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    upcoming clevo laptops with skylake-X (HEDT)

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by ole!!!, Nov 17, 2016.

  1. Meaker@Sager

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    You can't react that quickly really in the silicon world. It will take some sustained pressure to get Intel to change their tune.
     
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    The nearest you will come Intel 300 series chipsets to integrate USB 3.1 Gen 2 and Gigabit WIFI - Guru3d.com You're welcome:vbbiggrin:

    As expected... BGA Trash will also come with 6C-12T as I have seen before.


    "Intel 300 series desktop processor motherboard will be based on the current LGA 1151 socket. Earlier rumours stated that the 300 Series chipset's Coffee Lake-S processor will provide 6 Cores 12 threaded CPUS, which is Intel's first in the mainstream platform to enhance the number of processors and threads."
     
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    Got to love AMD sometimes :)
     
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    I'm hoping right with you. There have been a number of requests for something like this that I've seen.
     
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    yep that will come with 6c-12t with crappy silicon capped at 3.3 ghz LOLOL
     
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    Or the trilling "high end" 45W 6c/12t BGA = Processor Base Frequency around 2.5 and Max Turbo Frequency at 3.0GHz? If Intel is nice maybe 3.1GHz ? :vbthumbsup: Bokmark it :oops:
     
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    There are rumours of 32 core server parts from AMD so intel would have to react to that for the work station market.
     
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    And here I am playing around with my new 6900K . My 5820K kicked the bucket. First time I've seen a defective CPU.
     
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    12c skylake-x if comes in a laptop, u gotta ditch that broadwell-E. new chipset itself is worth the upgrade as long as paired up more than 4c
     
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    No it's not. I have a 5820K before and I rarely managed to take it beyond 60% in whatever tasks I do. The 6900K will probably be good for 5 years at least.
     
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    guess you not using it much. on the other hand broadwell-E above has turbo 3.0 have u try it out yet? overclock just 1 core to 5.5ghz
     
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    https://wccftech.com/intel-coffee-lake-desktop-6-core-4-core-cpu-leaked/
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    Are Intel Coffee Lake Processors Compatible With LGA 1151 Socket and 200-Series PCH?
    This also brings us to the next interesting detail we are getting from this listing. The specific 6 core Coffee Lake part was tested on the Kaby Lake-S client system. Kaby Lake-S platform means that the chip was ran off a 200-series PCH based motherboard. If true, Coffee Lake would retain compatibility not only with the LGA 1151 socket but also currently available motherboards."
     
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    That's pretty good.
     
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    Considering the life of the 2700K I would guess a long life is still on the cards.
     
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    intel would just bump down the i3/i5/i7 from 2c/4t, 4c/4t and 4c/8t to 4c/4t 6c/6t and 6c/12t? or will they do that PLUS increase price?
     
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    6-Core/12-Thread will probably exist as an extra skew on top of the regular 4c/8t i7. That way they preserve all variants with HT since it's built-in to the core design anyway.

    Alternatively, it could be thrown in under the Xeon name so it doesn't directly compete with their own X99 gear in the desktop space.
     
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    sicily428 Donuts!! :)

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    The full physical core certainly has 32 cores on it, though I could imagine the yields on that being pretty nightmareish.
     
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    2066 or 3647...or BUST!
     
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    With a 3647 socket it would take up most of the system with just the socket lol.
     
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    You're right. Clevo has forgotten how to think "big" anymore. Perhaps we best leave something like this to ACER! ;)
     
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    Still thinking big but a focus on more of the GPU than CPU as that's typically more important.
     
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    And you think Acer's engineers will put in LGA? Bigger screen-chassis doesn't give you more powa :vbbiggrin:
     
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    I like the Max Zorin reference, kudos on that if that was your intention! ( )

    As for whether or not Acer will "put in LGA", all I know is this: the Predator 21X is a profoundly innovative concept on numerous fronts (21 inch screen @ 120Hz, Cherry MX switches with the flippable mouse pad/num pad; Tobii eye tracking, 5 storage drives, five fans/nine heatpipes, 6 speakers, etc.) that also incorporates some top-end features that the cogniscenti have come to expect (like dual 1080 GPUs and power supplies, 64GB RAM, USB 3.1, DisplayPort, G-Sync). So while I loathe its BGA processor, soldered GPUs and ridiculously overpriced cost of admission, fact is the 21X is one heluva impressive (and BIG) example of innovation.

    What innovations is Clevo offering? 17.3 inch screens? So does nearly everyone else. Desktop LGA processors? Well, not so innovative, really, for although they are the only ones currently offering such options in a conventional laptop chassis, my Sager 9860 from 2005 had a desktop processor in it...i.e. sitting on one's laurels isn't my definition of "innovative". Upgradeable GPUs? Again, not so innovative - and again, that was possible in 2005. Three screens in a conventional laptop chassis? Oops! That's looking like Razer, not Clevo.

    Clevo DID offer laptops comprised of upgradeable desktop processors exceeding 4 cores and/or server processors with up to 12 cores AND with dual upgradeable GPUs, but not anymore - a step backward IMHO. Should another company...Acer...Alienware...MSI...offer a desktop/server GPU laptop, what would Clevo have that no one else offers then? The Tornado F5 may be a harbinger of things to come.

    So c'mon, Clevo...get off the stick and be truly innovative again, will ya already?
     
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    Acer made an impressive machine but a with that price and size definitely should not have disposable hardware inside fit for thin and light machines. No amount of novelty innovations can fix that.
    With Clevo, I'm less concerned about innovation. They already have the right ingredients in my books, they really need to up their game with fit and finish and QC control.
     
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    We can change it the other way.
    Yeah, Rather say what others don't have... Aka not all bigger laptops from other brands 17.3 inches have - Dual psu, Optane support, max 4 ssd slots(even one of the 4 with 1/2 size), no fully socket hardware, max 2 ram slots, less usb pots, single ethernet. Yeah, Aka less innovative products than Clevo!! And I have seen a lot of notebook Trash. Just hit up my posts.
     
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    Y'all missing the point. Dual PSU = nothing new (at least 5 years old). Max 4 SSD slots = nothing new (heck, we've been using CD bay caddys for years on top of three dedicated bays). No fully socketed hardware = nothing new. My 9860 had that, from 2005. Max 2 ram slots = compare apples to apples, please. There are MANY notebooks out there that have more than 2 ram slots (like my Dell M6600). Multiple ethernet ports = Great...but c'mon...THAT is the great Clevo innovation, even if they did it first, and I'm not sure that they did? Dell was the first to put Thunderbolt in a laptop...that was more innovative than duplicating an existing technology/port. Putting alot of this great tech in one package - THAT is the great innovation? Maybe it was when it was first done, but not so much anymore.

    I won't even mention Optane...innovative for sure...but I'm sure there will be more hopping on that emerging bandwagon.

    Nope, not much new from Clevo here...even if they did innovate a lot of this stuff, we're talking ancient history here for the most part (in computer years). I have a Clevo computer from 2005 with a 1200 resolution screen - 1080 was a step backward. My wife has a computer with a 19 inch screen, and 18.4 inch screens were one of the big attractions for Alienware users, along with non-socketed processors and slotted graphics cards...so what's so innovative about 17.3? In all, if just one company (re)designs one of their models with a desktop/server cpu, and they already have dual slotted CPUs, what's so great about Clevo then?

    And let's not forget that my 9860 is a paperweight due to then-known overheating issues - which seems to be a recurring issue for Clevo. Maybe they should innovate some cooling designs.

    I'm not hating on Clevo, I'm just being objective - something Clevo fanboys (and resellers) probably can't be. I am not an Acer fanboy in the slightest (heck, I only have Dells and Clevos myself) - and as I stated, I loathe soldered parts - but to say that the 21X is not impressively innovative is to deny the obvious. If that laptop had been released with a quad core desktop processor and slotted graphics, we wouldn't be having this conversation, because the fact is that quad core desktop processors and slotted graphics cards are nothing new. To say that Clevo is not the daring innovation leader it once was is just a fact, based on the evidence. Clevo has been playing it safe compared to how they used to be.

    They need to WAKE UP!
     
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    Clevo is a little static :)
    I think that a laptop with an oled display could be a beautiful idea
    They could make also a minipc like zotac magnus and in that case they could use gtx1060/1070/1080 mxm cards for increasing mxm production numbers and for decreasing costs
    http://www.ndtv.com/video/tech/news/zotac-zbox-magnus-en1060-compact-gaming-pc-review-448639


    Next clevo p950hr is a very good idea imo. It could have a max-q gpu like acer triton
    and also clevo p955 with quadros gpu
     
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    looks like i have found someone similar, well most of us targeting similar aspect of hardware in general anyway (enthusiasts) but yes i agree. acer laptop is great, if only internal could be swapped out for socketed hardware, clevo on the other hand could be more daring go for bigger display and higher end hardware, back to their HEDT line up from few yrs back.

    i'd dream about this everyday then if i do own a laptop like this with HEDT CPU skylakeX then i'd wake up from dream and continue to day dream.
     
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    Seems pretty limp wristed to me honestly from intel. No where close to what they could offer.
     
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    what do u mean
     
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    They could do better on the core count anyway and you can still only get up to 4 of the latest core according to that article.

    Sounds like the usual yawn festival from intel.
     
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    well that has always been the case but thats why we overclock past that right? besides thats only looking at the default clocks..

    skylake-x comes with a few new features that previous HEDT doesn't have, such as phase shift v2, turbo max 3.0. especially the turbo max 3.0 1 core boost is really amazing which even mainstream cpu doesn't have. its been a long time to finally see HEDT offer something mainstream doesnt have other than just new extension, as its always been behind by at least 1-1.5 yrs in terms of technology.

    this time around, skylake-x also included with cache rework, that means with less L3 cache but MUCH MORE L2 cache, same as how AMD's new ryzen took approach so skylake-x is a real power chip, this new design by AMD is the only reason AMD is able to compete with intel in the first place, much more advanced L2/L1 cache design. i am eager for it's review, but just hoping clevo can really make one with x299.
     
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    wait, wat? coffee lake based on LGA1151? compatible with kbl chipsets? seriously? just got myself this sweet 7700k! damn it...

    Sent from my HUAWEI NXT-AL10 using Tapatalk
     
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    Yeah, mainstream chips go 6 core :)
     
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    Running a i7-7700K on P751DM? Is that with with some @Prema magic?
    OT, how's PhD going along?
     
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    If only I had thousands of euros to throw around. Right now everything is going into noteb.com .
     
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    @Prema magic indeed ;) its still beta so a few quirks and kinks to iron out, but its definitely stable for everyday usage :) god how i missed tweaking! :D
    as for my PhD: the doc is in the house baby :cool:

    ah well, CFL wont be with us until Q1 2018 i just saw, so thats fine by me. one more gen to upgrade to! provided @Prema can help out :)
    i knew about CFL before, just thought that intel would be changing the socket and not stick to 1151 one more time!

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    in terms of ipc its great, quite up there with skylake/kabylake, but the silicon is first gen and it still uses dmi 2.0 and x99 older chipset, so ssd support isnt as good and cpu can't clock as high. i am just nit picking in those two area so if its me i'd switch.


    it was Q1 2018 but was changed to september of this yr but even then we'll prob only see it in a machine few months later, wont be right away for sure.
     
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    It's just living on a prayer... ;)


     
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    are you attending computex this yr? just like you did last yr?
     
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    ewww intel milk to the max

     
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    Intel is not engaged in charity :vbbiggrin:
     
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    well gotta see how clevo respond now with this "new" socket and coffeelake.
     
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    im rather curious as to how @Prema will respond to that "updated" v2 socket :D

    Sent from my HUAWEI NXT-AL10 using Tapatalk
     
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    Intel usually change a couple of pin allocations.
     
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    this is why we need skylake-x in laptop. turbo boost max 3.0 comes at minimum 8 core, so an 8 core cpu we will have this feature.. http://wccftech.com/intel-core-x-skylake-x-cpus-turbo-boost-max-tech-18-core-7980xe/


    wahhh http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Skyla...Kerne-bestaetigt-und-nicht-verloetet-1228994/ HEDT no more soldering?
     
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