upcoming clevo laptops with skylake-X (HEDT)

They code for fewer cores because most consumer systems have fewer cores. I agree they should be utilizing all four cores more often, but unless Skylake-X gets a $500 price point and is widely adopted you're not going to see devs bothering with trying to utilize more outside an enterprise environment.

 

i agree with 99% of software out there, including old ones that I still use, only take advantage of just 1 core, not to mention theres still the new extension can be used and coded into software. MS really need to somewhat drop legacy support, but its also made them widely more popular than APPLE OS.

zen 8 core is gonna be around $350.. to compete with intel so we might see some price drop on that..

 

The problem is Sager doesn't have any heart for innovation and creativity, and doesn't care about customers. Sager guy said the Xeon failed mightily, I have been using Xeon E5-2697V2 with Eurocom laptop since purchased from Eurocom three years ago, never had any problems.

Obviously, the Sager guy in previous post know nothing about gaming trending or the power of many CPU cores. On the other hand, Eurocom truly cares about customers, and leading the trend in desktop replacement laptops. Eurocom always have most flexible options on their laptop choices. I hope Eurocom can come up something truly amazing next year.

 

Actually they care about profits. And the 10 people on this forum that want to buy a laptop with Xeon are not enough to justify the investment in R&D and aftersales support. Desktop Xeons in laptops are more or a less a publicity stun.

 

I doubt legacy support is going anywhere unfortunately, though I absolutely agree with you that it should go away at some point.

 

Skylake-X Kaby Lake-X(112W TDP) + LGA 2066 could be a compromise for a new P870DM4/5 or a new similar Clevo model next fall!! And Clevo could finally skipped of the 91/95W version 4 core i7 for their best performing laptops. But 6-8 or 10 core's i7 would be the prefered

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/skylake-x-will-be-launched-at-gamescom-2017.html



http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20161208PD201.html?mod=3&q=INTEL

 

Am I misreading? That says Skylake-X is still 140W with all those cores. Kaby Lake - X quad cores are 112W.

 

Sorry. Typo

 

So do you mean you want the 112W quad cores in the Clevo? I'm interested to see what those will do performance wise, I'd be surprised if it was a big per core clockspeed improvement.

 

A brand new i7 X processor with slightly higher TDP than what is usual for a 4 core i7, is preferable. This means better cooling in laptops. + I want to get rid of Intel graphics from the chips IGPU taking up unnecessary space on the silicon

 

Haha that's true on the desktop cpu Clevo's at least. Battery life already sucks anyway.

 

profit is definitely what companies are after, although xeon line didn't do well (as well all know xeon cost way too much and most of the 2*** version you cant overclock) which is why this time around, clevo can simply go after HEDT or skylake-X version which allows up to 10 cores and overclockable.

besides, xeon starting from skylake will be a different socket than their HEDT CPU, this is another intel's way forcing people to purchase server motherboard with server chipset rather than HEDT chipset.

TDP from intel's end has always been like this, 112W will probably clocked higher but im sure even with original haswell CPU which is at 84w TDP if you really wanted to, benching with avx2 you can draw out most power from it close to 150+ watt easily.


@Papusan and for those who wanted traditional quads and iGP in their laptop. starting skylake, both xeon and skylake-X will include iGP in their chip, or so what i heard from rumor. on the other hand, for people who wanted traditional quads can go for kabylake-X which limits to just 4 cores as shown in the picture papusan posted. while the remaining ones who wanted more than 4 cores can simply go for skylakeX, they share same chipset and socket so it is 100% compatible and thats from intel.

OEMs no longer need to separate high end quads kaby-X and skylake-X if they worry about profit and loss of revenue, as people who wanted quad can go for kabylake-X and upgrade down the line if they wish to. clevo needs to know this.

and iGP, its a great way to save power and disable dGP when running on power outages..

 

What do you mean TDP has always been like that? Almost positive that hasn't been a thing for at least the last 5 years. If you meant they can draw more than 90W or there tdp, yeah I am well aware.

 

yea thats what i meant, they can always draw way more than listed. the TDP intel listed is more for the clock they set for their chip when not overclocked i guess.

 

Of course, I meant listing it at that strength is new, and means it will most likely draw a solid amount more than a 90W cpu at stock.

 

The max TDP Intel listed is meant for base clock speed under normal max usage and not heavier Avx2 instructions. As well Not intended for Turbo boost Clock for 4 cores.

 

The clock listings are much less important than the TDP for the higher end chips at stock for heavy loads yes.

 

speed shift v2 and turbo boost 3.0 with 6 to 10 cores man, we can use that intel software to see which core is the best quality and clock highest for single threaded workload.

 

heh heres a thing about turbo 3.0 i could find but pretty amazing that u could just turbo one core and it actually works. http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2016/05/31/intel-core-i7-6950x-broadwell-e-review/2

 

That will definitely help since most apps are still single core/thread

 

the guy boosted a single core at 4.6. so multiplier would look like, 40 40 40 40 46 40 40 40 40 for example, thats pretty sweet.

 

lol im hoping im not one of the fews want to see this happen right? help submit idea to eurocom LGA brothers

 

Hopefully some other branded laptop manufactures would see the huge potential on the real performance laptop. This is a quite large untapped niche market, maybe we, as customers, should start a crowdfunding to release our own Skylake-X based laptop Nowadays this is rather very possible.

 

I understand the whole gamer mentality - they want the latest and greatest GPUs, and high CPU core counts score a distant second on their wish lists (most likely because few games take advantage of multiple cores). But I am on the other side of the spectrum - and I realize, no doubt in the minority by a wide margin - in that a decent GPU is fine for me, but raw CPU power is a priority.

I like what the Eurocom rep stated a few pages back re: a Skylake-X I7/Xeon laptop being available later this year (although I'm not sure what a Skylake-X Xeon is/will be...while I do have an idea of what Skylake-EP will offer in the way of Xeon processors). However, after having been spoiled for almost a year now with my 12 core Xeon 2696v2 in my P570WM, if a 10 core Skylake-X can't at least match the processing power that I now possess (and even after taking into consideration the extra goodies that the new platform will offer over my current X79), nothing short of a an LGA 3647 laptop will do...and sadly, I sincerely doubt we will ever see one of those.

 

i agree with you on pure cpu performance, i am one of those looking for decent GPU and great CPU power however having two GTX 1080 or 2080 wouldn't hurt at all.

on the other hand, skylake-X (previous EP) is LGA 2066 and skylake-Xeon is LGA 3647 they will not be compatible. that said, skylake-X xeon is a 10 core chip that allows overclocking, even at a frequency of 4ghz it'll blow your current xeon away in terms of performance even with less than 2 cores, i mean skylake by default core per core its around 15-20% faster than ivy and ontop of able to clock at a much high frequency by easily 20-25%.

 

Thanks for the clarification, ole!!!...but I am still a little confused. I can't seem to find any info on Skylake-X Xeons (LGA 2066 Xeons, that is). With LGA 2011, the desktop Ivy Bridge - E processors ran at higher frequencies than their Xeon counterparts, but topped-out at 6 cores, while the Xeons went to 12 cores. From what I've been able to dig-up, Skylake-X (LGA 2066) will be the HEDT processors, up to 10 cores, and Skylake-EP (LGA 3647) will be the Xeon processors, up to 28 cores. I can't find any info on LGA 2066 Xeons at all, nevermind them having more, but lower-clocked, cores than their HEDT counterparts. So in the end, when the Eurocom rep stated that Skylake Xeons will be supported in one of their upcoming models, I'm not sure what those Xeons are...and I doubt they will be LGA 3647...although I would love to be wrong on that.

If you can point me to any info on the LGA 2066 Xeons, please do...because I've started to save up for the new Eurocom rig (because I'm sure it will cost a bundle...but hopefully not nearly as much as the BGA-crippled, non-upgradeable Predator 21X, which starts @ $9000 USD!!), and I'd like to start thinking about possible configurations.

 

I think eurocom made that statement assumed that xeons and EP CPUs are still the same socket however intel this time around made sure they are two different socket. heres LGA 2066 skylake and kabylake EP CPUs now called X. http://wccftech.com/intel-skylake-x-kaby-lake-x-platform-launch-2017/

xeons for enterprise starting skylake-X will be LGA3647 which is hugee. just having a 10 core skylake-X in a laptop would blow everything away on the market in sheer cpu power, pair that up with a giant display or multi display it'll be only win.

 

It will pretty much be a desktop, yes. I would hardly call that a laptop.

 

That's what "DTR"s are all about, my friend! Ever since I got my Sager 9860 DTR over a decade ago (and despite the trials and tribulations it caused me), I'l never go back to having a mobile CPU in my main laptop. Seems that most serious gamers won't settle for mobile GPUs anymore; similarly, mobile CPUs don't "do it for me" anymore (nor, similarly, do 4 core desktop CPUs in a mobile platform).

Sometimes I think that a step "backward" (though with a better implementation) in CPU interface design would be a great idea (i.e. perhaps along the lines of the old AMD Slot A/Intel Slot 1-2 designs...perhaps something like the Xeon Phi coprocessors)...especially if it could be implemented for use in a DTR (i.e. look at that mileage we've gotten out of MXM 3.0 in re: laptop GPUs). Also, I love how MSI and Alienware have developed external GPU boxes for use with some laptops. Now if only a similar appliance could be developed for those who want the option of using a more powerful CPU...

 

You made my day as well! With the Acer Predator 21 incher coming out along with a few other large screen notebooks (ex. Razors Project Valerie using 3x17 inch screens) I really hope you make a 20+ inch 4k notebook with detachable screen/tablet, using Wacoms MobileStudio16 pen tech in it. Am a fine artist with a background in animation so that would be perfect. Could come back home reattach it to the notebook base and play games with real keys, trackpad or mouse. The one challenge I'd think would be battery life. But with some nice targeted marketing I'd think you'd hit so many markets at once with it. Artists, media content creators/viewers, business people, medical community etc. The people who bought the HP HDX Dragon 20 inch notebook like myself have been waiting for a worthy successor and so far there has been nothing. Been hoping that would change.

 

Reminds me of the negative comments people made when I was asking companies in the comment sections to make a 5 inch smartphone after the Archos 5 came out in 2009 if I recall. I used to get blasted for it, people laughing saying that's a brick, you'd be holding a book next to your face etc. Now virtually all of them have 5+ inch smartphones.

 

Ha! Yes, I remember looking at something remotely similar a few years back, though in a "lunchbox" form factor....something similar to this: http://www.bsicomputer.com/products/fieldgo-m3-1739. Dual CPU capable...SLI capable...Thunderbolt capable...etc...etc...

It brought me back to my very first computer, a portable "luncbox" i486DX with a single black & white LCD screen. I remember how excited I was when I upgraded the RAM to 4 megabytes for around $250...!! But I digress...

Valerie/Predator 21X are awesome concepts as far as screen real estate is concerned...but they still leave me wanting more in the CPU department. However, it is this spirit of innovation...pushing the limits... that I want to see. Many talk about the "bottom line" for computer manufacturers, but I doubt that the $9K 21X will attract many customers, and Acer had the b@lls to develop it and bring it to market. As long as a computer company has other models for those so-called "average" buyers, there's ample opportunity for their respective R&Ds to let their imaginations run wild.

EDIT: This is what I saw back in 2011: https://www.engadget.com/2011/06/07/ssis-rugged-spark-s9t-brings-trial-screen-computing-to-power-hu/

 

Only that big heavy laptop looking machines are nothing new, there have been around for more than a decade being abandoned and revived several times. Thing is, once you pass a certain size, you are probably better off with a desktop. Not that there is no market for these things, it's just that the few enthusiasts on this forum and mind you, this forum tends to attract enthusiasts more than anything else, are not a big enough market for such an expensive machine.


If companies do release such machines is purely for marketing purposes, sort of like Razer's 3 screen laptop.

 

i'd think a lot of people would grab that razer 3 displays, cause you can use it with just 1 too and expand to 3 when u need them. looks pretty sleep, too bad its all internal soldered hardware just like everything else once something breaks that laptop is pretty much dead. this is why gotta use slidenjoy to up the displays.

as for acer21x, they dont expect to sell much and i honestly dont think anyone would buy it at all given the price tag. surely eurocom/clevo can make something big too doesnt have to be mechanical keyboard, just a large display with top end hardware, target at 6-7k, lots more would go after it, i myself would for sure.

blacky are you not interested in giant notebooks? acer21x appeals to me, just with the wrong hardware

 

Not really. I love 17 inch notebooks, the larger screen helps with my work. On the other hand having to carry that thing around everyday from home to office and back... I used to have a M17x R2 which was about 0.6 kg more than my current Clevo and after a few trips I started to notice the weight difference.
I really don't want to go above 4.5 KG including that ridiculous heavy power brick. That's another thing people forget to factor it, the power adapter which can really add to the total weight. For me the P670 is perfect, wish the CPU was replaceable , wish the GPU was MXM, wish it had a QHD screen at 120Hz. If they release a version with QHD / 4K display I will probably buy it, but refrain from investing too heavily in it.

For home I have my water-cooled machine 5820K at 4.5 GHz with a 1080 GTX waiting now for the GPU watercooling kit as well. I think I invested over 1000 euro in the watercooling solution of my desktop. It's all custom so that no matter what new things come, I can use the same watercooling solution for them.
I mean let's face it, if I am on the road at best I will play some MOBA games, rarely will I play something really demanding, like say Witcher 3. But at home, on a Saturday evening, yeah I will fire my favourite game on my 55 inch LCD TV and enjoy a nice session of Witcher. To get a similar experience I would need to burry, yes burry, a lot more money into a laptop which wouldn't really give me the same portability and usability for my work. I say burry because laptops are no longer upgradable as they used to, we no longer have desktop replcements, it's all 100% soldered machine, like a smartphone or tablet.

Sure, the P775 is a desktop replacement, but at what costs in portability? It's about 5Kg with the powerbrick if not a bit more. Not to mention that the MXM standard has been thrown out the window with the new 1080.

 

It's all really just a case of "to each his own"...and it's all about the sacrifices one is willing to make. While slinging around some heft means nothing to me, sacrificing my money in BGA/soldered/non-upgradeable CPUs/GPUs/systems is a deal breaker. Thin and light is nice and all that, if all I wanted is a throw-away Internet appliance and/or if I had an infinite income stream. I like to hold on to my systems for a long time - upgrade them - and get the most out of them. Flip-flopping from one system to another every time the latest piece of tech comes along is not for me, especially once I get a system purring like a kitten after untold hours of tweaking and tinkering.

 

@Blacky maybe the thinner BGA laptops are the places you should go, for example the new alienware thin and light and decent power. as for me I agree with @zdroj this kind of weight means very little and i'd choose bulk/horse power over weight anyday, assuming its not absurd (by my own preference and definition).

zdroj brought up a very good point, learning a system, tweaking it and know it's problem etc, installing OS and drivers etc all those take time and i'd rather just get to know a powerful laptop that lasts.

 

That's why Clevo has the two ranges, everyone has different requirements so there can't be one machine to rule them all.

 

surely this time around they can go for HEDT CPU. kabylake-X is quad core and same socket as skylake-X which is up to 10 cores. they dont need different builds and worry people wont get 8-10 core cpu cause quads there too.

 

Unfortunately this is partially true. My M570TU is still light enough to carry around, used to get 2 hours of battery life and I tweaked and upgraded the hell out of it. This system is 8 years old! One would except that in 8 years things would improve not degrade. I hate the BGA stuff and I am not buying anything else than Clevo or MSI, everything else is a joke. But I simply can't hold on to my M570TU forever, the chassis is cracking again and there are no more parts available anywhere!

 

+rep And the MSI machine must be the barbone version, otherwise just junk as all the other MSI Jokebook's!!

 

a sounding decision!! can't stand soldered nonsense. these OEM want to sell those warranty so bad which is fine if they do it properly. i remembered back when it was good to purchase warranty with m18xr1/r2 and still have the option to upgrade yourself etc, however now its kinda forced with all this BGA bogus, not to mention most don't even sell parts to consumer anymore, clearly trying to kill off a generation notebook within a year and forces a new upgrade with brand new purchase

 

Now most new gaming laptops from CES 2017 allow overclock in many ways, CPU speed can be easily adjusted to very high frequency. Clevo's advantage is losing, plus other manufactures produces much better looking and slim forms of gaming laptops, I just wonder when Clevo's will become a history, without innovation it should be not long. Unless Clevo truly commits itself to produce real performance laptops like P570WM ...

 

I hope that never happens. Hopefully people will realize those "overclocking" system are mostly just recovering back to "stock" settings on a properly cooled system, and the overall performance is certainly never near the larger systems.

I see super slim 1080 systems that perform about like proper 1070 ones do. Also 1080 sli systems that cost 20% more but give 20% less performance, and are larger too with less features. Where is the thinking in that? I am not as much against BGA systems as some are here, but I can't believe people would pay so much more for so much less. They should at least cost less even with being smaller (or worst case about the same, exchanging more performance for smaller size equally).

 

Whaaaa??? Clevo offers both slim and component based systems. So, they're reselling to multiple markets. But IMO, it is the component based laptops where Clevo really shines. Can't wait for the rumored *-X CPUs ( > 4 core CPUs ) to be formally announced in the upcoming months. Wondering if this will be a Clevo based system.

Does 'slim form' equate to BGA 'limptops' ? There's no advantage of BGA design no matter how slim or how sleek. It has been proven these BGA machines over heat at the drop of a hat and the components are binned to be of lower quality. The numbers that are already out don't lie. It will be interesting to see if limptops can get 4.5GHz on air or 5.2+ GHz and beyond on A/C. Some Clevo owners are already doing this with the i7-7700.

Speaking of which, has anyone with an i7-6700H* limptop upgraded their CPU yet? Oh, wait. You can't unless you purchase a whole new mobo too. The owners of component laptops from Clevo and MSI are already upgrading to the i7-7700K.

Clevo history??? I've been familiar with Clevo for just about 20 years. The laptop / computer market will probably dry up before Clevo disappears.

 

You can't see how someone might need as slim and portable machine as possible?

 

In the gamut of the enthusiast/gamer/power user market, I mostly agree. BGA works well in implementations like tablets, hybrid notebooks, and entry level laptops─ even if it is nice to have a relatively slim profile with something touting an i7 and dedicated graphics.

 

Pleas forgive the generality of my post. In case it wasn't clear, my statements were in comparison of BGA against a DTR type computer. As I took this as the comparison presented by johnjames.

Now if someone needs something for light work, browsing, word processing, (general computing device) or for answering a phone call or posting to FB or NBR, yes BGA has its place.

 

well said man, sadly that has become the trend lately and soon it'll be the norm. a year ago we pay full unlocked chip with 580, nowadays we paid for a tier 3 chip while being throttle down by firmware/ vbios in BGA slim form factor and yet people are paying more, silly consumers only doom themselves.

the 4+ cores definitely attractive here but i personally find that at a minimum 8 core machine, with lots of cache and quad memory channel benefits a lot of the stuff i do, for professional work load. also another big one with skylake-x is turbo boost 3.0 we can boost 1 core upwards 5+ ghz that would be amazing, i have so many legacy software that only uses 1 core and its getting slow.

when will skylake-x be out btw? mid or q3 2017? if so then hopefully we'll see one with skyalke-x by end of this yr? @Meaker@Sager @Eurocom Support

 

Unless the major importer (other than just Eurocom) start pushing for it and/or the community starts a very successful petition to show their interest, there will be no Skylake-X made by Clevo...

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...unge-phoenix-3-0.800081/page-14#post-10434004