[Liquid Metal & Traditional Paste] - Clevo P775DM2/3(-G)/P75xDM2(-G) (Sager NP9152/NP9172)

Hey guys. I'll be pulling apart my laptop again to check the condition of the GC Extreme. Will update you guys on my issue with the spillover on the substrate. If it is spilling over do you guys think that using the spreader will help with this issue?

Edit: My issue with the spillover is on the CPU. My GPU is doing fine the last time i took off the heatsink. Tried using the method of using a bit more paste on the CPU, a straight line down on the die. Massive spillover. Tried a little less, same issue

 

Use IC Diamond for your CPU. Draw a thin line and mount the heatsink on it, screwing it tight. Unmount it and look if it spreaded likewise on CPU and heatsink. If yes clean it up - let the TIM soak up the Isopropyl or Arctic Cleaner Kit for a few minutes, then you're good to go with cleaning - then reapply.

Should be fine then with no overspill....

 

My experience with IC Diamond was the same a few months ago. Though i did put a little more than just a thin line so i would think that i messed up in that department. But thanks for the advice. I'll be getting some Articlean pretty soon.

 

Edit: My bad, sorry! You're sporting the 6700k, right? In this case you have to use the cross method to cover the entire IHS.

You get a good impression over here:



For IHS the cross method is the only way to go, all others sux balz, especially pea pea method....
For GPU's you can use the line method.

 

Remember the edges of the IHS are not really involved with thermal transfer.

 

Hm, that maybe! But I simply prefer getting the work properly done AND it doesn't hurt, if the IHS is fully covered.

 

And scratch your die in the process.

 

I'm using and referring to my laptop's 4710MQ CPU. Thats the one i am having a bit of trouble with. My main rig's 6700K is doing fine with Gelid GC Extreme

 

Though if you are careful and do slightly it makes no difference to thermal transfer or operation.

 

people with slight ocd will be displeased



edit: I know icd is used to compensate for uneven heatsink since it's so thick

 

True, but for OCD and even some non OCD people, it just brings about that feeling of scratching up your brand new paint job on your new car. It's just unsettling, but with scratching aside, I would never recommend ICD to anyone when there are superior options.

IMO I think ICD is an scapegoat to compensate for the tolerances/gaps due to it being a thick paste, which is the reason why companies likely use it. That's just my theory and I don't condone it. I'd want a different sponsor...perhaps a liquid metal company.

To each his own.

 

Well it's not going to exactly be on display

 

Was going to correct you, should be "scapegoat"

Apparently "escape goat" may be a thing

Escape Goat

“…winner of the Best Game I’ve Seen In A While Award”
-Rock, Paper, Shotgun

http://www.magicaltimebean.com/escape-goat/

Or, not... Escape Goat

"A slang used by idiots who do not realize the term is scapegoat

Somehow, this slang is becoming popular and I'm hearing it more and more.

Please, stop the ignorance.
"I felt like the escape goat!!"
"You mean scapegoat, you dimwit!""

by The Queen Of Chodes January 02, 2005
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Escape Goat

 

Correct, it can be. However, there's more...

Escapegoat
A goat used to escape a hostile or dangerous situation. (ie...Resellers trying to escape from ridiculous high temperatures with using inferior paste.) Has no connection to "Scapegoat" whatsoever. (Irrelevant, as it depends on the context and what it is making reference to.) The Escapegoat is usually ridden on its back by the escapee. (Resellers taking advantage of the thicker paste to compensate for the lame tolerances. Lack of quality control.) They run very fast and uncontrollably. (Yes the heat rises very fast and uncontrollably.) A sub-category of the Goat species. (ICD is a sub category of a goat specie to me and a lot of others.)

99.99% of the people who have read what was written on my post above would get the point, however, it can go both ways...

Also, I speak 3.5 languages, but that's beside the point and is irrelevant to all of this, but I thought I'd put that out there just in case you had thought English was my first language. Nope, it's not.

Just be thankful we don't have uneducated folks on here who's English is indeed their first language and writes like this, "wuts up wit my tempz? i put lotz of paste n den put the heat sink bak on but it still hot."

Here are more references:

"Escape goat" was said on-air in 2002 by UK Big Brother reality show contestant Jade Goody. Scorned by millions, usage picked up, and now it's widely said, by some knowingly aware of the joke, but others unknowingly. The mistake vaguely makes sense because people looking for a " scapegoat" are trying to "escape" blame. (<-- Keyword and phrase: Trying to escape blame.)

Perhaps why it's common these days...

 

So i have a -100mv undervolt on my 4710MQ pasted with GC Extreme and surprise surprise, Black Ops 3 pushed it to 98 celsius....and consistently levelled out in the high 90s.... On the bright side my GPU is doing just fine with a +75 core and 110 men overclock

 

I noticed that @hidevolution uses CLLU on CPU and ICD on the GPU. Perhaps to save costs, or would there be another reason? Note that this is for the Clevi P650RS.

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A bigger chance that the Laptop owner will screw up(If they re-paste), if Liquid ultra is used on Gpu die. + Liquid ultra makes a bigger difference in lowering max temperature on processors. Aka Cool the processors is a bigger problem than graphics.

 

I think I see what you mean. I looked at the P650RS "service manual" (which is an overstatement - it shows you how to install RAM, HD and M.2 modules...but at least it shows you how to take the thing apart) and it looks like both heat sinks are combined in a single module. Getting both heat sinks to align exactly seems quite difficult to say the least! (ETA for my laptop is Tuesday - woot!)

 

Heatpipes tend to have a little give which helps, it's the solid copper plates you have to be careful of.

 

One day I may be dating enough to try my own pasting - but perhaps not until my warranty runs out

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If you are not confident in opening up the thing while it is covered then fair enough, no need to force yourself.

 

Well I would check with HID first - they probably would be happy if I could do some service remotely.

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I have grizzly kyronaut, can I simply not spread it like we did in old days instead of using the cross method and pushing the heat sink down?

 

Did you seal the IHS off? What did you use?

 

I did mean to say that can cause air bubbles and impact cooling badly.

 

Hey guys. I have a question after watching a review of two aorus laptops; the X7v6 and the DT. This is gonna go off topic from the whole thermal compound thing but bear with me as its related to cooling.

So i noticed that in Dave2D's vid on he X7v6 (1070), i saw that the heatpipes are soldered on top of the heatsink fin array. Then i watched Gentech's X7 DT (1080) vid and saw that the heatpipes go through the heatfin array where it dissipates heat to the heatfins and is actively cooled by the fan at the same time while in the V6 (1070) only the heatfins are being actively cooled with the heatpipes being on top of the fin array rather than going through the fin array like on the DT. What are your thoughts on this?


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Hi all, I'm gathering the gusto to delid for the first time.
Not just that, but also get the best temp drop by using LM instead of my trusty old Gelid. I read that you can put it between the die and IHS as well? Isn't there anything that can short under there?

As it's kinda important to get it right the first time around, how much of a drop do I use on a naked core? Just one in the middle and have it spread right one way and overflow on the long sides a bit?

A helping hand/pointers would be greatly appreciated.
(I'm gunning for Grizzly)

 

Hey man. Hope you dont mind me hopping on your post. Gonna try my hand at delliding an old pentium in an old machine i had lying aroumd

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Careful, some of the older chips are soldered.

 

I think you mean the IHS is soldered to the carrier, right?

 

Yes, there are no high performance soldered CPUs with lids AFAIK.

 

Thanks for the heads up! It wouldn't exactly be a lost for me exactly but its good to know that the possibility exists. Strange that the older chips would have their IHS soldered on. The chip that i want to try to delid is a Pentium E5700 on the LGA 775 socket. Gonna be trying to run Liquid Pro on the die which is the only liquid metal compound i have available to me right now and Kryonaut on the IHS.

 

I think that one will be ok, they used to only use solder originally but soldering decreases yields and is expensive.

 

For anyone venturing to delidding for the first time, @Mr. Fox just posted a nice tear down video on the MSI forums for his review of the 16L13. I've never done this myself but with that caveat in mind I found the video quite helpful and of course very well done.

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You do probably want to use a tool to be safe like the above too.

 

Absolutely. That delidding tool is full proof. So worth it for the money.

 

I have a possibly very n00b question: when delidding a laptop CPU, do you always put the IHS back on? I can imagine you might need a really good heat sink if you don't put it back on...

 

Yes. The LGA mounting bracket applies pressure via the retention tabs on the IHS. The missing Z height would also be a problem.

 

Do you typically use LM between IHS and heatsink as well? Or is it better to use ICD or something else? Hmm... I guess maybe that depends on how good the heatsink is?

 

Yes

 

Correct. Even if your heatsink is a poor fit, you can often fix it with an appropriately sized copper shim.

 

That is correct, even without the last part.

 

Whenever possible use Liquid Ultra both places. I only used a non-metal paste in the video because I am going to be dismantling this machine repeatedly for a while. Since making the video I have had the heat sinks off twice. Once I am done with that I will be using Liquid Ultra between the IHS and heat sink, and on the GPU. As mentioned, when the heat sink fit is sloppy, using a shim can be helpful.

 

Depends on your definition. Mine was it could drive a titan-x at full pelt at 1440p and give the same experience as any other.

 

Oh cool video.

@Mr. Fox everything you said in that video, that one should not do with liquid metal... I did lol, with Grizzly Conductonaut - CPU nor GPU is dead, except for 3 failed boots because of Conduct. outside of the GPU die.

Here is for my laptop not dying!! It is standing at a 30 degree angle on my U3 atm, oh lord

 

So it shorted and then you cleaned it up?

 

Precisely. 3 times to be exact.

 

You are very lucky then Phew.

 

I had a heart attack once it happened late at night, I think I used way too much Conduct. - cleaned it microscopically using a magnifying glass and a toothpic to lift off the dots one by one. 3 times!

I slept horribly that night, especially since I had to take it apart twice the next day.

But.. for now it works, the temps are 10-15 degrees lower and I am happy no issues as of yet

 

I assume that 10-15 degrees lower max temp, was worth the mess + your heart attack