Wishes and Expectations for Clevo [2017 Edition]

Happy New Year Everyone!

Is there anything to look forward to on clevo laptops this coming CES Showcase 2017?

 

I don't think it's used for video content so it will depend on the original frame rate, 144hz for instance is great for 24FPS movies as it goes in perfectly.

Also happy new year everyone

 

Nvidia's opening talk will be one of them for sure; it can help project what they are planning for laptops as a whole

I am also hoping for Clevo to have their booths there, which would hopefully showcase newer chassis for their laptops at least

Hmm I am not sure what you mean by 144Hz being perfect for 24FPS stuff; something like no screen tearing?

And happy new year to all! Hope this year will be the year that brings you the Clevo you want!

 

No tearing or frame skipping (which can also be used to fix slight timing issues) as 6 x 24 = 144.

 

But that means for 60fps content, won't this 144hz screen have problems since 144 / 60 = 2.4?

 

120hz is always an option (my monitor has a quick change button)

 

Now I starting to see why people like 120Hz! If only laptop screens also have such buttons...

 

There is a light weigh 3rd party app (which name eludes me right) that let's you switch profiles using hot keys

 

Wow really, sounds good! But first thing I will need is an IPS screen with 120Hz, which is somewhat not in the market yet...

 

Looking at the picture NVIDIA just shared, the Clevo P640 will contain a GTX1050-Ti... But I don't think this was what you/we are looking forward to XD

http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1050-laptops?__prclt=aG2sgPRG

 

Few NEW models added to the line-up

http://clevo.com/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=907&lang=en

 

So there is no difference between the P650RS-G/P651RS-G and the P650HS-G/651HS-G except for the change of CPU (CPU: http://ark.intel.com/nl/compare/88967,97185,93336)? If that is really the case... Is it better to buy the older version to save some €'s (resellers will lower its price right ) or... should I go with the newer version which has a CPU that's only a tiny bit faster?

 

@L00K3R4 - Slightly faster clock speed, native support for DDR4 - PC2400, and a new chipset. Not really worth "upgrading" if you already own something with a 5th or 6th gen mobile series chip.

 

None of the socketed laptops are being renewed this time

Worrying.

 

The refresh for the DM2/DM3 models is only 4 to 5 months old. If Clevo is true to form, I wouldn't expect too much news on this front yet.

 

Fair enough I guess, let's hope for at least news that their BIOS will be updated to accept Kaby Lake CPUs

 

Looks like there is movement on that already - http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...7700k-on-the-p870-model.800000/#post-10424891. It might be a big assumption on my part, but if Sager is doing it, then most likely other Clevo based vendors will as well.

 

Thanks, that's better than nothing I guess

 

Indeed, it is comming from Clevo so everyone should be able to offer it

 

I was really hoping Clevo would add Thunderbolt to that model, so the fact it's the same is a real disappointment to me.

Anybody know when Sager will start selling the new models?

 

Slight off-topic: http://www.pcgamer.com/asus-rog-swi...source=facebook&utm_campaign=buffer_pcgamerfb

Whoa, IPS and 144Hz. I can really consider this (and am wondering if the same can be done for laptop screens)

 

I suspect this will happen only once Cannonlake happens, based on reports that Intel is trying to integrate Thunderbolt into their CPU

 

The bigger models should have TB capability though, if that's an important part of your decision making process.

 

Some new models up on RJTech
Looks to be around $40 more for the P650HG.

 

Based on my correspondence with Aftershock and seeing how things will be for Ryzen and Kaby Lake, looks like expecting Windows 7/8 support for future Clevo models is a bit too much

 

This is correct, I don't see any brand supporting W7/8 going forward with these CPUs, Clevo included.

 

Looks like it's time to move on eh

 

Yep. Like it or not, W7 is dead to new hardware, if you still want it, legacy hardware will keep it alive long enough to get processed and systems moved over, but at the end of the day it's not a good solution for a new machine.

 

Now I wonder how do I exactly do this transition with my current machine. I can already see one of my external devices failing to work in Windows 10

 

The entire P600R/H series (P640RF included) already use the Alpine Ridge TB3 capable controllers to deliver the USB 3.1 Type C ports.

What they lack is the DisplayPort traces from a GPU to fully certify them. They would need to re-route one of the existing mini-DP ports -> Alpine Ridge instead, then re-jig the chassis so that port was blanked out.

As far as I've seen, this is why you'll only find TB3 capable machines with only 2x dedicated output ports instead of 3 that Clevos have (as one is reserved for TB3).

 

Sorry, I don't get it in the following ways:

1. Is TB3 provided via a separate chipset just like how USB 3.0 was provided before Ivy Bridge (e.g. my NP8170 does this via a Renasas chip)?
2. I see all Clevos having only 1 HDMI and 2 mini-DP ports, not sure how you got the 3 output ports. And even then, does this mean that Clevo machines cannot utilise TB3 eGPUs unlike other brands?

 

Exactly. TB3 currently is deployed via the Alpine Ridge chipset. It primarily connects back to the PCH with 4x PCIE lanes. The USB3.1 functionality is drawn from that bandwidth and appears as a separate controller. Beyond that it also needs a Displayport connection wired in.

That's 3 ports. They're all individual outputs from the dGPU which only has 4 in total (eDP/internal counts as 1). The larger P700 machines have DP1 muxed to the TB3 controller.

As far as eGPU that's only dependant on the PCIE lanes. It doesn't use the DP output portion at all.

 

Hmm. So the Alpine Ridge, which is an Intel chipset, is a separate entity that takes up 4 PCIe lanes *and* a DP connector? And thus, Cannonlake, assuming that the baking in is successful, will have TB3 built in and therefore not need Alpine Ridge anymore?

 

That's it more or less.

If it gets baked in with further revisions, it'll likely be integrated into the PCH. The other possibility is that Intel moves to a full SoC approach (CPU + PCH integrated on a single chip) at the same time which significantly streamlines PCIE lane configurations and removes bottlenecks like DMI (current a problem with NVME drives and eGPU breaking out). For reference, the Atom/CoreM/Core-i-ULV are all SoC now. They're also somewhat successful with Xeon M server skews.

 

Thanks, I see. It looks like the road to a proper eGPU is gonna be long and hard...

 

I worry they're going to just be proprietary by brand or even model/generation, making them mostly useless, and then manufacturers will wonder why they don't sell.

 

Now that would be really bad.

A self-defeating prophecy

 

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/55984/nvidia-geforce-gtx-3080-volta-gpu-gddr6-hbm2-support/index.html

Looks like we will be getting Pascal Refresh at most in 2017.

Maybe 2018 is the more interesting year?

 

Yeah, I think even Nvidia's old roadmaps looked that way, as it's shown Volta being 2018 for a while, IIRC.

 

What are people's thoughts about if (and when) we are likely to see Clevo add a 1080P or 1440P 120Hz panel option to the P670HS-G model?

 

No doubts: It would be a nice option. Alas, no news about such a panel arriving just yet.

 

Better hurry, I am starting to eye this little thing: https://us.msi.com/Laptop/GS73VR-STEALTH-PRO-4k-7th-Gen-GTX-1060.html#hero-specification

 

There is not exactly a lot of pressure in the market at the moment.

 

Looks like it's all up to AMD now to give that pressure

 

We'll see. I'd like some decent competition in the market for sure.

 

I miss them keeping Intel up at night. AMD has struggled quite a bit after they missed their stride, and it's getting harder and harder to envision them being again what they were.

 

Yeah, intel was big enough to afford going to sleep for a few years design wise, AMD really was not.

 

Intel with having so much clout in the market and being so tremendously rich I do not see any long-lasting competition from AMD...IMO that is…

 

Yeah guys, Intel is getting too little competition for our own good!

I too miss those days where ATI also went up against Nvidia head to head

 

With Ryzen coming as fast as next month, keep a look out for changes that can impact here