X7200 Pre-sale price is here!

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hmm, reminds me of the first gen Alienware M17x

 

my biggest concern now is the design of the machine because my last clevo w870cu
was a deception poor design,no battery life ,no backlit keyboard the only thing i like of it was the cooling
i don't mind to pay $900 if i am going to be happy with the machine
at this point i know we not going to get battery life but at least the x7200 don't looks to plain

 

The build quality is fantastic, any you're right about not having fantastic battery life due to the components packed in the X7200. However, I can't say I'm 100% sure but as far as I know there are no plans for it to have a backlit keyboard.

 

Yeah, I think the x7200 is the best looking desktop CPU system Clevo has ever made to date.

 

i really hope that the screen already 120hz... any chances on this?

 

How about a keyboard with pointing stick like the thinkpads?

 

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Does mention something about a 120hz dispay (although it doesn't say anything about its resolution and its not really mentioned on the official spec sheet). The last sentence of the post (originally published by Terrnasforce) suggest that there is at least one more feature which has not been revealed yet.

 

Second that! Track Point + Anti glare 120hz RGB LED screen + backlit keyboard and I'm getting the Behemoth!

 

^^^^The Vantage and 3DMark scores are going to be much higher than what they posted...but we have to wait and see.

 

The only option I see happening this year is the 120hz LED screens. We can be hopeful though...

 

Because of drivers?

 

Yes drivers and skillfully overclocking by the pro's here on the forum. Even I can do a little...

 

Too bad they didn't offer an AMD version of the x7200 with an 890FX chipset and 5870's to go along side the X58 version. Not only would it save us some cash, it would be pretty sweet to have a solid and very affordable 6 core CPU that runs cool and can Be OC'ed a lot while at the same time being undervolted, also with the possibility to drop a Bulldozer CPU in it down the line it would be a win for us consumers. Although I could easily see an 890FX model hurting X58 sales quite a bit, but still it would be nice to have that option.

 

^^ Would be great, though it's unlikely to happen, IMO.

 

1)Are all the drive slots 12.5 mm capable?
2)Will it get crossfire radeon 5870?
3)3*1Tb wdd in raid(provided all 3 slots are 12.5 mm capable), will it be faster than a ssd?

 

What i know for sure is that it will be available with 5870 cf.

 

That's good news. 480 SLI is gonna be wickedly expensive. 5870 Crossfire is gonna be second best gpu notebook solution for now, and with far lower TDP and PRICE.

Any reviews yet on 5870 Crossfire in any laptop ?
I'm curious how it compares to gtx 285 sli and 480m single

 

1) Yes, all drive slots can fit 12.5mm hard drives
2) It's very possible, but it's up to the individual distributor (Sager, Pro-Star, Eurocom) as to whether or not they'll actually include it.
3) Even in RAID, standard hard drives can not match the speeds of SSDs.

 

I tried a WD 1TB hdd and I was dissapointed of the performance with the small files. While I got 60-70 MB/s peak speed when copying small files, it was really slow when working with small files. I had windows 7 installed on it and it was really slow and everytime i was copying something from it it was making to work really slow. I would not reccomend the 1TB hdd for anything else then bakc-ups.

Edit: It gets also very hot.
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Aren't there any reviews for a 5870 crossfire gpu solution ?
I know there must be some people here with alienwares 5870 crossfire. I'm curious to how would it scale and how is the overall performance.

Because i'm begining to imagine core it 930, crossfire 5870 (maybe for the price of a gtx 480m - and surely the crossfire is the better choice), 6gb ram, etc

This should fit for a decent price.

Currently eurocom offers the x8100 with the new mobile line up of core i7, the x40qm, and radeon 5870 xfire, and the prices for the crossfire solution were more than acceptable. The only thing missing in the x8100 compared to the x7200 are the usb 3.0 and the 12.5mm hdd slots, which shouldnt be an issue if ssds are used.

The advantage of the x7200 is that it supports more ram, and for the low price of the 930 you get better performance than the 940qm, correct me if i'm wrong here.
And maybe, just maybe, we see that rgb led on the x7200. I'd like to have a nice screen if i'm gonna pay a ton of cash on the pc.

Besides, future upgrade-ability is better with the x7200 (24gb of ram, and maybe 8 core cpu, but i doubt we will see 8 core cpu on lga 1366)
I'm curious of the prices of the 3rd gen intel ssd which are due later this year.

 

There are plenty of benchmarks for the 5870 Xfire in the Alienware section... There is a whole thread dedicated to just performance so there should be plenty of info in there for you...

 

Browsing the alienware forums for perfoance on the crossfire 5870 (still found any so far) i've seen lots of people having problems with their billion dollar alienware machine.
This is unacceptable from such a high reputable firm such as alienware, and looking on these forums here i see no such problems.

The x7200 starts to look more beautifull every day.
I hope none of the problems encountered there are gonna apear here.

I think clevo retailers know their stuff.

 

We like to think we're of a higher order

 

There has been issues since day one with the M17x R1 and R2 with both Nvidia Cards and ATI cards ...

You dont see any problems with Clevo machines and Xfire or SLI because why ? there are no machines currently using the newest tech in any of these machines lol....

The X8100 had its share of problems and still does which used the 280s in SLI and then the 285s so dont be so quick to pass judgment ....

I have owned the W870CU with the 5870 and it was a nice machine and my current Alienware M15x has 0 problems but both are single card machines...

I also owned an M17x R1 with 280 SLI and then an M17x R2 with 4870s in it and both had issues mainly because dual card machines just have problems period....

So until Clevo releases its flagship X7200 machine and it is deemed problem free i would not say its clearly the winner ....

As for Alienware being Billion dollar machines lol ?.. Have you seen how much the X7200 is going to cost haha ?... Well lets just say its going to be beyond expensive ...

 

^^ Totally agree.
In most cases with similar configs of AW and Clevo systems:

* AW will cost slightly less and have faster support. I especially like Dell's service and support because of the next business day in-home service. In addition, they always allow you to fix your own system (and you should never let tech guys touch your system!) without voiding the warranty.

* Both will have issues but Dell will pay more attention to those. (My R1 was replaced with R2 for free. Now Dell is replacing it again for a newer config, just because I have a very peculiar CF issue that their engineers are very interested in examining closely )

 

Billion dollar machine as in everybody heard of alienware compared to how many ppl heard of clevo, and damn, when you but the laptop, it's not even branded as clevo hahaha

I hope a "decent" config won't be that expensive (930, 6gb ram, double 5870).
Judging by the prices of the x8100 sold by eurocom with dual 5870, i'm having hopes. (Looking at something beneath 2500 euros).

Still, only time will tell.

 

Eurocom is pretty expensive. For the price of their x8100 with 5870CF, I can get an M17X with 5870CF, RGB LED screen (and that's a huge difference), better CPU and more RAM.
Other Clevo resellers can offer better pricing.

 

I know alienware delivers to shambala, but i'm in romania and my only option here is to command from alienware uk, and their prices are pretty expensive.
Besides the rgb screen which is an advantage, i am not confident the cooling of the m17x is ablte to handle dual 5870, but hey, maybe they got past this, and i am not up to date with this info. Do you know if that laptop support switchable graphics ? (with the gpu in the cpu ?)

The only reason one would order from eurocom, is their 95W xeon hexacores and 24gb ram.
In the end, i might order from kobalt or cizmo, whoever is cheaper, but they are not offering so far the 5870 crossfire and the new quads in any of their laptops, so i was looking on eurocom, just to get the glimpse of the price.

If i'm gonna get me a laptop i want dx11, and there are 4 solutions for that, 5870, 480, 5870x2, 480x2, in this order of performance.
Seeing as how 5870x2 is cheaper than 480m and much faster, you can see it is the clear choice.

 

The D900f is also a good option if you are not planing to use an external display of 29 inch to play games, but then you woill be better with a desktop pc.

 

Be careful with Eurocom. If others do not offer the 5870's - there's a reason. You might end-up with many issues and no support.
Also, that company is also well known for false advertising.
Research more before buying from them.

 

Thanks for the info, i don't think i'm gonna buy from them, i was just looking up to see prices. In the end, since i'm in europe i'll buy from either kobalt or cizmo.

Been looking up for performance on the crossfire 5870, and i've seen a score of 22.335 with a core i7 920xm with 3dmark 2006.

Hopefully a core i7 930 (i hope it is more powerfull than a 920 or 940xm)(i do know it's cheaper) with a crossfire solution will get closer to 25k. And this is for the price of a 480m, i think even lower.

I know for a fact the 480m togther with a core i7 980x score 18700 in 3dmark 2006.
The facts are these, you pay less and you get 25k score, 6300 more points. Heck, some laptops don't even score the difference )

And i think dual 5870 have a tdp of 120 130, not 200 of the 480 sli.
I do want to see how the 480 sli would perform, i think on a core i7 980x it scores close 30k in 3dmark 2006.
That's insane, and so is the consumption

Do u know if the 930 i7 is faster than the 920xm/940xm cpus ?
I think it is, but i wanna hear your opinions.

Of topic: Do you live in Shambala ? If the answer is yes, how do you have internet there

 

Yes, I don't think there will be many at all that will offer the XF ATi option for this beast of beasts. IMO...

 

@bytales, desktop i7 definitely much more faster/better performance then the mobile version, even the lowest end 930 still beat the 920/940xm, not to mention is cheaper and you could use for your desktop if you plan to upgrade to higher processor.

drawback, the tdp are much more higher and the machine housing it definitely heavier.

 

25k will be impossible with a 930 and MR5870CF, unless CPU OC'ing will be unlocked in the Clevo system.
Remember, the 22.3k score was achieved on a AW laptop with a heavy OC both CPU and GPU's. I'm guessing a 20-22k at best, with GPU OC'ing. Stock will be near 19k, IMHO.

Side note answer:
Shabhala is reached through meditation, far better communication system than Internet

 

Just a note to remember. The x7200 is reported from various sources to weigh 11.6lbs. This is lighter than the Alienware M17x which uses the mobile CPU's.

 

Yes, it is lighter as it should be considering plastic (X7200) vs anodized aluminum (M17X). Both are behemoths: 5.5kg vs 6kg.

 

Or by working with its yantra.
Anyways, i never knew that score was obtained with overclocked hardware. I will use the laptops in stock settings, cause it uses lots of power as it is, it being a 130 tdp cpu.

If what you say its true, then if it gets past 20k with stock settings, i should be gratefull.

 

ALso you should be aware that the extreme processor can not be overclocked (the multiplier is locked). In fact there is no possibility overclock the processor.

P

 

How much money do you guys think a basic config would be ?
930 cpu, 6gb ram, single radeon 5870, cheapest hdd, one hdd, and rgb led screen ?
It can't be that much, can't it ?
Best to get a basic config and upgrade it later. If the second radeon won't increase the price that much, i'll add it in the "basic" config.

One of the best things about the x7200 is expandability. You can add oh so much more later when you have the dough.

 

I don't think there will be an RGB LED screen.
Your basic config (with a regular screen) would be around 3k $ in North America, slightly more expensive than a similarly configured D900F.

 

Oh crap ! Let's hope you are wrong !

 

We will know when it comes out, but I would expect it to be more expensive for the D900F, even when the configuration is the same. It is newer and you can add an extra card plus the increased bays for the hdd.

P

 

Just wait until it comes out and i hope that the resellers besides Eurocom will offer RGBLED, this machine looks better everyday!! The 480s are going to be quite cool.

 

Quad is correct. Unless you must have bleeding edge tech you might want to wait on the SLI/XF solution. I owned the 5870XF M17x for about a month before returning it. The performance was dumb'ed down (lower voltage/crappy drivers) in order to make it work correctly. I wouldn't call a dual GPU system the "clear choice" until it's performance/stability is proven. Benchmarks from a site or two is not proof of that. Only ownership over time.

 

I thought that that was the case. Maybe ati will work on drivers, we still have a month maybe 2, before we see anyone with their hands on their x7200

 

What happens if you get the x7200 with only one video card ? Can't something else be used in that space ? Or that space is build esspecialy for the second video card ?

 

You could use it for a second video card but not in SLI. For instance you could buy the laptopt with a MR5870 and then add a 260M in the second slot as a physX accelerator.

 

I heard this is only possibile in windows 7. You would need to install both drivers for ati and for nvidia ?

By the way, why isn't ati giving user no physics, i thought open cl would be bringing that on ati cards or something, or i might be wrong. Anways, how much is a 260m these days ? Are we talking aboutthe GTX variant?

Isn't a gtx 260m way to powerfull for only physics ?
Is there a benefit from having a GPU like 260m handling only physics compared to say the same GPU doing video and physics, from the physics point of view ?
I've heard, or at least i think, even a modest card like 9600GT is more enough for physics, i am asking because i want to know what are the benefits to using such a powerfull card doing only physics.

 

You are right, you don't need a very powerful card for physX, a GTS 335M would suffice, but I don't know if the system would support the card. I was just giving the 260M as an example and also because it should be supported by the system BIOS. For instance you can get a GTS 250M for 250 euro from here: MXM 3.0 Cards Store or a 285M for 400 USD from here Clevo Laptop Parts :: D900F - R&J Technology, Clevo Barebone Notebook kits, Laptop and desktop system builder.

When you run physX on the same card as the video, the moment physx kicks in the fps will usually drop significantly. A dedicated card would solve this problem. As ATI can no longer support PhysX, having a cheap Nvidia card will allow you to enjoy physx in those games that have it implemented.