return to the "one GPU only" era to resolve this...
     
    darkarn, May 15, 2016
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    Our current higher end machines either have an optimus switch or don't have it at all. This allows the machine to equip a G-sync display.
     
    Meaker@Sager, May 15, 2016
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    woodzstack Alezka Computers , Official Clevo reseller.

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    also could technically allow 3D too. Wonder what is a better feature though, 3D at lower detail/higher FPS, or amazing detail at perfect FPS timing.
     
    woodzstack, May 15, 2016
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    For a lot of the machines a 1080p 120hz G-sync panel would be ideal :)
     
    Meaker@Sager, May 15, 2016
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    I see, so if the machine can be equipped with a G-sync display, am I right to say that with the right GPU, it can do VR too since the Optimus limitation do not exist?
     
    darkarn, May 16, 2016
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    I should be able to do VR on my laptop with 2x980m's SLI just don't have the money to buy a Rift or Vive :/ if anyone who is rich wants to donate one to me for testing I can confirm if this will work or not :) <3
     
    Brent R., May 16, 2016
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    These are two slightly different things. Internal G-Sync requires a direct signal link from the Nvidia dGPU to the internal panel. This exists naturally in non Optimus systems like the DM models. In other models, as Meaker said, you can bypass the Optimus system and therefore the Intel iGPU using the MUX switch (dGPU / MSHYBRID in BIOS or Control Center).

    External VR requires a direct connection from the Nvidia dGPU to the external video outputs. The DM series have always had this and so do the P*51, now the N150RF1-G (XMG A526) and N170RF1-G (XMG A726) also have this feature.

    With the right GPU is key, the refresh 965M isn't powerful enough for fluid VR even though the N1*5RF1-G output routing supports it - but that isn't as silly as it sounds because the chassis wasn't specifically given dGPU video outputs in order to run VR.
     
    XMG, May 16, 2016
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    Ok, so in other words, having the MUX switch is not enough; a direct connection from dGPU to the screen/video output is needed?
     
    darkarn, May 16, 2016
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    Yes, having a MUX is enough, when it's switched it's like a direct electrical connection. The only caveat XMG were pointing out was you can have this but if the GPU is not powerful enough to push the VR content then there is not much point anyway.
     
    Meaker@Sager, May 16, 2016
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    In august MSI release GT83S with dual desktop 1080 in SLI

    You can check it here:
     
    Doctor JO, Jun 2, 2016
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    um....u ARE aware that both these machines are based on 980 gpus, right? the guy talking in the video even explicitly lists the specs with the 980 ;)

    theres no word out yet for pascal gpus in mobile machines, earliest to look forward to for ANY release will be like september / october...
     
    jaybee83, Jun 2, 2016
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    yah I think its 980m, but then now you say 1080 and the guy in the video says Titan X....confusing
     
    Brent R., Jun 2, 2016
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    Of course is to early

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    clevo-extreme, Jun 2, 2016
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    Wait a Minute... what did you say about New Alienware 18 with 2x New Generation Nvidia GPU ;) maybe will be Release in next 5-6 weeks ;)

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    clevo-extreme, Jun 4, 2016
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    This is fake. P755? What is that one? Futureable Hybrid

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    clevo-extreme, Jun 5, 2016
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    i guess that was a typo, shouldve been P775 :)
     
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    hope it doesn't mean i'm pretty much fu**ed with my P77 1DM-G then :( but only time will tell.
     
    Scerate, Jun 5, 2016
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    nah, CEG already confirmed mxm modules compatible with sub-980 capable machines ;) staying optimistic here!

    Sent from my Huawei Mate 8 NXT-AL10
     
    jaybee83, Jun 5, 2016
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    Be careful now of what you call fake. Its as real as you get it.

    Also, shouldnt you know this, since you are a Clevo reseller? ;)
     
    Cloudfire, Jun 5, 2016
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    I check this my friend... dont panic on Titanic
     
    clevo-extreme, Jun 5, 2016
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    Fake or not it still does not give you all that much info.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jun 5, 2016
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    2048 cores @ 1500MHz+ (with turbo boost)
    8GB GDDR5 @ 2000MHz
    256bit

    All specs are there :)
     
    Cloudfire, Jun 5, 2016
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    Not a 755 but P775DM2-G

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    clevo-extreme, Jun 5, 2016
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    So it was a typo, you don't have to be rude about pointing it out.
     
    Ethrem, Jun 5, 2016
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    No no. Just in cannot find any Info about p755... and after this i read another topic, my fault. Sorry

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    Dont forget P750DM2 (15") and P650RS-G (15")

    [​IMG]
     
    Cloudfire, Jun 5, 2016
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    Yes, i know. I know every one which will be available and a little bit more

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    All the specs of what though? A retail card? An engineering sample? From when, how old is that card?

    You have no idea on the type of memory on it either.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jun 5, 2016
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    Doesnt matter a single bit. You are just trying to make up things that are totally unimportant for the sake of creating a discussion.

    Yes I do ;)
    Exactly 8 of them

    [​IMG]
     
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    Now where are you getting that from?
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jun 5, 2016
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    The merciful gods of the internet :p
     
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    Right so we know 8GHz GGDR5 exists and? 7Ghz GDDR5 has existed for a while too.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jun 6, 2016
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    Let Cloudfire enjoy the leaks! :)
    I know he's now been waiting for a loooong time for Pascal and finally something shows up as ODMs couldn't hold their breath and stretched their NDAs a bit...it's Cloudfire season and this time for real! :D
     
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    Haaaa the lust for new hardware, i can smell it from here!
     
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