Wishes and Expectations for Clevo [2017 Edition]

Whoa that bad? I thought more fans can help

 

They can, if implemented properly.

 

Well, I guess we can count on Clevo to make things right then?

 

Let me correct you

"Well, I guess we can't count on Clevo to make things right then?

Just look at how much of a fail their stock BIOS and EC can be sometimes!

 

Well, I was referring more to the hardware stuff

 

All I want is the Clevo equivalent of the Aorus X7 v6 .

 

Errr... P67xRS-G? I know it's not an 1080, but I doubt the Aorus can sustain an acceptable performance without throttle.

 

thinner bezel, sleeker machine, standard overclocking chips (6820HK)

 

Actually I wish someone would make a water fall cooling element, open air falling water - over a Japanese themed rock or lava fall.

It could run faster, more turbulent as the temperatures went up to get more cooling effects.

Maybe even use a chiller to cool the rocks / lava fall so the water would be chilled as brought back into the loop. Steam rising from the cooling water...

A nice "organically" integrated water fall generating soothing "white-noise".

Maybe with a Fogger



Maybe Clevo can make the laptop run air-cooled mobile, and waterfall cooled on the desktop at home, or the office.

 

The problem with that is it introduces impurities into the system and allows microbes to enter the system too.

 

Microbes as in bacteria?

 

Anything at all could get in like algae.

 

Yeah we dont need that growing in our laptops, won't end well at all!!

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The materials in that Reptile Habitat waterfall are treated to avoid algae growth

There are lots of variations: isolating the water that goes through the laptop in a sealed path, which runs through the "rock" / "lava" => "radiator", where the cooling is done indirectly by the "radiator".

It's more of an aesthetic upgrade to allow the external cooler to "blend in" to the environment, rather than have a more geeky solution - like the external dock from Asus.

You could also capture the heat from the laptop to use in other ways.

There are lots of fun possibilities once you let the options open up.

 

Unfortunetly the P67xRS does not have a proper screen, only FullHD. Aorus has QHD 120Hz display - that's a proper screen for a modern laptop, we are not in 2009 anymore. I simply refuse to downgrade from 1920x1200 to 1920x1080, hence why I have been holding on to my laptop for so long.

 

I'm almost sure you can upgrade to a QHD Sharp screen on the P67xRS. But it will probably cost a bit and you have to do it your self.
I don't know if any sellers have it.

 

Add more than 60hz to that. Panels need to at least be 100hz minimum.

 

You would need to make the waterfall airtight and then it might work.

 

I completely agree.

 

Since I am still rethinking if I should buy a laptop now or wait until something nice appears... is it weird to wish for an Clevo P650RS-G ish laptop with Ryzen CPU (assuming its as good as AMD says it is)?

 

You mean to say there is nothing nice available now?

I don't see Clevo outfitting anything with an AMD CPU anytime soon.

 

I guess I am still stuck at the stage of no compromises... I mean,
- GTX1070 is great but what's the use of it when screens are still stuck at 60hz?
- My university is still stuck somewhere between the ice age and stone age when it comes to wallplugs (let's forget the intranet/internet problems for now) so a laptop with ~4h battery is not something I can use.

Atleast the P650RS-G offers a huge amount of storage options, its one of the few I believe.

 

There's always this behemoth: 288 Wh rechargeable power pack. Even at load it would last you all day. Bit expensive, of course, but so are 5 replacement battery packs.

Spoiler: battery bank size

There's probably 28 or 35 Li-Ion cells inside, so ... pretty fancy. If there's only 18 then this is a terrible product; only way to reach that is to overcharge them with high voltages, increasing wear significantly.

 

The little converter on it limits it to 90W however so you do have to be a bit careful.

 

Yes, bit unfortunate about that puny adapter. There was no reason to use such a limited module, really:

Spoiler: cell configuration

Inquired and they're using 28 cells. So the only setup that makes sense with these numbers is 7 series of 4 parallels. Their '24V' claim is a bit weird; nominal voltage is 3.7V, so you'd get as much as 26V. It's possible they're not charging them fully, increasing lifespan (hurray!). Anyway, there's 2,800-3,000 mAh cells inside and each is easily good for 3A continuous draw. So this little gizmo could even output 288W for an hour if it weren't for the buck converter's limitation. Actually, provided all the wires are thick enough then even 480W is possible (@5A).

That's the thing about niche target audiences; DTR owners were clearly not on the radar when the product was being designed.

Could ask for a replacement DC-DC module and split the load between them, though. Or make a diy with an after-market buck converter (or two, for 380W). Would replace the tips then, too; pretty sure the supplied models will not suffice for these kinds of power.

 

You do have to be a little careful of really draining those cells rapidly.

 

As always, if you really need a laptop, just get one (i.e. buy based on your needs)

And no, nothing wrong with wishing for that

 

That's more for gaming only right? (I haven't seen any screen that is more than 60Hz)

 

Mostly it benefits people in gaming. Unfortunately, as most people do, I've also become so used to how smooth and accurate I can be just navigating on the desktop. Going back is a really miserable experience now and a deal breaker for any screen otherwise.

 

Hmm maybe I should get one too... But thing is, I will be most probably hooking it up to an external monitor that has 60Hz only. And I don't think I will be playing much on the laptop

 

Just wondering, will a faster refresh rate help in alleviating motion sickness too?

 

"Motion" sickness? Are you getting queasy when using your laptop? (I've never heard of refresh rates having any effect like that.) Or is it more like... eye strain, headaches, etc.?

 

All three of that during watching gameplay videos or playing FPSes (Strangely playing my iPad music games does not have such an effect)

 

@darkarn - That's terrible. Some screens produce a degree of PWM that really gets to people. I don't know if it's that or the refresh that's getting to you, honestly - or possibly something else entirely.

 

Does lowering brightness help any? Sometimes the screen output is just too much and you end up unconsciously squinting or having trouble focusing on the screen, which can result in all three. The iPad in particular has very good built in adaptive brightness that can prevent this.

 

I am not sure either; I am currently using a Viewsonic monitor. Both the monitor and the laptop screen have the same refresh rate

Not much I am afraid. The iPad and the monitor have similar brightness levels and I don't think the adaptive brightness of the iPad got activated during gameplay

Sidenote: In case this sounds familiar to some of you, yes, I have been mentioning this before in this thread: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...help-reduce-giddiness-during-gameplay.790534/ Just that at that point of time, I did not consider the monitor's effects

 

Can you adjust the screen's color temp down? That can reduce eyestrain and decrease headaches.

 

I can but I am concerned this may affect color accuracy as I will need to use non-sRGB mode to do this

 

It will definitely affect color accuracy, which won't kill a gaming experience but can negatively affect things like photography or video editing.

 

I am mostly doing photography, hence the concern. I just happen to be watching some gameplay videos just now when this happened, thus leading to this line of enquiry

 

Here's an overview of some things to consider, including said PWM phenomenon (please excuse the corny visual aids): http://www.eizo.com/library/basics/10_ways_to_address_eye_fatigue/

I've heard of PWM - or display flickering - producing eye strain and, consequently, headaches and even dizziness, but never queasiness/nausea.

 

I did what I can for most of these; I even managed to lower the brightness using Nvidia's controls

Also, I am using a Viewsonic VX2270-Smh-LED: http://www.viewsonic.com/us/vx2270smh-led.html. I don't think it has PWM

And I thought the visual aids look great haha

 

Disregard then, if that external screen helps I'd stick with doing work on that for the moment then, it's probably PWM as Prostar mentioned.

 

More like because the laptop monitor is not IPS and I need to use the monitor for my desktop PCs sometimes

Sounds like I need a new external monitor too...?

 

On a sidenote, keep a look out for Nvidia's CES event; there is a possibility that this can impact future GPU models on laptops:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/ces-2017.html

 

Motion sickness is very common in FPS games with low FOV (field of view), especially more when you are watching other people playing. I got this when playing Half Life, which has very limited FOV and high mouse sensibility. My solution is to reduce mouse sensibility and increase the FOV (try to find FOV cheat if the option not available in the game). I don't think it is a problem with the screen.

 

It sounds like this might be related to watching a FPS with a low frame rate and low FOW (field of view) which can cause motion sickness from a tunnel vision effect. If this is the cause, increasing both that should help dramatically.

 

The last time I tried, I needed at least 110 for FOV, but even then I can play at max 2 hours per session.

Hmm... Seeing that the maximum frame rate for watching is 60fps (Youtube's limitation), it looks like this can't be solved in a long while. I am not sure how it will look like when watching 60fps content in a monitor that is more than 60Hz

 

So long as the monitor's refresh rate is at integral multiples of 60, there won't be an issue. Say you're using a 240 Hz monitor but watching a 60 FPS video on YouTube. You'd simply see the same frame for four refreshes of the monitor, i.e. 1/60th of a second, instead of one refresh, i.e. 1/240th of a second.

The problem is always, as usual, when the refresh rate of the monitor and the framerate of the content aren't integral multiples/factors of each other... And that is where adaptive refresh rate technology comes in.

 

Yeah, I am seeing screens with 75Hz, not even sure how to use those due to what you mentioned. I wonder if adaptive refresh rate will help or hurt...