upcoming clevo laptops with skylake-X (HEDT)

im guessing its petition time?

 

@Prema @jaybee83 @ole!!!

Yes! I thought there was another post similar to this Eurocom post that says something along these lines, but was a little more optimistic it was going to get done. I guess time will tell.

 

@Prostar Computer @XMG @Donald@HIDevolution @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER @Mr. Fox there are other re-sellers out there, we gonna need help and ask for clevo to push this. who are the other resellers anyone knows?

 

I'm sure there are more, but off the top of my head, here are ones I've seen and you haven't mentioned (in no particular order)... Note, I'm including Sager resellers too:

RJTech, AVA Direct, Eurocom, Xotic PC, LPC-Digital, Mythlogic, Obsidian PC, clevo-extreme, Hyperbook, mySN, Dream Machines, PC Specialist, System 76...


You could also comb thru this thread - http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-resellers-in-the-european-union-v1.652403/

 

why is it that i dont see the ones ive listed here on that page? maybe cause its north american resellers?

 

XMG should be there. I think they're out of Germany. (not certain about that).

In regards to the others, yes... Prostar, HIDEvolution, and IBuy Power to my knowledge are all in North America.

 

@Prema and @Meaker@Sager,

After thinking about this a bit, shouldn't Clevo already have an idea if this would be successful in laptop form? I know the market then isn't equal to the market now, but wouldn't their production numbers for P570WM (Sager NP9570) or the P570WM3 give them some indication on actual demand for a laptop like this?

 

Clevo told Eurocom that no other re-seller is requesting a Skylake-X system.

 

Yes it did.

 

I take that to mean that while they have the data, Clevo feels there is currently no perceived market for a laptop like this - that is until they hear more demands for a laptop of this design from the resellers.

Is that an accurate assessment?

 

They would need a lot of noise, especially as noise does not turn into sales quite often.

 

have you let sagers know to contact clevo my good friend meaker

 

@Eurocom Support

btw, I can't really tell what Clevo is consider doing, changing this to a system that can host 6-10cores wouldnt be that much of a change tbh. and honestly if clevo is afraid people won't buy more than 4 cores then theres nothing to worry about. having skylake-X is 6-10, kabylake-X is 4 cores which is same socket as skylake-x, so I dont understand why they are afraid of people not buying them, i mean they ARE making a quad core system right now and it's selling.. by not giving option they would limit potential buyers.

can Eurocom please point this out to clevo?

 

Honestly, I imagine it's already come up, but unless more people seem interested I doubt it will make a difference.

 

so skylake-X will first be released as skylake-K what??

http://wccftech.com/intel-skylake-x-kaby-lake-x-core-i7-august-2017-launch/

 

Looks all "x" to me in that article.

 

Even if they do, it's just the marketing name, unlikely to mean anything about the CPUs themselves.

 

have you guys noticed how the supposedly HEDT CPU only comes with 13 MB of L3 Cache? maybe these are the K and X would have more?

 

The article did mention the cache system was modified, perhaps it's now more efficient?

 

It could also be a yields thing with the larger dies on 14nm.

 

if you ask me, this X series looks more like another in between step rather than the actual successor of broadwell-E. so its like: mainstream (kaby lake) - high performance (X-series skylake, kaby lake) - extreme (broadwell-e thus far, but more to follow)

 

The cache sizes would agree with that statement, though it's possible that they're just use it better.

 

we can only hope, but with what @Eurocom Support stated recently, hope look slim..

@Tanner@XoticPC perhaps xotic would also submit idea with skylake-x in a laptop to clevo/sagers, that way it would be more impacting than just 1 reseller asking.

 

Already talking to the folks upstairs about it.

 

I still need convincing of the niche that it serves, as cool an engineering feat as it is then who is it really serving and are there enough of those people practically?

 

If you build it they will come.

 

Except last time they did not, at least not in America. Europe and Asia were more up for it but the USA did not seem to have the appetite for such a beast and it's a major market.

Everyone already voted with their wallets and that's hard evidence to go against.

 

your points is valid but refer to my original post. back then ivy-E was 1.5 years late and it was nearly end of Haswell, pretty pointless to get old technology, cpu playing the catch up game knowing per core your CPU loses out about 6-8% performance, and that broadwell would be out in another few months which widens that gap even more along with a new chipset.

now its different. Even though skylake is about 1 yr and 2 months old, it's IPC per core versus latest gen kabylake is +/- 1%, no performance difference, ontop of that its got turbo boost 3.0 which helps with single threaded software. this is the first time extreme CPU edition has something new that mainstream doesn't other than just having more cores. chipset wise its pretty much the same as z270 tbh i dont see any catch up to do really, not even the storage area or dmi 3.0, maybe IGP but no one really cares about that sort of stuff. finally, we got coffeelake in mid 2018 is nothing but an optimization so performance will be exactly the same as kaby/skyalake, this would be the best time to make an skylake-x machine imho.

they can offer kabylake-X which is 4 core, if people are worried then just get 4 cores, dont know why there are people negative about it, a regular 4 core kabylake-X dont isnt much different than p870dm1/2/3 and 870dm looks pretty successful to me, this machine maybe a bit bigger due to cooling needed but it can be amazing.

i agree with @Tanner@XoticPC , once made people will be there and flock, given that laptop are increasing in size again.

@Meaker@Sager if you do somewhat agree with the above points then assist making this a reality donno what sagers would think of it though and how they are different from other resellers of clevo.

 

@Meaker@Sager, when you run across the occasional post from someone who says they do software development, run virtual machines, or CAD work... There's your market for a reasonably priced, hex or octo CPU based baddie.

 

Almost all re-seller cater towards gamer. To quote Eurocom "gamer form our smallest customer base".
And THEY sold the P570WM like hot-cake...

 

Yeah but they want a 10 core CPU a GTX 960m for Monitor output.

For those tasks being a generation or two behind but having twice the number of cores is an easy trade to make, it would not have made a difference to those people.

 

since i personally prefer cpu power house, you're right on the first point, i wouldnt mind a 960m but i'd prefer two 1080m in sli instead because i also play a lot of games and have needs for them on those vram.

on the 2nd note, generation or two behind was the reason that killed it for me, as i was anticipating haswellE to come soon + dmi 3.0, along with more than just 2 sata 6gbps ports, 64gb ram etc etc. im sure there are others like me as well.

besides, look at the trend now gx700 and gx800, those laptop with huge water cooling block, laptop themselves are huge. not to mention gt80s and gt83, also acer 21x. big laptops are being made, clevo shouldnt shy away from it.

 

Thank you all for the great discussion. This thread is the most important of the year. Clevo can do P570WM, surely they can do it again with Skylake-X, let's hope the best

 

Maybe in a different design, though. I haaate servicing the P570WM.

 

Covering the ram slot was a shame but otherwise I never found it too bad

 

We've got a few in for RMA right now, one of them getting a motherboard replacement. All those screws...

 

True, once you start taking more of the internal parts it really starts getting bitty.

 

yea i took a look at the video pretty annoying. prostar did you let clevo know we lookin for skylake-X in next gen flagship?

 

Skylake-X? Shoot, I thought y'all wanted more BGA...

 

well now there has been some changes, still unknown at this point but looks like ryzen shaped to be a well competitor. Intel up HEDT skylake-x to 12 cores.. http://wccftech.com/intel-12-core-24-thread-skylake-x-cpu/

could live with that, 12 cores clocked at 4ghz, with turbo boost 3.0 1 core running at 5.2-5.5 ghz. only thing now is clevo might not even bother making it.

 

Hopefully intel can now up their mainstream platform at least and break the 20x CPU lanes and 4 core ceiling at some point.

 

have you let sagers know we wanted HEDT lineup again? i have asked this question b4 right?

 

A beefed up mainstream platform makes that even less likely and that's what competition will do.

 

coffeelake will be out for 6c/6t i believe, or possibly 12t but only comes with dual channel which imho its simply retarded, intel is holding back quite a bit and only thing got going for us isnt reseller asking clevo to do HEDT platform in laptops again, its ryzen with 8c/16t pushing intel to offer those higher end cpu at lower cost.

 

Considering how little using dual channel ram impacts the performance of the x99 I would say saving the cost of a larger socket and more expensive motherboards makes sense.

 

the correct thing to say should be, the software we use taking little advantage of quad channel ram, or even dual ranked ram.

 

If the memory bandwidth can keep the cores fed then that's the main usage, it's down to the balance to that. There is no point in wasting it just for the sake of using it.

 

welp this is it, only 3-4 months until skylake-x and kabylake-x comes out. if clevo is gonna make a laptop with one of these in it then it'll be by end of this year or early next yr. if anybody hears anything pls do update

 

From AMD's competitor New Basin Falls HEDT Intel Desktop Platform will arrive faster than expected - Guru3d.com

 

they were saying between computex in june or gamscon in august. originally intel planned to release it in computex almost always for HEDT cpu so i dont know if ryzen really making intel to release it sooner. we can only cross our fingers and hope @Eurocom Support and other resellers put out their request for us and its enough to see a change.

if still nada, then 870km here i come